Larry Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 Our Gov. Fletcher was, he had a similar scandal during his re-election bid that ended up outing him at the ballot box. I have trouble believing that that was the only reason. But I'll take your word for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 Actually, it's not that simple. When we elect a Governor of a state, we understand that the person is going to need to put his people in key spots to implement the new Governor's agenda. It is that simple. If you are hiring to fill senior management positions you treat it like any other vacancy and hire based on some measure of competence. The legislature shouldn't get to vote on hires either but the recruitment process should at least provide some checks and balances on the Governor's preferences, and ensure that the appointee has the basic skills and experience required of the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 I understand cronyism and the need to reward donors, but geez... shouldn't they have some experience of some sort in the job their being appointed to? This reminds one of the Ron Brown hiring. And yes, this is par for the course in politics, but it is ALWAYS icky. (It's even worse when he makes it a point to pick on teachers and other public employees for making too much and draining the public coffers.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRSmith Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 I guess that is true. Nevertheless, while I think Scott Walker is horrible in many, many ways, I still think that you don't prove it by showing that he made a single lame political appointment. All politicians do that from time to time. Now when you do it so much that it becomes the norm (George W. Bush's Liberty University Justice Department springs to mind) then it becomes a real problem. But this one case by Scott Walker doesn't show me much. This is not the only case there have been others along the way including one person who was drawing three government cheques Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 It is that simple. If you are hiring to fill senior management positions you treat it like any other vacancy and hire based on some measure of competence. The legislature shouldn't get to vote on hires either but the recruitment process should at least provide some checks and balances on the Governor's preferences, and ensure that the appointee has the basic skills and experience required of the position. I understand cronyism and the need to reward donors, but geez... shouldn't they have some experience of some sort in the job their being appointed to? This reminds one of the Ron Brown hiring. And yes, this is par for the course in politics, but it is ALWAYS icky.(It's even worse when he makes it a point to pick on teachers and other public employees for making too much and draining the public coffers.) Of course they SHOULD have credentials. Governors shouldn't appoint hacks - that goes without saying. I was just explaining WHY Governors get to appoint who they want to appoint, and why "checks and balances" are not an entirely good thing in this area. Imagine if a liberal (or conservative) legislature got to vet the appointees of a conservative (or liberal) governor. They would screw with him something fierce in order to block his agenda. It might be his second term before he got anyone actually seated in an office doing any work. What checks and balances do you guys suggest that wouldn't themselves become completely politicized? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duckus Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 He seems highly qualified for a government appointee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 I have trouble believing that that was the only reason. But I'll take your word for it. It really was a very large deciding factor, and Fletcher was a Republican and a Democrat beat him....in Kentucky, in the 2008 election when Kentucky went very heavily toward the Right. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernie_Fletcher#Merit_system_investigation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 What checks and balances do you guys suggest that wouldn't themselves become completely politicized? I dunno. The requirements for the position are published, and then some effort is made to evaluate candidates against the requirements by career HR staff. Why can't political appointees be made with a modicum of professionalism and process? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 I dunno. The requirements for the position are published, and then some effort is made to evaluate candidates against the requirements by career HR staff. Why can't political appointees be made with a modicum of professionalism and process? No, that's the civil service. The handful of political appointees at the top are there precisely to implement a political agenda. They are not there to be the best career man for the job. They are there to do what the governor wants them to do, the way he wants them to do it, as soon as he gets into office. You can't wait months to have someone implementing the governor's agenda. At least they get booted out when he gets booted out. He should pick good people, but in many ways, its more important that he pick HIS people, the people that will do what the voters presumably elected the governor to do. (I can't believe I am defending Scott Walker's cronyism here. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 No, that's the civil service. The handful of political appointees at the top are there precisely to implement a political agenda. They are not there to be the best career man for the job. They are there to do what the governor wants them to do, the way he wants them to do it, as soon as he gets into office. And in many large corporations the senior executives serve at the pleasure of the CEO or President. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 Hey, a job without experience? Where do I sign up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
December90 Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 When I saw the thread title with "little experience pay off big" I couldn't help but think of Obama, but then I realized that he actually had "No" experience and it paid off big for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney B Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 When I saw the thread title with "little experience pay off big" I couldn't help but think of Obama, but then I realized that he actually had "No" experience and it paid off big for him. You, sir, are the model of consistency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRSmith Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 No, that's the civil service. The handful of political appointees at the top are there precisely to implement a political agenda. They are not there to be the best career man for the job. They are there to do what the governor wants them to do, the way he wants them to do it, as soon as he gets into office. You can't wait months to have someone implementing the governor's agenda. At least they get booted out when he gets booted out. He should pick good people, but in many ways, its more important that he pick HIS people, the people that will do what the voters presumably elected the governor to do.(I can't believe I am defending Scott Walker's cronyism here. ) Here is the problem with that Walker has already shown incompetance as he has worked in the government what he needs is people to tell him what works and what does not work to get best service to people not cronies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 Shocking! You mean Walker is a lying hypocritical gas bag who knows nothing of the fiscal restraint of which he so loudly preaches? I know, right? I won't be able to sleep tonight. **** off, tea party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 After the Jamie Gorrelick promotion after memogate to VP of Freddie with zero experience and then walking away with millions after making it worse. Stamp this crap out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 When I saw the thread title with "little experience pay off big" I couldn't help but think of Obama, but then I realized that he actually had "No" experience and it paid off big for him. Well, the main difference is that Obama earned his way in by getting the votes, and this clown earned his way in because his daddy contributed money. But it is very likely that they both have ten fingers and ten toes, so there are some similarities. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 I would say that President Obama has been grooming for this for quite a while based on books and friends. He then had his 15 minutes at the dem convention that sparked and interest based on his charisma. The President before him got the job because his dad had it and he owned a sports team and his opposition lost his home state? That would be a closer comparison really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 I would say that President Obama has been grooming for this for quite a while based on books and friends.He then had his 15 minutes at the dem convention that sparked and interest based on his charisma. The President before him got the job because his dad had it and he owned a sports team and his opposition lost his home state? That would be a closer comparison really. Both of these examples won an election. That is not cronyism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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