IHOPSkins Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 Basically, on Cinco de Mayo, a few students at a school showed up wearing clothing with the American flag. The principal thought they were trying to provoke a confrontation and so he told them to remove the clothing, but that they could wear that clothing on any other day. This pissed off a lot of people.So, Fox, in its never-ending quest to get people riled up and pissed off about the fact that "we" are losing "our" America to "them" decided to post this ridiculous poll. Obviously, Fox News doesn't think too highly of its viewers. You are so right On Cinco de Mayo...(a more AMERICAN than Mexican HOLIDAY by the way) We should only be allowed to fly Mexican flags While Cinco de Mayo sees limited significance and celebration nationwide in Mexico, the date is observed nationwide in the United States and other locations around the world as a celebration of Mexican heritage and pride.[8] Cinco de Mayo is not Mexico's Independence Day,[9] the most important national patriotic holiday in Mexico.[10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinco_de_Mayo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polywog999 Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 I do understand why they did this. It is in answer to constant left-wing anti-anything that is bad for the child misguidedness. They certainly don't want to ban the flag, but rather want to acknowledge It's controversial nature nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHOPSkins Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 They didn't get suspended.SemanticsThey LEFT to AVOID being suspended "They said we could wear it on any other day," Daniel Galli said, "but today is sensitive to Mexican-Americans because it's supposed to be their holiday so we were not allowed to wear it today." "They said if we tried to go back to class with our shirts not taken off, they said it was defiance and we would get suspended," Dominic Maciel, Galli's friend, said. The boys really had no choice, and went home to avoid suspension. They say they're angry they were not allowed to express their American pride. Their parents are just as upset, calling what happened to their children, "total nonsense." http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-beat/Students-Wearing-American-Flag-Shirts-Sent-Home-92945969.html Oh This kid was suspended....... http://politics.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978222778 And we might try and remember this.... The occasion was a protest involving approximately 1,000 Hispanic students who walked out of their classes in the El Rancho Unified and Whittier Union High School Districts and marched through the town of Pico Rivera to nearby Montebello High School, where they demonstrated against proposed federal legislation calling for harsher measures against illegal immigration. As these photos and others taken that day show, Mexican flags were common currency at the event. The standard waving got out of hand, however, when a small group of protesters hoisted the flag of Mexico up the school flagpole with the Stars and Stripes underneath it, upside-down. http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_mexican_flag.htm Flag Wars.....coming to a school near you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 I do understand why they did this. It is in answer to constant left-wing anti-anything that is bad for the child misguidedness. They certainly don't want to ban the flag, but rather want to acknowledge It's controversial nature nowadays. I think it's about one overly zealous idiot of a principal who got roundly criticized by liberals, conservatives and everybody inbetween, plus got rebuked by his school board and told he was wrong. And then people with an agenda wanting to utilize this one idiot as a symbol to rally against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 I think it's about one overly zealous idiot of a principal who got roundly criticized by liberals, conservatives and everybody inbetween, plus got rebuked by his school board and told he was wrong.And then people with an agenda wanting to utilize this one idiot as a symbol to rally against. Actually, I'm not certain that I would criticize the Principal. To me, whether he was right or not, depends on whether you believe that the kids in question were showing patriotism, or trying to start a fight by staging a counter-protest. And IMO, the only way to know which it was, is to know the kids in question. Meaning: I don't know, and neither does a single person in here. Not saying "he was right". Saying "I can imagine a context in which he was right". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHOPSkins Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 .....To me, whether he was right or not, depends on whether you believe that the kids in question were showing patriotism, or trying to start a fight by staging a counter-protest.......I agree with this to a pointCelebrating another culture is not necessarily political (although the illegal alien protest marches are) And I would agree that the principle probably does have a better take on this...(the Kid pushing the US flag might just be picking a fight) BUT How do you determine Motivation? What if the Kid was motivated by politics and antagonism BUT was not seen that way? Its concrete ACTION that is being debated especially in a legal environment.......either kids can wear US stuff everyday or not No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 Possibly, but if you want to take away the idiot, I would still argue that (based on what we read) we need to keep the "overzealous" part. Afterall, it really read as if the Principal decided to go on a pre-emptive move banning those kids because of what he feared. If there was no shoving, punches, name calling, insults or whatever, but the Principal acted on his suspiscions... well, he's at least overzealous (and probably an idiot) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoot Point Really Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 I knew FOX was anti-Democracy and hated the American spirit, but wow, they want to ban the flag???? I get the joke... the statement is even more preposterous than the poll... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 I get the joke... the statement is even more preposterous than the poll... joke? Seriously though, the population that follow FOX are predominantly Conservative, right. Ergo, the people who hear and respond to their polls are more than likely more than not Conservatives. If close to 60% of a million FOX voters oppose the flag... it is clear indication that the majority of Conservatives who watch FOX are anti-American. What could be clearer and more demonstrably true than that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 I think the American Flag should be mandated by law displayed everywhere. Police officers should stop you and ask for your flag just to check on your patriotism. All citizens should have to display a flag or a flag pin at all times even while engaged is child making. At school kids should be taught that without the flag all would be lost and socialism would enslave their minds in a matter of hours. Jesus should have a flag draped around him in all images of him in churches to display the fact that America has been chosen by God and is his beacon of light on this planet.The only people that would oppose this are anti-american socialists that fear the greatest symbol for God's free market plan for his people. what about Muhammad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 what about Muhammad? I follow his Word. "Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee." And you best watch your ass about the butterfly part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polywog999 Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 I think it's about one overly zealous idiot of a principal who got roundly criticized by liberals, conservatives and everybody inbetween, plus got rebuked by his school board and told he was wrong.And then people with an agenda wanting to utilize this one idiot as a symbol to rally against. I can also agree with this statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 SemanticsThey LEFT to AVOID being suspended It's not semantics, suspended means they can't come back to school they went home and then returned the next day. Those are different things, to call them semantics is to say that different things aren't different in was other than vocabulary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHOPSkins Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 It's not semantics, suspended means they can't come back to school they went home and then returned the next day........SemanticsThey were defacto suspended for the day (Leave voluntarily or we will suspend you TODAY!) If not, why were they allowed to LEAVE school that day? Maybe the Truant Officer should have been called? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngestson Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 To me, whether he was right or not, depends on whether you believe that the kids in question were showing patriotism, or trying to start a fight by staging a counter-protest. That was the first thing I thought of when I saw the story. I have grown so used to parents and students yelling about the out of control schools when they or their kids have been punished for being jerks it's sort of a fall back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polywog999 Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 I think It's kind of tasteless, even though I understand. That kind of tactic is divisive and unsettling. A poll on whether to display our great flag? My Dad who fought in two wars, would not have found that poll to be cute in the least. You do not have to be conservative to agree on this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabee1973 Posted May 23, 2010 Author Share Posted May 23, 2010 http://www.traditionalvalues.org/read/2667/schools-ban-american-flag-as-lsquodivisiversquo/ Banned in Haiti from flying at COmmand posts http://www.themoralliberal.com/2010/03/17/obama-bans-u-s-flag-in-haiti/ All patroitic clothing banned in 1 NC school http://www.themoralliberal.com/2010/03/17/obama-bans-u-s-flag-in-haiti/ Flag drawing called offensive http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/05/11/student-banned-by-teacher-in-california-for-drawing-a-flag-was-god-bless-america-offensive-and-holy-jolly-rancher-batman/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabee1973 Posted May 23, 2010 Author Share Posted May 23, 2010 Supposedly the ACLU SIEU and Move on.org last thursday started tweeting their members to vote Yes the flag should be banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 Supposedly the ACLU SIEU and Move on.org last thursday started tweeting their members to vote Yes the flag should be banned. Supposedly Obama was born in Kenya and the Moon Landing never happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 Supposedly the ACLU SIEU and Move on.org last thursday started tweeting their members to vote Yes the flag should be banned. If "supposedly" is all that is required to try and make a point, we're sunk. You can "suppose" anything, and as long as they keep "supposing" then the sheep will continue to believe a percentage of the suppositions to be true, or based in truth. That is how propaganda works. Imagine that! Don't be so damned stupid to be afraid of the big meanies supposedly trying to ban our flag. Honestly, if there was ever a more obvious boogeyman I don't know what it is. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 Honestly, if there was ever a more obvious boogeyman I don't know what it is.~Bang Agreed. "They" will take away every gun in America, long before this will happen. :halo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 To me, whether he was right or not, depends on whether you believe that the kids in question were showing patriotism, or trying to start a fight by staging a counter-protest. I disagree. Even if the kids were trying to start a fight, so what. As a principal, your job is to deal with it. And suspending them for wearing a flag is not a way to deal with it. What the students did wrong isn't wearing a flag (first amendment), its the heckling and talking that allegedly went on along with it. And if they were suspended for that, then its a different story. But to openly say that you suspended guys for wearing an American flag in America because they were likely to start a fight? Nah, I'm not buyin it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinFeathers Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 This poll is not even worthy of a vote. America is a country in which people want freedom of expression when it suits them and hate it when it offends them. Too much hate over small things. I honestly fail to see how Old Glory can really offend anyone that lives in this country. Next thing we know someone's gonna throw a ***** fit because there's an American Eagle on the back of the quarter. Find something important to spend your time on instead of just picking fights to get a reaction. All this hate is a waste of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticVillain Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 This is crazy. This is America, when I see that flag I know that it represents my country. Yes it might be corrupt and whatnot, but it is my country. I know I am just piling on, but what kind of question is that. I am all for being respectful, but you can't ban the flag of your country because a handful of people were pissed........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 I disagree. Even if the kids were trying to start a fight, so what. As a principal, your job is to deal with it. And suspending them for wearing a flag is not a way to deal with it. What the students did wrong isn't wearing a flag (first amendment), its the heckling and talking that allegedly went on along with it. And if they were suspended for that, then its a different story. But to openly say that you suspended guys for wearing an American flag in America because they were likely to start a fight? Nah, I'm not buyin it. The First Amendment protects heckling and talking, too. The First Amendment protects the wearing of all flags. Equally. If some students want to wear the Saudi flag to a New York public school, on 9/11, you want to say that "well, if it starts a fight, then the school should deal with it"? No, I'm not saying that the US flag = the Saudi flag. I'm saying that it is permissible, in some cases (I could see it argued either way in this one), for there to be rules restricting free expression when people think it's intended/likely to lead to violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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