The Church of Oprah Exposed

[chomerics]

Prophecies are coming true, people acting uglier, the world is getting worse. Students are now beating up teachers for goodness sake! But I guess what is "vogue" now is not "church", not "the Bible", but instead some popular, rich, talk-show host who is using her fame now to try to lead GAZILLIONS others in her spiritual direction. False teachers will abound in the end times. Just as prophesied. Quick! Close your eyes! There's that word again! (doesn't matter if the topic is relevant!)

It is a shame such an intelligent mind doesn't realize when it is being manipulated. . .I used to have a lot more respect for you georgia, but reading this thread has brought you down a few rungs on the ladder.

Think for yourself and don't let others do the thinking for you.

[chomerics]

The Bible says to protect Israel no matter what. The President who is a Christian knows this.

This is one of the most misguided statements I have ever seen on this board. I am simply amazed that you have come to the conclusion that the Bible says to protect Israel no matter what. Actually flabbergasted. . .I am impressed with the political power people have in this world to sway people, such as yourself into believing garbage like this.

[sly]

Prophecies are coming true, people acting uglier, the world is getting worse.

Not sure about the whole prophecy thing, but I definitely disagree with "the world is getting worse" comment. We are living in an information age, and the world has no doubt changed because of this (we basically known everything about anyone), but we are no worse as humans than we always were. Heck, we're probably living in a more tolerable and charitable time than the world has ever known. To say the world was a better place 100, 200, 500, 1,000, or even 1,000,000 years ago, is just not historically accurate.

[Coach Williams]

Speaking of things as silly as asking KB to be a mod...

:nutkick: :laugh:

[Guest sith lord]

I'm not an Oprah fan, but she has probably done more goodwill than everyone on this site combined. People need to stop hating.

[Guest sith lord]

of Satan perhaps..

Please explain. Why do you think of her as Satan?

[Jumbo]

:nutkick: :laugh:

No cheek-turning in that smilie. :laugh:

[The Sisko]

Welcome to my world folks. The Bible Belt is an "interesting" place to live.

Brilliant posts Destino and Liberty. The interesting thing to me with regard to all the end times blather is that most, if not all of the signs of the end times could apply to literally any era. It's the same trick the guys who claim to be channeling your dead Aunt uses. Using parlor tricks to develop policy that affects billions of people. Now there's a good idea.

[Brad89]

Not sure about the whole prophecy thing, but I definitely disagree with "the world is getting worse" comment. We are living in an information age, and the world has no doubt changed because of this (we basically known everything about anyone), but we are no worse as humans than we always were. Heck, we're probably living in a more tolerable and charitable time than the world has ever known. To say the world was a better place 100, 200, 500, 1,000, or even 1,000,000 years ago, is just not historically accurate.

Completely agree. There have always been evil people in the world. Hell, just read the bible. There are a lot of evil things in there.

The thing is, in the past, when evil things would happen - we wouldn't know about 1/2 of them(probably more). Now, with the internet and 24/7 news cycles, we know about almost everything we want to.

Also, it doesn't help that at the VERY least, 75% of the things reported on the news is negative.

[georgiaredskin]

This is one of the most misguided statements I have ever seen on this board. I am simply amazed that you have come to the conclusion that the Bible says to protect Israel no matter what. Actually flabbergasted. . .I am impressed with the political power people have in this world to sway people, such as yourself into believing garbage like this.

Well, at least you explained your previous post.

God encourages us to support and protect Israel.

Protecting Israel:

It is all throughout the Bible. I learned about it when I read the Bible nightly years ago. The people of Israel are favored by God. I always will support them because I want to receive more of His favor. If you read the Bible, REALLY read it front to back, it would be so obvious to you and you would cringe at the statement you just made. (and I DON'T mean if you went to church once in a blue moon).

Genesis 12:3 (New American Standard Bible)

(Talking about Jerusalem)

"I will bless those who bless you,

And the one who curses you I will curse

And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed."

Pastor John Hagee details it better than me:

http://www.jhm.org/ME2/Sites/dirmod.asp?sid=AFFD33FE6E484D178BCE8C3C991EEA26&nm=About+Us&type=faqs&mod=FAQs&mid=F1DC381E34834576AFAE6187F8CBC46F&tier=3&fid=B3C1D462511A4E349DCAC41224E6896E

http://www.jhm.org/ME2/Sites/dirmod.asp?sid=&type=gen&mod=Core+Pages&gid=27AAA6C53C0949FC85078AEDE43C4AA0&SiteID=8112722C039B4E508F0AB8552B898895

About President Bush:

The truth is I do not know how President Bush runs his foreign policy, his true motives, or what. IF he is coming from a Christian standpoint, that is what I was thinking. But in this day in age I question the motives of every leader-meaning, was it for oil? Are people behind him pushing the war for different reasons? I don't know enough to comment about it. That is why I don't say too much about it, because I truly have no idea. For goodness sakes I voted for Alan Keyes originally. Back off!

It is amazing how this thread became all about MY views on the war. That was in NO way the intention I had when I created it. I guess you had a "higher" opinion of me because I basically didn't speak my opinions on politics or on heavy things unless it had to do with the Redskins-just mushy gushy stuff. But that's okay, Chom. I do have a mind, a heart, and a soul, and I am not afraid to speak it-but I am also not too big to admit when I don't know enough about something to say that it is concrete-it is only my take on it. When my brother, only 2 years older than me, died a little over 4 months ago, I realized again how short life is and before I die I'm going to speak a few things about how I feel-one of them is about God. (don't worry I'm still not a big thread-starter)

Regardless of how many of you want to sing "what a wonderful world" this is, now vs then, I believe that this is just another sign. You can choose to open your eyes or close them. Put this in another forum, veer off topic, and tell me you think less of me. But no matter which way the war goes, or who is in power at this time or in the future, everything is happening just according to plan.

[Thiebear]

Don't bother to argue with Chomerics.. He's one of the militant atheists.

Will post only the worst will skimming over the best...

I have no issues with a leader using anything in their background as their believe/moral system. Religion in and of itself is a wonderful thing .. its the people that put themselves in charge of it over the years that have screwed it all up. To include those that allowed some things into the bible while omitting others.. what can you do..

To ask the question about "would you back someone that rules through the bible" or some such same thing is naive in thought. Has there been anyone NOT affected by it in some way?

Or are we arguing over degrees of which its done: Ignored vs. Sharia law type bible ruling .

[Destino]

are you really pulling these tidbits as proof that the world is better now?

Absolutely. Compassion has never been higher.

[Destino]

There was always evil. But back in my day, kids didn't go to schools shooting up everyone. Their worst crime was spitting dip in the water fountain at my school. Maybe smoking pot outside the building. Children killing their parents and grandparents. Street people not thinking TWICE about killing cops and the consequences. Yes thank you for pointing out that there is still sin in the world, and of course, that the devil's FAVORITE THING to do is put dissension in the church/to divide God's church and its people, which is stated CLEARLY in the Bible. You're quite good at a sermon. :thumbsup:

The problem with "back in the day" is that the US experienced a long period of "hide the problems". People didn't want to talk about what was really going on. Domestic abuse? Keep it quiet. Teen pregnancy? Just send her away. Rape your wife? Not legally possible... so rape away. Go further back and it's the wonderful moral era of institutional racism in which good christians engaged in some pretty incredibly hateful behavior. Let's not forget the lovely child workers and working poor time before employee rights and reform.

There has always been evil... but there is less now in our society. Crime is down and compassion is up. People care more and judge less than they used to.

Today we focus on sexual sins. Before we had crushing greed, massive organized crime/corruption, and much much higher crime rates then today.

[georgiaredskin]

The problem with "back in the day" is that the US experienced a long period of "hide the problems". People didn't want to talk about what was really going on. Domestic abuse? Keep it quiet. Teen pregnancy? Just send her away. Rape your wife? Not legally possible... so rape away. Go further back and it's the wonderful moral era of institutional racism in which good christians engaged in some pretty incredibly hateful behavior. Let's not forget the lovely child workers and working poor time before employee rights and reform.

There has always been evil... but there is less now in our society. Crime is down and compassion is up. People care more and judge less than they used to.

Today we focus on sexual sins. Before we had crushing greed, massive organized crime/corruption, and much much higher crime rates then today.

You brought up some very good points detailing your outlook, and I appreciate that. I love to know reasons why people think the way they do. Thank you.

I wouldn't say less evil in society, though. I know I have never heard of any student beating up a teacher. I lived in the time at high school after the time you talk about where things were "covered up". If that happened, everyone would know it. If anyone on here has ever heard of that when they went to high school (age 30 and above), I would love to know. Also, if there were any kids going to high school shooting teachers and students. Or postal workers going to their jobs shooting randomly at people. Those are the things I am targeting here.

[The Sisko]

The religious right would have us believe that we should "go back" to the America of our Founding Fathers in which Christianity ruled the day.

Wrong...

"The Christian right is trying to rewrite the history of the United States as part of its campaign to force its religion on others. They try to depict the founding fathers as pious Christians who wanted the United States to be a Christian nation, with laws that favored Christians and Christianity.

This is patently untrue. The early presidents and patriots were generally Deists or Unitarians, believing in some form of impersonal Providence but rejecting the divinity of Jesus and the absurdities of the Old and New testaments.

Thomas Paine was a pamphleteer whose manifestos encouraged the faltering spirits of the country and aided materially in winning the war of Independence:

I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of...Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all."

From:

The Age of Reason by Thomas Paine, pp. 8,9 (Republished 1984, Prometheus Books, Buffalo, NY)

George Washington, the first president of the United States, never declared himself a Christian according to contemporary reports or in any of his voluminous correspondence. Washington Championed the cause of freedom from religious intolerance and compulsion. When John Murray (a universalist who denied the existence of hell) was invited to become an army chaplain, the other chaplains petitioned Washington for his dismissal. Instead, Washington gave him the appointment. On his deathbed, Washinton uttered no words of a religious nature and did not call for a clergyman to be in attendance.

From:

George Washington and Religion by Paul F. Boller Jr., pp. 16, 87, 88, 108, 113, 121, 127 (1963, Southern Methodist University Press, Dallas, TX)

John Adams, the country's second president, was drawn to the study of law but faced pressure from his father to become a clergyman. He wrote that he found among the lawyers 'noble and gallant achievments" but among the clergy, the "pretended sanctity of some absolute dunces". Late in life he wrote: "Twenty times in the course of my late reading, have I been upon the point of breaking out, "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it!"

It was during Adam's administration that the Senate ratified the Treaty of Peace and Friendship, which states in Article XI that "the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."

From:

The Character of John Adams by Peter Shaw, pp. 17 (1976, North Carolina Press, Chapel Hill, NC) Quoting a letter by JA to Charles Cushing Oct 19, 1756, and John Adams, A Biography in his Own Words, edited by James Peabody, p. 403 (1973, Newsweek, New York NY) Quoting letter by JA to Jefferson April 19, 1817, and in reference to the treaty, Thomas Jefferson, Passionate Pilgrim by Alf Mapp Jr., pp. 311 (1991, Madison Books, Lanham, MD) quoting letter by TJ to Dr. Benjamin Waterhouse, June, 1814.

Thomas Jefferson, third president and author of the Declaration of Independence, said:"I trust that there is not a young man now living in the United States who will not die a Unitarian." He referred to the Revelation of St. John as "the ravings of a maniac" and wrote:

The Christian priesthood, finding the doctrines of Christ levelled to every understanding and too plain to need explanation, saw, in the mysticisms of Plato, materials with which they might build up an artificial system which might, from its indistinctness, admit everlasting controversy, give employment for their order, and introduce it to profit, power, and pre-eminence. The doctrines which flowed from the lips of Jesus himself are within the comprehension of a child; but thousands of volumes have not yet explained the Platonisms engrafted on them: and for this obvious reason that nonsense can never be explained."

From:

Thomas Jefferson, an Intimate History by Fawn M. Brodie, p. 453 (1974, W.W) Norton and Co. Inc. New York, NY) Quoting a letter by TJ to Alexander Smyth Jan 17, 1825, and Thomas Jefferson, Passionate Pilgrim by Alf Mapp Jr., pp. 246 (1991, Madison Books, Lanham, MD) quoting letter by TJ to John Adams, July 5, 1814.

James Madison, fourth president and father of the Constitution, was not religious in any conventional sense. "Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."

"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."

From:

The Madisons by Virginia Moore, P. 43 (1979, McGraw-Hill Co. New York, NY) quoting a letter by JM to William Bradford April 1, 1774, and James Madison, A Biography in his Own Words, edited by Joseph Gardner, p. 93, (1974, Newsweek, New York, NY) Quoting Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments by JM, June 1785.

Ethan Allen, whose capture of Fort Ticonderoga while commanding the Green Mountain Boys helped inspire Congress and the country to pursue the War of Independence, said, "That Jesus Christ was not God is evidence from his own words." In the same book, Allen noted that he was generally "denominated a Deist, the reality of which I never disputed, being conscious that I am no Christian." When Allen married Fanny Buchanan, he stopped his own wedding ceremony when the judge asked him if he promised "to live with Fanny Buchanan agreeable to the laws of God." Allen refused to answer until the judge agreed that the God referred to was the God of Nature, and the laws those "written in the great book of nature."

From:

Religion of the American Enlightenment by G. Adolph Koch, p. 40 (1968, Thomas Crowell Co., New York, NY.) quoting preface and p. 352 of Reason, the Only Oracle of Man and A Sense of History compiled by American Heritage Press Inc., p. 103 (1985, American Heritage Press, Inc., New York, NY.)

Benjamin Franklin, delegate to the Continental Congress and the Constitutional Convention, said:

As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion...has received various corrupting Changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his Divinity; tho' it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the Truth with less trouble." He died a month later, and historians consider him, like so many great Americans of his time, to be a Deist, not a Christian.

Somehow I like the Founding Father's version of things a bit better.

[.Guy.]

So people are actually getting angry at what Oprah is doing?

Wow. I mean what does it matter to you?

[motorhead]

So people are actually getting angry at what Oprah is doing?

Wow. I mean what does it matter to you?

and as DR. Phil would say" What we need to do here is stop getting angry"

[Mr. S]

So people are actually getting angry at what Oprah is doing?

Wow. I mean what does it matter to you?

nice, short and to the point. :applause:

It's just silly how worked up people get over religion. The athiests/non-Christians (and it's weird how those two groups seem to be on the same side lately) just preach openness and compassion to all. Yet the strong believers feel like they need to assert their religion openly.

I do not care if you are a Hindu or not. I'm sure I can find many passages in our religious tomes that say something to the effect of "believe in me and I will lead you". I just feel that other religious leaders were just as valid, Jesus being one of them.

[Zguy28]

Here's something interesting from Ben Witherington regarding Oprah that I found.

http://benwitherington.blogspot.com/2008/02/oprahs-new-age-jesus-xm-religion-course.html

Oprah's New Age Jesus XM Religion Course

James Foster sent me this article written by a man named Warren Smith (not to be confused with my friend Dr. Warren Smith who teaches Patristics at Duke Divinity School), who was a previous devotee of Williamson's 'Course in Miracles' sponsored and supported by Oprah. This summary is quite revealing, and what it reveals is a pantheistic religion offering self-salvation by following this course and repudiating what the Bible teaches. Note I have simply copied the following article, and I do not know why there are lines through some of the main unBiblical tenets listed towards the end of the article. See what you think about the article and its links

BW3

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Oprah and Friends" to teach course on New Age Christ

By Warren Smith

November 2007

Oprah Winfrey will be letting out all the stops on her XM Satellite Radio program this coming year. Beginning January 1, 2008, "Oprah & Friends" will offer a year-long course on the New Age teachings of A Course in Miracles. 1 A lesson a day throughout the year will completely cover the 365 lessons from the Course in Miracles "Workbook."

For example, Lesson #29 asks you to go through your day affirming that "God is in everything I see."2 Lesson #61 tells each person to repeat the affirmation "I am the light of the world." 3 Lesson #70 teaches the student to say and believe "My salvation comes from me." 4

By the end of the year, "Oprah & Friends" listeners will have completed all of the lessons laid out in the Course in Miracles Workbook. Those who finish the Course will have a wholly redefined spiritual mindset—a New Age worldview that includes the belief that there is no sin, no evil, no devil, and that God is "in" everyone and everything. A Course in Miracles teaches its students to rethink everything they believe about God and life. The Course Workbook bluntly states: "This is a course in mind training" 5 and is dedicated to "thought reversal." 6

Teaching A Course in Miracles will be Oprah's longtime friend and special XM Satellite Radio reporter Marianne Williamson—who also happens to be one of today's premier New Age leaders. She and Conversations with God author Neale Donald Walsch co-founded the American Renaissance Alliance in 1997, that later became the Global Renaissance Alliance of New Age leaders, that changed its name again in 2005 to the Peace Alliance. This Peace Alliance seeks to usher in an era of global peace founded on the principles of a New Age/New Spirituality that they are now referring to as a "civil rights movement for the soul." 7 They all agree that the principles of this New Age/New Spirituality are clearly articulated in A Course in Miracles—which is fast becoming the New Age Bible. So what is A Course in Miracles and what does it teach?

A Course in Miracles is allegedly "new revelation" from "Jesus" to help humanity work through these troubled times. This "Jesus"—who bears no doctrinal resemblance to the Bible's Jesus Christ—began delivering his channeled teachings in 1965 to a Columbia University Professor of Medical Psychology by the name of Helen Schucman.

One day Schucman heard an "inner voice" stating, "This is a course in miracles. Please take notes." 8 For seven years she diligently took spiritual dictation from this inner voice that described himself as "Jesus." A Course in Miracles was quietly published in 1975 by the Foundation for Inner Peace. For many years "the Course" was an underground cult classic for New Age seekers who studied "the Course" individually, with frie nds, or in small study groups.

As a former New Age follower and devoted student of A Course in Miracles, I eventually discovered that the Course in Miracles was—in reality—the truth of the Bible turned upside down. Not having a true understanding of the Bible at the time of my involvement, I was led to believe that A Course in Miracles was "a gift from God" to help everyone understand the "real" meaning of the Bible and to help bring peace to the world. Little did I know that the New Age "Christ" and the New Age teachings of A Course in Miracles were everything the real Jesus Christ warned us to watch out for. In Matthew 24 Jesus warned about false teachers, false teachings and the false "Christs" who would pretend to be Him.

When I left the New Age "Christ" to follow the Bible's Jesus Christ, I had come to understand that the "Jesus" of A Course in Miracles was a false "Christ," and that his Course in Miracles was dangerously deceptive. Here are some quotes from the "Jesus" of A Course in Miracles:

• "There is no sin. . . " 9 [ See note]
  
• A "slain Christ has no meaning ."10
  
• "The journey to the cross should be the last ' useless journey."11
  
• "Do not make the pathetic error of 'clinging to the old rugged cross.'" 12
  
• "The Name of Jesus Christ as such is but a symbol... It is a symbol that is safely used as a replacement for the many names of all the gods to which you pray."13
  
• "God is in everything I see." 14
  
• "The recognition of God is the recognition of yourself ."15
  
• "The oneness of the Creator and the creation is your wholenes s, your sanity and your limitless power." 16
  
• "The Atonement is the final lesson he [man] need learn, for it teaches him that, never having sinned, he has no need of salvation." 17
  

Most Christians recognize that these teachings are the opposite of what the Bible teaches . In the Bible, Jesus Christ's atoning death on the cross of Calvary was hardly a "useless journey." His triumph on the cross provides salvation to all those who confess their sin, accept Him and follow Him as their Lord and Saviour. His victory on the cross rings throughout the New Testament. It has been gloriously sung about in beloved hymns through the ages and is at the heart of our Christian testimony.

I found the Jesus of the Bible to be wholly believable as He taught God's truth and warned about the spiritual deception that would come in His name. The "Jesus" of A Course in Miracles reveals himself to be an imposter when he blasphemes the true Jesus Christ by saying that a "slain Christ has no meaning" and that we are all "God" and that we are all "Christ." It was by reading the Bible's true teachings of Jesus Christ that I came to understand how deceived I had been by A Course in Miracles and my other New Age teachings.

I was introduced to A Course in Miracles by Dr. Gerald Jampolsky's book Love is Letting Go of Fear . Jampolsky declared in his easy-to-read book how the teachings of A Course in Miracles had changed his life. As an ambassador for A Course in Miracles over the years, Jampolsky has been featured not only in New Age circles but at least twice on Robert Schuller's Hour of Power. While Schulle r introduced Jampolsky and his "fabulous" 18 Course in Miracles-based books to his worldwide television audience, it was Marianne Williamson's appearance on a 1992 Oprah Winfrey Show that really shook the rafters.

On that program, Oprah enthusiastically endorsed Williamson's book, A Return to Love: Reflections on the Principles of A Course in Miracles. Oprah told her television audience that Williamson's book about A Course in Miracles was one of her favorite books, and that she had already bought a thousand copies and would be handing them out to everyone in her studio audience. Oprah's endorsement skyrocketed Williamson's book about A C ourse in Miracles to the top of the New York Times bestseller list. Ironically, all of this was happening after I had left the Course and the New Age. In fact, I was doing the final editing on my book The Light That Was Dark that warned about the dangers of the New Age—and in particular A Course in Miracles.

After being introduced to the world on Oprah, Marianne Williamson has continued to grow in popularity and, as previously mentioned, has become one of today's foremost New Age leaders. Williamson credits Winfrey for bringing her book about A Course in Miracles before the world: "For that, my deepest thanks to Oprah Winfrey. Her enthusiasm and generosity have given the book, and me, an audience we would never otherwise have had." 19 In her 2004 book, The Gift of Change, Williamson wrote:

"Twenty years ago, I saw the guidance of the Course as key to changing one's personal life; today, I see its guidance as key to changing the world. More than anything else, I see how deeply the two are connected." 20

Thus the New Age teachings of A Course in Miracles are about to be taught by Marianne Williamson to millions of listeners on Oprah's XM Satellite Radio program. Listeners are encouraged to buy A Course in Miracles for the year-long course. An audio version of A Course in Miracles recited by Richard (John Boy Walton) Thomas is also available on compact disc.

Popular author Wayne Dyer told his PBS television audience that the "brilliant writing" of A Course in Miracles would produce more peace in the world. 21 Williamson's New Age colleague, Neale Donald Walsch, said his "God" stated that " the era of the Single Saviour is over"22 and that he ("God") was respo nsible for authoring the teachings of A Course in Miracles. 23

Meanwhile, Gerald Jampolsky's Course in Miracles-based book, Forgiveness, continues to be sold in Robert Schuller's Crystal Cathedral bookstore as Schuller prepares to host a January 17-19, 2008, "Rethink Conference" at his Crystal Cathedral.24

At this critical time in the history of the world, the New Gospel/New Spirituality is coming right at the world and the church with its New Age teachings and its New Age Peace Plan. But this New Age Peace Plan has at its deceptive core the bottom-line teaching from A Course in Miracles that "we are all one" because God is "in" everyone and everything. But the Bible is clear that we are not God (Ezekiel 28:2; Hosea 11:9). And per Galatians 3:26-28, our only oneness is in Jesus Christ—not in ourselves as "God" and "Christ." What Oprah and Marianne Williamson and the world will learn one day is that humanity's only real and lasting peace is with the true Jesus Christ who is described and quoted in the Holy Bible (Romans 5:1).

Oprah Winfrey's misplaced faith in Marianne Williamson and the New Age teachings of A Course in Miracles is a sure sign of the times. But an even surer sign of the times is that most Christians are not taking heed to what is happening in the world and in the church. We are not contending for the faith as the Bible admonishes us to do (Jude 3).

It is time for all of our Purpose-Driven and Emerging church pastors to address the real issue of the day. Our true Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is being reinvented, redefined, and blasphemed right in front of our eyes and hardly anyone seems to notice or care . If we want the world to know who Jesus Christ is, we need to a lso warn them about who He is not. There is a false New Age "Christ" making huge inroads into the world and into the church. The Apostle Paul said that "it is a shame" we have to even talk about these things, but talk about them we must (Ephesians 5:12-16).

If people want to follow Oprah Winfrey and the New Age "Christ" of A Course in Miracles they certainly have that right. But let them be warned that the New Age "Christ" they are following is not the same Jesus Christ who is so clearly and authoritatively presented in the pages of the Bible.

[Corcaigh]

It is time for all of our Purpose-Driven and Emerging church pastors to address the real issue of the day. Our true Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is being reinvented, redefined, and blasphemed right in front of our eyes and hardly anyone seems to notice or care

Those same people who are so concerned about New Age philosophies (preaching the reprehensible concept of peace and love for fellow man) are unconcered about the mega churches, their corruption and their prosperity gospel. Before they wage war on Oprah, how about they get their own house in order?

[Air Force Cane]

Is it really surprising that the Cult of Oprah backs the Cult of Barack Obama?!!

And the same folks who believe billionaire Oprah speaks for the middle class are the same idiots who believe Obama bin Lyin is a "new kind of politician"..

If by "new politician" you mean an Anti-American racist, then yeah- he is.

Other than that, they are both making millions from the stupidity of their sycophants.

[techboy]

Those same people who are so concerned about New Age philosophies (preaching the reprehensible concept of peace and love for fellow man) are unconcered about the mega churches, their corruption and their prosperity gospel. Before they wage war on Oprah, how about they get their own house in order?

Do you have any reason to believe that either Witherington or the author of the article he cites are turning a blind eye to doctrinal error within the church?

Because, while I have no specific information regarding those two, I know very well that many others very often decry both. Hank Hannegraff, for instance, runs CRI (Christian Research Institute), which alerts Christians to New Age ideas like The Secret in popular culture, and exposes doctrinal errors within Christianity (Hannegraff, for instance, wrote Counterfeit Revival.

Again, I don't know specifics on these two (or the original maker of the video), though I know of Dr. Witherington's work and I highly doubt he turns a blind eye to the propsperity gospel either, but my general experience is that your assertion is frequently wrong.

[Zguy28]

Those same people who are so concerned about New Age philosophies (preaching the reprehensible concept of peace and love for fellow man) are unconcered about the mega churches, their corruption and their prosperity gospel. Before they wage war on Oprah, how about they get their own house in order?

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=86668

Trust me, we're working on it.

PS. Oprah claims to be part of "our house." She's no different than Kenneth Copeland or any other person selling a heretical theology. Except that she has a lot more influence.:2cents:

[chomerics]

Don't bother to argue with Chomerics.. He's one of the militant atheists.

Hmmm Militant atheist, I would say atheist, but not militant. I just hate ignorance, if that is militant than so be it.

I have no issues with a leader using anything in their background as their believe/moral system. Religion in and of itself is a wonderful thing .. its the people that put themselves in charge of it over the years that have screwed it all up. To include those that allowed some things into the bible while omitting others.. what can you do..

ohh I don't know, not use a fictional book for making foreign policy decisions. what if a president believed in the rapture and wanted to do what he could to hasten the second coming?

I have no problem with religion in general, I have a problem with ignorance and ignoring how it has been used as a tool to manipulate the masses to do something politically motivated.

[Zguy28]

I have no problem with religion in general, I have a problem with ignorance and ignoring how it has been used as a tool to manipulate the masses to do something politically motivated.

Quit talking about John Hagee like that.