AsburySkinsFan Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Ok, Glenn Beck...before I thought you were just a really annoying blathering buffoon, now you're touching on my turf and I have two words for you Beck...and the first one isn't fit for print. http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/03/08/glenn-beck-urges-listeners-to-leave-churches-that-preach-social/ On his daily radio and television shows last week, Fox News personality Glenn Beck set out to convince his audience that "social justice," the term many Christian churches use to describe their efforts to address poverty and human rights, is a "code word" for communism and Nazism. Beck urged Christians to discuss the term with their priests and to leave their churches if leaders would not reconsider their emphasis on social justice."I'm begging you, your right to religion and freedom to exercise religion and read all of the passages of the Bible as you want to read them and as your church wants to preach them . . . are going to come under the ropes in the next year. If it lasts that long it will be the next year. I beg you, look for the words 'social justice' or 'economic justice' on your church Web site. If you find it, run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice, they are code words. Now, am I advising people to leave their church? Yes!" Later, Beck held up cards, one with a hammer and sickle and other with a swastika. "Communists are on the left, and the Nazis are on the right. That's what people say. But they both subscribe to one philosophy, and they flew one banner. . . . But on each banner, read the words, here in America: 'social justice.' They talked about economic justice, rights of the workers, redistribution of wealth, and surprisingly, democracy." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACW Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 My head hurts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rincewind Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 I hate when people lump communism and Nazis together. Dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 This really shouldn't come as a surprise to you. Religion is the enemy of hard liners everywhere. Either they get it on their side or they tell you it's bad. Social justice has been a thorn in the side of CONSERVATIVE Chistians for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temple Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 I find it chuckle-worthy that the props Beck uses to make his "Nazis on the right/Commies on the left" point are held in Beck's respective, corresponding hands--thus reversing his visual point to his television audience, i.e. Nazis on my right = your left, Commies on my left = your right. What a boob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOLASKINSFAN Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 now you're touching on my turf and I have two words for you Beck...and the first one isn't fit for print. take it back to your "turf" then... (pretty solid foundation there) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temple Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 I guess Mr. Beck's not too big a fan of that whole Sermon on the Mount thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCranon21 Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 @ Beck. Think I lost some brain cells reading what he was saying...jeez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy Burner Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Ok, Glenn Beck...before I thought you were just a really annoying blathering buffoon, now you're touching on my turf and I have two words for you Beck...and the first one isn't fit for print. It is not your turf. No one owns the Christian religion. I have no problem with you being angry at Beck - that is your right. The church was established by Christ - there is your "ownership". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Give it up, ASF. Everybody knows it is not the responsibility of churches or charities to care for the weak and needy. Religion's place is just to march in rallies. Help people, please! Before you go off spouting more nonsense like that ask yourself, WWJD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOLASKINSFAN Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 It is not your turf. No one owns the Christian religion. I have no problem with you being angry at Beck - that is your right. The church was established by Christ - there is your "ownership". +1 and I might add, Get off your high horse voluntarily- You won't like the alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 +1 and I might add, Get off your high horse voluntarily- You won't like the alternative. Nah, get off your own. For years we have heard conservatives opining about the welfare state and how it was not the job of the government to support the poor, needy, sick and destitute. Instead, that was the job of churches, synagogues, temples, mosques, and charities. Now, this conservative is saying that efforts to address poverty and to help people are the devil's (or at least the commie's or Nazi's work). It's quite absurd. Given the absurd amount of religious advocasy that is promoted by the right. This is the one area that churches ought to be attacking. Helping those who are poor needy and suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOLASKINSFAN Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Nah, get off your own. For years we have heard conservatives opining about the welfare state and how it was not the job of the government to support the poor, needy, sick and destitute. Instead, that was the job of churches, synagogues, temples, mosques, and charities. Now, this conservative is saying that efforts to address poverty and to help people are the devil's (or at least the commie's or Nazi's work). 1. Beck doesn't speak for all conservatives and I wasn't specifically addressing his comments I was talking to ASF. 2. Beck is referring to political buzzwords, he did not say The church should not help the poor and nothing in Beck's ideology would make a reasonable person think that is what his feelings are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Glenn Beck said something ignorant and divisive? No way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 2. Beck is referring to political buzzwords, he did not say The church should not help the poor and nothing in Beck's ideology would make a reasonable person think that is what his feelings are. Beck said that the church shouldn't get involved in "'social justice,' the term many Christian churches use to describe their efforts to address poverty and human rights" and said that churches that attempt to address poverty through their social justice programs is akin to being a Nazi or a Commie. Who is he to gainsay a pastor? Where are his theological credentials? Who is he to tell a church what it should do, how it should worship, or how a congregation should serve G-d? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unforgiven Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Glenn Beck is a nut, nothing new or surprising by him saying that. There are plenty of well-spoken and thoughtful Conservatives out there, but I generally find they aren't fans of Glenn Beck. (In all fairness, same can be said for the left and some of their more outspoken opinion-givers) It's unfortunate that so many people hold Beck and his ignorance in high regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostofSparta Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Beck is a tool. That said, there are many Christians who have gotten complacent about helping the poor, which is supposed to be our job as Christians (I'm not saying people of other religious persuasions can't, just that I don't belong to those religions, so don't start that tangent), because the government is seen as picking up the slack. After all, why should they spend their own precious time and money to help the poor when that's what welfare, food stamps, etc are for? I belong to a church that when something like Katrina or the earthqaukes in Haiti and Chile happen, our preacher says "Drop a little extra in the plate, donate supplies, and oh yeah we're organizing a relief trip (for NO, little harder to get to places like Haiti and Chile from up here, obviously) for those who want to help," and not "A tragedy has occured, call your congressman and yell at him for the government not responding the day before the tragedy occured!" Not that both can't happen, and since Christians have a say in government they should make sure they're interests and morals are represented. It's just always funny to see each side play the "Christianity" card when it suits them. The Democrats love to point out that Jesus would help the poor....but we need separation of church and state when Christians hate gay marriage and abortion. Republicans love to play up the reverse role of "vote against abortion and gay marriage....but the government has no place taking care of the poor!" So in summation: Beck is a tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokie4redskins Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Depends on the context. I went to a Spanish mass yesterday. During the "announcements" before the final blessing, they spent 15 minutes preaching about the evil of U.S. immigration policy. I kept thinking, "perhaps if they came here legally, it wouldn't be 'evil'." I've also heard of "support groups" which I presume are introductory courses on circumventing proper immigration protocols. There's no place for this in Church imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Depends on the context. I went to a Spanish mass yesterday. During the "announcements" before the final blessing, they spent 15 minutes preaching about the evil of U.S. immigration policy. I kept thinking, "perhaps if they came here legally, it wouldn't be 'evil'." I've also heard of "support groups" which I presume are introductory courses on circumventing proper immigration protocols. There's no place for this in Church imo. In the religious mind though, there are no borders and anything that causes hardship and suffering is evil. In a perfect Christian world I don't think there would be an immigration policy. We'd all be of one nation under G-d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolbeans Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Sorry to most of you but Beck is 100% right. "Social Justice" is a Communist/Socialist term for redistribute the wealth. It is a term that has been spread by the most anti-capitalist groups around and for some reason churches have begun to picked it up. They are either too blind to see that they have aligned themselves with the far left fringe or they are socialist themselves. Because Beck and other conservatives believe in the free market system and believe people should be able to keep the fruits of their labor, they don't support the social justice movement. Beck is not saying don't go to church, he is saying if your church is preaching social justice, you should be weary and maybe find another place to worship. I agree. To the OP, if your church is into the social justice thing believing you are simply trying to help the needy, then good for you but you should know you are standing with communists and socialists who could care less about the needy. All they want is to move away from freedom and capitalism and towards government control of everything and everyone and "social justice" is one of their tools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted March 8, 2010 Author Share Posted March 8, 2010 It is not your turf. No one owns the Christian religion. I have no problem with you being angry at Beck - that is your right. The church was established by Christ - there is your "ownership". Oh please, no one gets mad when I call it "my family" but when I talk about a personal ownership in the Kingdom of God people wig out all the while forgetting the REAL outrage that the tool Beck is committing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted March 8, 2010 Author Share Posted March 8, 2010 In the religious mind though, there are no borders and anything that causes hardship and suffering is evil. In a perfect Christian world I don't think there would be an immigration policy. We'd all be of one nation under G-d Exactly right, it is about the Kingdom of God not God's America, this is the whole problem that modern popular Christianity in this country is suffering from, it is blending faith plus nationality and economic ideology which is an awful combination, especially when you add in the party affiliation the whole thing makes me sick to my stomach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 None of the churches that I have ever attended used the term "social justice'? They all strongly advocated giving of oneself both in time and money, but not in the name of social justice but in the name of compassion for those in need. I think they are very different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted March 8, 2010 Author Share Posted March 8, 2010 Sorry to most of you but Beck is 100% right. Wow you simply couldn't be more wrong, social justice covers any number of areas, not just economic, and the fact that Beck is focusing on economic justice reveals his true motives. Social justice is about real justice and equality NOT about the forcible redistribution of wealth per some communist manifesto, and the fact that you think it is only serves to reveal how utterly misinformed you are. Beck is not saying don't go to church, he is saying if your church is preaching social justice, you should be weary and maybe find another place to worship. I agree. To the OP, if your church is into the social justice thing believing you are simply trying to help the needy, then good for you but you should know you are standing with communists and socialists who could care less about the needy. All they want is to move away from freedom and capitalism and towards government control of everything and everyone and "social justice" is one of their tools. This is total crap. What's more is I stand beside capitalists and communists alike for the kingdom of God its not like people who support social assistance programs are anti-God and the its utterly ridiculous to act like it is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted March 8, 2010 Author Share Posted March 8, 2010 None of the churches that I have ever attended used the term "social justice'?They all strongly advocated giving of oneself both in time and money, but not in the name of social justice but in the name of compassion for those in need. I think they are very different things. From the United Methodist website regarding social justice. The United Methodist Church has a long history of concern for social justice. Its members have often taken forthright positions on controversial issues involving Christian principles. Early Methodists expressed their opposition to the slave trade, to smuggling, and to the cruel treatment of prisoners. http://archives.umc.org/interior.asp?mid=1686 I guess Nazis were against the slave trade, and smuggling and I guess Stalin was against the cruel treatment of prisoners....:doh: Beck is an utter buffoon. Another link http://www.stmarkumc.org/ourworld/diversity/socialjusticestands.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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