Politics Daily.com: Glenn Beck Urges Listeners to Leave Churches that Preach Social Justice

[Hubbs]

Sorry to most of you but Beck is 100% right. "Social Justice" is a Communist/Socialist term for redistribute the wealth. It is a term that has been spread by the most anti-capitalist groups around and for some reason churches have begun to picked it up. They are either too blind to see that they have aligned themselves with the far left fringe or they are socialist themselves. Because Beck and other conservatives believe in the free market system and believe people should be able to keep the fruits of their labor, they don't support the social justice movement. Beck is not saying don't go to church, he is saying if your church is preaching social justice, you should be weary and maybe find another place to worship. I agree. To the OP, if your church is into the social justice thing believing you are simply trying to help the needy, then good for you but you should know you are standing with communists and socialists who could care less about the needy. All they want is to move away from freedom and capitalism and towards government control of everything and everyone and "social justice" is one of their tools.

But... free markets and charity don't contradict each other. In fact, they complement each other.

[Predicto]

Depends on the context. I went to a Spanish mass yesterday. During the "announcements" before the final blessing, they spent 15 minutes preaching about the evil of U.S. immigration policy. I kept thinking, "perhaps if they came here legally, it wouldn't be 'evil'."

I see. Churches complaining about unfair laws and public policies - that never happens. Something is wrong when a church advocates for the change of a law - a proper conservative church would never do such a thing.

I've also heard of "support groups" which I presume are introductory courses on circumventing proper immigration protocols.

And I presume that you have no idea what you are talking about.

But then, I personally have helped a legal immigrant with a green card obtain her US citizenship with the assistance of a church support group, so when I talk about the subject, I'm not just blowing smoke out of my azz.

[Predicto]

Sorry to most of you but Beck is 100% right. "Social Justice" is a Communist/Socialist term for redistribute the wealth. It is a term that has been spread by the most anti-capitalist groups around and for some reason churches have begun to picked it up. They are either too blind to see that they have aligned themselves with the far left fringe or they are socialist themselves. Because Beck and other conservatives believe in the free market system and believe people should be able to keep the fruits of their labor, they don't support the social justice movement. Beck is not saying don't go to church, he is saying if your church is preaching social justice, you should be weary and maybe find another place to worship. I agree. To the OP, if your church is into the social justice thing believing you are simply trying to help the needy, then good for you but you should know you are standing with communists and socialists who could care less about the needy. All they want is to move away from freedom and capitalism and towards government control of everything and everyone and "social justice" is one of their tools.

Binary thinking 101. Very impressive.

[SnyderShrugged]

From the United Methodist website regarding social justice.

http://archives.umc.org/interior.asp?mid=1686

I guess Nazis were against the slave trade, and smuggling and I guess Stalin was against the cruel treatment of prisoners....:doh: Beck is an utter buffoon.

Another link

http://www.stmarkumc.org/ourworld/diversity/socialjusticestands.html

I really dont like Beck either, but I dont think that is how he was using the term, to be honest. I could be wrong. (at least I hope I'm not! sheesh! who would be against fighting those things?)

[AsburySkinsFan]

I really dont like Beck either, but I dont think that is how he was using the term, to be honest. I could be wrong.

You're right, he totally hijacked the term and made it into a Nazi/Communist rant against social justice preachers like myself. The worst part of all of this is he is using key buzz words order to scare people away from their preachers and their communities of worship.

[SkinzFoLife]

I thought Glenn Beck was a Mormon? His wife converted him. Don't mormons go on missionarys helping the poor and misguided so they too can have their own planet and wife when they pass into the after life?

http://www.leaderu.com/offices/michaeldavis/docs/mormonism/definitions.html

[Predicto]

I really dont like Beck either, but I dont think that is how he was using the term, to be honest. I could be wrong. (at least I hope I'm not! sheesh! who would be against fighting those things?)

Southern Churches in the Civil War era were openly against those things. To them, slavery was ordained by God, and they quoted scripture to prove it. :whoknows:

[AsburySkinsFan]

I thought Glenn Beck was a Mormon? His wife converted him. Don't mormons go on missionarys helping the poor and misguided so they too can have their own planet and wife when they pass into the after life?

http://www.leaderu.com/offices/michaeldavis/docs/mormonism/definitions.html

It is a common but grievous mistake that many Conservative Christians make in thinking that one's faith only affects a person's salvation a "Me & Thee" faith that does not affect the way one lives with others. Of course the Liberal Christians make the mistake in the opposite neglecting the spiritual nature of faith in favor of focusing on the temporal giving of faith. When the real answer is both/and.

And at his gate lay a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, 21 who longed to satisfy his hunger with what fell from the rich man's table; even the dogs would come and lick his sores. 22 The poor man died and was carried away by the angels to be with Abraham. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was being tormented, he looked up and saw Abraham far away with Lazarus by his side. 24 He called out, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am in agony in these flames.' 25 But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that during your lifetime you received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner evil things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in agony.

Talk about a call for social justice.

[SkinzFoLife]

It is a common but grievous mistake that many Conservative Christians make in thinking that one's faith only affects a person's salvation a "Me & Thee" faith that does not affect the way one lives with others. Of course the Liberal Christians make the mistake in the opposite neglecting the spiritual nature of faith in favor of focusing on the temporal giving of faith. When the real answer is both/and.

Talk about a call for social justice.

I'm sorry but WHAT?

[AsburySkinsFan]

Southern Churches in the Civil War era were openly against those things. To them, slavery was ordained by God, and they quoted scripture to prove it. :whoknows:

And did so wrongly, especially since the types of slavery were wholly different between the 1st century and the Civil War era never would the plantation slavery have been confused with what was described in the Bible, as such it was just another grievous form of proof texting especially considering that not all of scripture has equal bearing upon all people at all times...eating pork comes to mind.

[AsburySkinsFan]

I'm sorry but WHAT?

I was describing the mistake that Glenn Beck is making, not the Mormons; and then I was being fair in describing the opposing mistake that is made.

[SkinzFoLife]

So why not just say that then? ;o)

[mbws]

Sorry to most of you but Beck is 100% right. "Social Justice" is a Communist/Socialist term for redistribute the wealth. It is a term that has been spread by the most anti-capitalist groups around and for some reason churches have begun to picked it up. They are either too blind to see that they have aligned themselves with the far left fringe or they are socialist themselves. Because Beck and other conservatives believe in the free market system and believe people should be able to keep the fruits of their labor, they don't support the social justice movement. Beck is not saying don't go to church, he is saying if your church is preaching social justice, you should be weary and maybe find another place to worship. I agree. To the OP, if your church is into the social justice thing believing you are simply trying to help the needy, then good for you but you should know you are standing with communists and socialists who could care less about the needy. All they want is to move away from freedom and capitalism and towards government control of everything and everyone and "social justice" is one of their tools.

Giving Away Free Money? That's downright Communism.

Here is Glenn Beck speaking the truth in a more intelligent way.

Hannity Shows up at the end.

[GibbsFactor]

Southern Churches in the Civil War era were openly against those things. To them, slavery was ordained by God, and they quoted scripture to prove it. :whoknows:

I'm pretty sure the civilized world has evolved since the 1860s and the era of the holy books.

[THEREALTOR1]

None of the churches that I have ever attended used the term "social justice'?

They all strongly advocated giving of oneself both in time and money, but not in the name of social justice but in the name of compassion for those in need.

I think they are very different things.

Absolutely. I don't need to look to a church to tell me to help out those who are less fortunate than I. I place my faith in a god who tells me I should do that.

[Predicto]

I'm pretty sure the civilized world has evolved since the 1860s and the era of the holy books.

Never said it didn't. He was asking "what church would support such things." The answer is that a lot of them used to. Things change, as they should.

[Spec138]

Well, it was nice of the article to stop the quote short. Doubt anyone here listened to the audio though.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Beck said that the church shouldn't get involved in "'social justice,' the term many Christian churches use to describe their efforts to address poverty and human rights" and said that churches that attempt to address poverty through their social justice programs is akin to being a Nazi or a Commie.

Who is he to gainsay a pastor? Where are his theological credentials? Who is he to tell a church what it should do, how it should worship, or how a congregation should serve G-d?

I don't know who he is to tell Churches what to say or do. I don't even know that this is what he is doing.

I do know this. Christ instructed all Christians in how best to deal with Politics, Religions and Churches. In the Book of John, Jesus said, "My Kingdom is not a part of this world." In the Letters to the Corinthians, Paul admonishes the Church for acting outside of the teachings of Christ and teaching the people to adhere to the word of the Church too strongly.

In Matthew, Jesus condemns the Jews (Pharisees) for leading the people into false worship and essentially leading them astray for the benefit of their own purposes. Jesus said, "But do not ye after their works, for they say, and do not." For this, they handed him over to the Romans and even choose a murderer, Barrabbas, over Jesus because of his words.

Now, I am not saying that anybody should take these words as their own. This is a personnal matter between a person and God to accept such things. However, clearly, if you do claim to be Christian, then their is little doubt that any sort of political affiliation or support of political message is not consistent with the word of God. He clearly tells Christians how this should be handled. Christ said their would be false prophets and that it was up to each of us to follow the word of God and not the trappings of Church or Religions.

At least from this perspective, according to Christian teachings, Beck is not wrong.

[Burgundy Burner]

None of the churches that I have ever attended used the term "social justice'?

They all strongly advocated giving of oneself both in time and money, but not in the name of social justice but in the name of compassion for those in need.

I think they are very different things.

Absolutely. I don't need to look to a church to tell me to help out those who are less fortunate than I. I place my faith in a god who tells me I should do that.

When you do something right in God's eyes and out of sight from the public, God knows what is in your heart. He knows your are not perfect, but God will recognize your service to Him and He knows we need to do a better job each day. We can only try.

There will be those who judge your motives and think you are doing nothing but look down on the less fortunate. You can't please man - that is not what God expects. For both of you - thanks, much thanks. And thanks to an awesome God who puts you in situations that are not only challenging, but brings insults and ridicule from our fellow man.

[twa]

I don't think Beck is much good for spiritual advice,certainly not among my first 100 choices

I would be curious however where the social justice crowd stands on forced 'charity'

Is it only the result that matters (the needy getting help) ???

ASF should we compel it by force of law?...WWJD?

[Madison Redskin]

What kind of people get their news from Glenn Beck? I actually like to think that the masses are much more intelligent than conventional wisdom suggests, but when I see buffoons like Beck getting millions of viewers.....

[GibbsFactor]

What kind of people get their news from Glenn Beck? I actually like to think that the masses are much more intelligent than conventional wisdom suggests, but when I see buffoons like Beck getting millions of viewers.....

He specializes in sensationalism. You are shocked he has an audience?

[ABQCOWBOY]

What kind of people get their news from Glenn Beck? I actually like to think that the masses are much more intelligent than conventional wisdom suggests, but when I see buffoons like Beck getting millions of viewers.....

Beck is not different then many of the left wing counterparts in 2007 and 2008. Common sense should have told us all that half of what was promised to us was impossible yet we convince ourselves to believe it.

[Thiebear]

Couple points:

1. God did have borders as he said to abide by the laws of the land..

though considering we are at 30million illegals.. they might be right.

2. I might be an Atheist but i am amazed at the 111% the lighthouse baptist church pastor puts into hospitals and community service and helping others.. (as it should be)

Family > Church > Local Community > State > Fed. We seem to go straight Fed now.

3. I think he was talking more subversive than: Church helping people = Hitler, but most hate him so they won't read into it. Is he a Morman?

[Veretax]

Sorry to most of you but Beck is 100% right. "Social Justice" is a Communist/Socialist term for redistribute the wealth. It is a term that has been spread by the most anti-capitalist groups around and for some reason churches have begun to picked it up. They are either too blind to see that they have aligned themselves with the far left fringe or they are socialist themselves. Because Beck and other conservatives believe in the free market system and believe people should be able to keep the fruits of their labor, they don't support the social justice movement. Beck is not saying don't go to church, he is saying if your church is preaching social justice, you should be weary and maybe find another place to worship. I agree. To the OP, if your church is into the social justice thing believing you are simply trying to help the needy, then good for you but you should know you are standing with communists and socialists who could care less about the needy. All they want is to move away from freedom and capitalism and towards government control of everything and everyone and "social justice" is one of their tools.

Wow I think some people either didn't understand what you just wrote, or don't understand what beck was saying. I saw his program last week and I agree the term social justice has been used to essentially do the opposite of what it would seem to mean.

Its not actually about justice... It's about getting even with the White Majority primarily. As with Affirmitive action to the extreme, it is not about actually helping the down trodden or minority rise above his circumstances to stand on his own, but to drag the majority down to their level so we have equality of misery. (Isn't that what's happening in our school systems today?)