Yahoo: Mystery S.C. nominee has pending felony charge

[Bang]

Are you up in arms over the electorate being manipulated or the Republicans secretly voting for a loser candidate in the Democratic primary? Or just generally up in arms?

My response was directed towards those that were, in your words, manipulated to vote for this guy.

And to answer your question...yes, I do believe that there are people that are REALLY that stupid. Or if not stupid definitely willing to vote for someone based on something other than even a cursory examination of their qualifications. Happens every election and in my opinion that makes as much of a mockery of our democracy as the so called shenanigans you have knowledge of here.

I think it's pretty obvious what I'm up in arms about.

Here we have obvious and clear misuse of our system.

I hear the word "brilliant" being cast about, and you telling me that you honestly believe that THAT many people would be THAT stupid tells me that you really haven't got the slightest respect for anyone's intelligence. And those are the things I'm up in arms about. So long as we never demand better, the people who do this sort of crap are only going to get worse. Cheering for it or making excuses for it because it makes the other team look bad is exactly what the crooks who perpetrate this sort of thing want.

Oh, and by the way, neither do the people who do this kind of stuff. They know that they will get away with it because people like you and others behave the way you do when you see it.

Your final sentence seems to lend the idea that you actually believe that minus a smoking gun, that there may actually be some legitimacy to this guy's candidacy. As you say, people do dumb things every election. People have been writing in Mickey Mouse in every election for decades, but has he actually ever WON a primary? See, if you showed me that this guy claimed 2%, even 5% of the voite, i'd agree,, dumbasses deserve what they get. But he WON. So to accept that I have to believe that the MAJORITY of them are that stupid, and I don't see that as being possible in any way shape or form.

The other possible explanations (he's a plant, voters jumped parties in the primary to prop him up) are MUCH more plausible than an entire state's worth of Democrats are so stupid as to vote for an unemployed accused felon who they never heard speak on any issue EVER.

It's not "so-called" shenanigans. It's absolutely positively completely and unequivically shenanigans.

When you step in dog ****, do you need to send it to the lab to confirm what it is, or does the smell tip you off right away? That is what this is like. You wait for the lab results (since it seems you believe it's not dog**** on your shoe.) Me, I'm going to go with the obvious.. I really don't need to take my shoe off and sniff it to know that my assumption of dog**** has a very high probability of being true.

You are enabling this sort of thing by pretending that it's not shenanigans and that people as a whole are indeed so stupid.

So long as there's folks out there who think the way you do, the crooks who do this sort of thing will keep on doing it.

And THAT is what I'm up in arms about. The absolute an utter blindness of pur partisan atmosphere that will allow otherwise intelligent people to look the other way, or applaud such obvious undermining of everything our country stands for.

~Bang

[Burgold]

I agree with Bang. Party over country stinks. We should get the best two candidates with the best sets of ideas to square off. How cowardly to think that your guy is so inept and his ideas are so bad that you need to rig the election. It should be a competition between the best.

[Dan T.]

If he is accused of showing obscene photos to a South Carolina college student and suggesting they go to her dorm room, he has shown that he would fit right in as a member of the Senate.

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The college student Greene was accused of showing the obscenty described the encounter to the AP.

"I said, 'That's offensive,' and he sat there laughing," said Camille McCoy, a rising sophomore who said Greene sat down next to her in a computer lab and asked her to look at pornographic photos on his screen. "He said, 'Let's go to your room now.' It was kind of scary. He's a pretty big boy. He could've overpowered me."

McCoy called campus police and picked Greene out of a photo array. Greene has posted bond on the charge, which carries a punishment of up to five years in prison.

This part made me laugh, a rueful laugh, but a laugh:

Refusing to discuss the pending charge, Greene says he's ready to get the message out about his platform, whose three main points -- jobs, education and justice -- were listed on a green campaign flyer he told a reporter he couldn't have because it was his only copy.

During his campaign, instead of handing out flyers, he had one copy that he showed people on the campaign trail.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2010/06/10/unknown_senate_candidate_in_sc_faces_felony_charge/

[Bang]

Greene says he's ready to get the message out about his platform, whose three main points -- jobs, education and justice -- were listed on a green campaign flyer he told a reporter he couldn't have because it was his only copy.

During his campaign, instead of handing out flyers, he had one copy that he showed people on the campaign trail.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2010/06/10/unknown_senate_candidate_in_sc_faces_felony_charge/

Oh yeah. I can see now how that lends credence to the "he's a legitimate candidate who planned this himself" notion. I can also see how this can lead one to believe that a whole state's worth of Dems actually voted for him.

I wonder,, and I hope they all answer...

Would any of our resident Democrats vote for this guy in the primary?

If he was on the Republican ballot, would any of our resident GOPers have voted for him?

Yes or no?

(Don't bother trying to check out his credentials or platform, because no one knew what it was until he photocopied it.. once. Just pretend you're from SC and you had no idea who he was until he 'won'.)

~Bang

[twa]

The other possible explanations (he's a plant, voters jumped parties in the primary to prop him up) are MUCH more plausible than an entire state's worth of Democrats are so stupid as to vote for an unemployed accused felon who they never heard speak on any issue EVER.

~Bang

I love that conjecture(yes I have a very low opinion of voters intelligence)

A good test of it would be to have single,open primaries w/o party designations and watch the hilarity ensue.

[Dan T.]

Basic question I have't seen answered - does South Carolina have open primaries for Senate?

Their Presidential primaries are open...

[brianm23]

Well, South Carolina is a little more sophisticated than Texas.

(I'm assuming she was an underaged college coed)

How can you be a "underage" college student? I'm pretty sure 99.9999999999999% of college students are above the age of 18. (legal adult)

[China]

How can you be a "underage" college student? I'm pretty sure 99.9999999999999% of college students are above the age of 18. (legal adult)

As Burgold stated, he was 17 as a freshman. So was I, for my entire freshman year.

[Redskins Diehard]

I think it's pretty obvious what I'm up in arms about.

Here we have obvious and clear misuse of our system.

I hear the word "brilliant" being cast about, and you telling me that you honestly believe that THAT many people would be THAT stupid tells me that you really haven't got the slightest respect for anyone's intelligence. And those are the things I'm up in arms about. So long as we never demand better, the people who do this sort of crap are only going to get worse. Cheering for it or making excuses for it because it makes the other team look bad is exactly what the crooks who perpetrate this sort of thing want.

Oh, and by the way, neither do the people who do this kind of stuff. They know that they will get away with it because people like you and others behave the way you do when you see it.

Your final sentence seems to lend the idea that you actually believe that minus a smoking gun, that there may actually be some legitimacy to this guy's candidacy. As you say, people do dumb things every election. People have been writing in Mickey Mouse in every election for decades, but has he actually ever WON a primary? See, if you showed me that this guy claimed 2%, even 5% of the voite, i'd agree,, dumbasses deserve what they get. But he WON. So to accept that I have to believe that the MAJORITY of them are that stupid, and I don't see that as being possible in any way shape or form.

The other possible explanations (he's a plant, voters jumped parties in the primary to prop him up) are MUCH more plausible than an entire state's worth of Democrats are so stupid as to vote for an unemployed accused felon who they never heard speak on any issue EVER.

It's not "so-called" shenanigans. It's absolutely positively completely and unequivically shenanigans.

When you step in dog ****, do you need to send it to the lab to confirm what it is, or does the smell tip you off right away? That is what this is like. You wait for the lab results (since it seems you believe it's not dog**** on your shoe.) Me, I'm going to go with the obvious.. I really don't need to take my shoe off and sniff it to know that my assumption of dog**** has a very high probability of being true.

You are enabling this sort of thing by pretending that it's not shenanigans and that people as a whole are indeed so stupid.

So long as there's folks out there who think the way you do, the crooks who do this sort of thing will keep on doing it.

And THAT is what I'm up in arms about. The absolute an utter blindness of pur partisan atmosphere that will allow otherwise intelligent people to look the other way, or applaud such obvious undermining of everything our country stands for.

~Bang

It actually isn't clear. You first were upset about people being manipulated and now you are upset about Republicans planting a candidate and then bringing him to victory.

I never said THAT many people were THAT stupid. I said at least SOME people are THAT stupid. Since we rarely see what 50% voter turnout in presidential years I can only imagine what percentage show up for a primary in a midterm. Maybe my conclusions are based on voter apathy. It is a shame that the people of South Carolina...in this case specifically the Democrats...care so little about the democracy that they can't be bothered with participating in it. Maybe that is what is making a mockery of the whole process.

[Larry]

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[Bang]

It actually isn't clear. You first were upset about people being manipulated and now you are upset about Republicans planting a candidate and then bringing him to victory.

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You should understand that i don't care if Republicans or Democrats or Red Chinese did this. (Although I'd understand it better if the Chinese did it.)

It's shameful. It's a disgusting mockery of what we are supposed to be all about.

And THAT is what I'm upset about. Period.

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My logic is based on all the other shenaigans that keep escalating around our elections, and yours is based on the belief that voter apathy either allowed

A/ the only Dems who cared enough to vote actually voted for an unemployed alleged felon who lives with his parents and has no platform, who's name they didn't even know

or B/ a bunch of people trying to tip the scale of the election to take advantage of said apathy went ahead and voted for a guy that they knew was a joke.

In your apathy scenario, which one of those is more apt to be correct?

Also, i notice my question hasn't been answered from my last post.

Would anyone here have voted for this guy given all you didn't know about him on Monday? (Like his NAME)

And if not, why are you so ready to believe THEY would?

~Bang

[NavyDave]

You should understand that i don't care if Republicans or Democrats or Red Chinese did this. (Although I'd understand it better if the Chinese did it.)

It's shameful. It's a disgusting mockery of what we are supposed to be all about.

And THAT is what I'm upset about. Period.

~Bang

I felt the same way during the Primaries when liberals in Iowa and Connecticut as well as out of towners who promised to become residents some day in Connecticut voted for McCain.

[NavyDave]

Seriously, anyone who can do this has absolutely NO right to complain about ACORN, Bussing in illegals, counting dead people, dogs voting,, nothing.

God Bless America, home of the crook. If you can believe that many people voted legitimately for an unemployed candidate with a felony charge and no platform, you will not only swallow anything, but you enable this sort of **** as badly as people who laugh and call it "brilliant".

~Bang

Actually a certain demographic down there saw Al Green and thought R & B Singer and the Reverend Al Green running for office.

You do know that the democrats do count on the mentally challenged voting and bus them to the polls right? And try to get away with felons voting and are trying to get them to have the right to vote.

So if democrats have no problem with felons voting democrat what is the big deal if one is nominated to represent their party?

[NavyDave]

Ugh. Just read the article.

Greene's candidacy has raised suspicions that he may have been induced to run by Republican operatives in order to sow dissension in the Democratic ranks. It's not uncommon in South Carolina for Republicans to recruit African-American challengers to run against white frontrunners in Democratic primaries in the hope of drumming up racial tensions. (Greene is black.) The straw candidates aren't supposed to win — they're just supposed to create a racially divisive primary to damage the candidate's ability to put together a coalition in the general election.

The nerve of Team Elephant persuading Black candidates to run for office against perfectly fine good ole boy Democrat frontrunners who happen to not be African Americans but have known what is best for minorities for decades.

And that is to reelect the good ole boy Dems.

[Bang]

Actually a certain demographic down there saw Al Green and thought R & B Singer and the Reverend Al Green running for office.

You do know that the democrats do count on the mentally challenged voting and bus them to the polls right? And try to get away with felons voting and are trying to get them to have the right to vote.

So if democrats have no problem with felons voting democrat what is the big deal if one is nominated to represent their party?

This is hardly the point. And this is not a partisan issue, this is an issue that undermines OUR system, US, as in all of us. We should not excuse it, encourage it, applaud it, or justify it. We should figure out a way to stop it.

But, not at all surprised since you've pretty much now thrown in the notion tha perhaps nothing but mentally challenged people cast the majority of votes.

Even you can't possibly believe that down underneath your partisan mind-set. I know you come off the way you do, but you're certainly not a stupid person. You must see the inherent ridiculousness of the excuses being used to try and cast doubt over this.

It's like a detective walks into a room with five bloody corpses on the floor, bullet holes everywhere, and decides they all died in a pencil sharpener accident. After all, they could've gotten their fingers stuck in the deadly sharpener one after another.

Come on, man.

~Bang

[NavyDave]

This is hardly the point. And this is not a partisan issue, this is an issue that undermines OUR system, US, as in all of us. We should not excuse it, encourage it, applaud it, or justify it. We should figure out a way to stop it.

You must see the inherent ridiculousness of the excuses being used to try and cast doubt over this.

~Bang

Dude you should know from my posts earlier that I'm being sarcastic and want my candidates to win on merit and their ideas.

I'm not happy if Conservatives stoop low in the gutter and behave like liberals with the win at all cost the ends justify the means mindset.

It is ironic how what I have exposed the liberals of doing with evidence over the years the GOP is being accused of allegedly doing.

[Bang]

Dude you should know from my posts earlier that I'm being sarcastic and want my candidates to win on merit and their ideas.

I'm not happy if Conservatives stoop low in the gutter and behave like liberals with the win at all cost the ends justify the means mindset.

It is ironic how what I have exposed the liberals of doing with evidence over the years the GOP is being accused of allegedly doing.

Thanks, and I get what you're saying, I really do. It's high time it stops no matter where it comes from. Tit for tat only means you've stooped, and it's high time one of these two parties decides to put an end to it and force the other to follow suit.

As long as they both do it, standing around yelling what the other guy did is just an exercise in futility.

~Bang

[Dan T.]

Why have open primaries? It further opens the door for this type of shenanagins.

[Predicto]

Why have open primaries? It further opens the door for this type of shenanagins.

It's a trade off. Open primaries, for good or ill, give the electorate more power over who the candidates will be.

Plus, in theory you get less extreme candidates.

[Califan007 The Constipated]

Why have open primaries? It further opens the door for this type of shenanagins.

Does an open primary really explain this guy winning, though? lol...I mean he should have received ZERO percent of the vote. I would imagine an open primary with republican voter shenanigans causing this guy to maybe end up with 10% of the vote as a result, not WINNING the damn thing. That would take one helluva organized behind-the-scenes effort to get that many GOP voters to bother showing up to vote. I remember reading about how Limbaugh used his radio show to persuade repub voters to vote for Hillary in order to keep the democratic primaries going longer and longer lol...I imagine it would take something VERY public like that to spread the word to enough repub voters in S.C. to lead to a win...I could be wrong, though.

[Dan T.]

Does an open primary really explain this guy winning, though? lol...I mean he should have received ZERO percent of the vote. I would imagine an open primary with republican voter shenanigans causing this guy to maybe end up with 10% of the vote as a result, not WINNING the damn thing. That would take one helluva organized behind-the-scenes effort to get that many GOP voters to bother showing up to vote. I remember reading about how Limbaugh used his radio show to persuade repub voters to vote for Hillary in order to keep the democratic primaries going longer and longer lol...I imagine it would take something VERY public like that to spread the word to enough repub voters in S.C. to lead to a win...I could be wrong, though.

Yeah it's probably more a combination of: 1. otherwise apathetic voters assumed Greene was the non-establishment Dem. candidate 2. he was the black dude, 3. his name came first on the ballot, and 4. Vic Rawl was a lackluster front runner who ran a lackluster campaign.

It will be interesting to hear how this guy ended up on the ballot though. I don't think he suddenly got self-inspired to run for state-wide office out of his parents' basement.

[Predicto]

Does an open primary really explain this guy winning, though? lol...I mean he should have received ZERO percent of the vote. I would imagine an open primary with republican voter shenanigans causing this guy to maybe end up with 10% of the vote as a result, not WINNING the damn thing. That would take one helluva organized behind-the-scenes effort to get that many GOP voters to bother showing up to vote. I remember reading about how Limbaugh used his radio show to persuade repub voters to vote for Hillary in order to keep the democratic primaries going longer and longer lol...I imagine it would take something VERY public like that to spread the word to enough repub voters in S.C. to lead to a win...I could be wrong, though.

And Limbaugh's efforts were pretty much a total flop too. I'm sure SOME GOP guys voted in the Dem primary for giggles, but not tens of thousands.

The more I look at this, the more it just seems like an embarassment for the Democrats and nothing more.

[Special K]

I just saw some quotes from this dude on the news, ****ing hysterical!!

When asked about his position on TARP, he asked what it was. :rotfl:

When asked about Iran's nuclear situation, he said something to the effect of "I think we're doing a good job" or something like that then was like "hey, I'm getting a beep on the other line, gotta go." HAHAHA!!

This is hysterical. Very sad state for politics,k but freaking hysterical nonetheless.

[JimboDaMan]

I just saw some quotes from this dude on the news, ****ing hysterical!!

When asked about his position on TARP, he asked what it was. :rotfl:

When asked about Iran's nuclear situation, he said something to the effect of "I think we're doing a good job" or something like that then was like "hey, I'm getting a beep on the other line, gotta go." HAHAHA!!

This is hysterical. Very sad state for politics,k but freaking hysterical nonetheless.

Clearly gotcha journalism from the lamestream media.

[Redskins Diehard]

Clearly gotcha journalism from the lamestream media.

I actually do think anything beyond the most general biographical questioning in this instance was so called "gotcha" journalism and not necessary.