CrypticVillain Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 No one has Edge in their top 20? I thought the guy was great. I like judging wrestlers based on how much they can make me hate them...and for a long time i couldn't stand edge. Def not a top 10 but hes in my top 20. This. I'm sorry but Edge and HHH are probably the best two heels I have seen since I seriously started watching wrestling. They both make my top 20, shoot, they might be in my top 10. Kurt Angle gets some love from me too. He started off rough, but he hit a groove after a couple of years. Of course Rock and Stone Cold are 1/2 for me. Chris Jericho is in my top 5 probably. Undertaker is up there too. I know this is off topic a little bit, but man it kind of sucked that Muhammad Hassan had to go. He was a heel that got a lot of heat. It was just short lived. It was very unfortunate that things got out of control the way they did around that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Taze Me Bro Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 (edited) Top 10 of all time 1. Tully Blanchard 2. Ric Flair 3. Ricky Steamboat 4. Bret Hart 5. Barry Windham (might be the most underrated wrestler of all time) 6. Kurt Angle 7. Magnum TA (biggest "what if" in wrestling history) 8. Randy Savage 9. Sting 10. Shawn Michaels Best talkers of all time 1. Ric Flair 2. Dusty Rhodes 3. Jim Cornette 4. Arn Anderson 5. Piper 6. Hulk Hogan 7. Jimmy Hart 8. The Rock 9. Bobby Heenan 10. Jake the Snake Seems a little biased lol. Kurt Angle in the top 10? I just can't think of any "holy ****" matches with him or anything that was blockbuster. He was an excellent in ring technician, no doubt, excellent on the mic at times. Refresh my memory though, cause I'm old and it's been years, so I might not remember everything lol. Edit: Let me phrase this better, compared to most of the wrestlers everyone has listed in the top 10-15, I can't think of anything he's done that stood out to push him into the top 15, much less #6 overall. I know this is purely our opinions, so please don't take it as me being an ass or anything. I remember him having a really good feud with HHH and played a great heal. I'm looking for those PPV moments like Taker/Mankind, Edge's ladder matches, etc. Edited April 23, 2014 by Dont Taze Me Bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Seems a little biased lol. Kurt Angle in the top 10? I just can't think of any "holy ****" matches with him or anything that was blockbuster. He was an excellent in ring technician, no doubt, excellent on the mic at times. Refresh my memory though, cause I'm old and it's been years, so I might not remember everything lol. Whoa dude.... Amazing Angle matches off the top of my head: Him vs Lesnar - Ironman match in 2003 Vs Lesnar at WM 19 Vs Benoit on smackdown in either 2003 or 2004 Him vs Samoa Joe in TNA Angle has a case for top 5 in the last 15 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticVillain Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Man, Angle vs Michaels at Wrestlmaina was legit. That was easily one of the best matches I have ever seen. He had a good match against Gurrero at one WM too. And him and Samoa Joe went at it on TNA. Whoa dude....Him vs Lesnar - Ironman match in 2003 I forgot about that match. I think I am going to watch that later lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Taze Me Bro Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Whoa dude.... Amazing Angle matches off the top of my head: Him vs Lesnar - Ironman match in 2003 Vs Lesnar at WM 19 Vs Benoit on smackdown in either 2003 or 2004 Him vs Samoa Joe in TNA Angle has a case for top 5 in the last 15 years That would explain a lot, those occurred when I had taken a hiatus from watching wrestling. With the exception of the Samoa Joe feud in TNA, which I forgot about. I might have to check those out on PPV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Undertaker isn't anything special on the mic. On a side note, you know what's a great gimmick??? Los Matadores. I can think of all kinds of directions for them to take that baby, like wrestling 3MB every week for 6 months straight and then being fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I know he's taboo to mention, but Chris Benoit would be high on my technical wrestlers of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Taze Me Bro Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 (edited) Man, Angle vs Michaels at Wrestlmaina was legit. That was easily one of the best matches I have ever seen. He had a good match against Gurrero at one WM too. And him and Samoa Joe went at it on TNA. I forgot about that match. I think I am going to watch that later lol Yeah, I just posted above, I took a couple of years off and was only casually watching it, no PPVs though. I'll have to go back and watch some of the PPV matches. I'm watching No Way Out 2002 right now, I remember all the hype up to this. I think this might have been the point where I stopped watching religiously again, after this PPV. No doubt that he was one of the main reasons TNA got better and survived for as long as it did (and by survive, I mean remained watchable). Edited April 23, 2014 by Dont Taze Me Bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 (edited) Whoa dude.... Amazing Angle matches off the top of my head: Him vs Lesnar - Ironman match in 2003 Vs Lesnar at WM 19 Vs Benoit on smackdown in either 2003 or 2004 Him vs Samoa Joe in TNA Angle has a case for top 5 in the last 15 years Benoit at WM (Benoit pretty much everywhere lol, submission matches, singles matches, ladder matches) Shane McMahon epic Street Fight, KOTR '01 Angle/Michaels, WM 21 Angle/Taker/Rock triple threat match, Vengeance, '02 Angle/Jericho Angle/Guerrero One of the best in ring performers I've ever seen. He could have a good match with anybody. And DM now relinquishes his right to clown on anybody else after that homerific list of yours. I mean really, Hulk Hogan cut a better promo than The Rock? C'mon son Edited April 23, 2014 by Mr. Sinister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 (edited) Undertaker isn't anything special on the mic. On a side note, you know what's a great gimmick??? Los Matadores. I can think of all kinds of directions for them to take that baby, like wrestling 3MB every week for 6 month s straight and then being fired. Nah bro.YouTube his promos from days in the corporate ministry around summer 1999 and during the American Bad Ass days. I remember he told the Rock something like "I may not dress like Satan anymore but I'm still down with the devil lol" and also said. "I've crippled more people than polio. You can't be the first but you will be the next" He didn't need catch phrases to let you know you were getting your ass kicked Benoit at WM (Benoit pretty much everywhere lol, submission matches, singles matches, ladder matches) Shane McMahon epic Street Fight, KOTR '01 Angle/Michaels, WM 21 Angle/Taker/Rock triple threat match, Vengeance, '02 Angle/Jericho Angle/Guerrero One of the best in ring performers I've ever seen. He could have a good match with anybody. And DM now relinquishes his right to clown on anybody else after that homerific list of yours. I mean really, Hulk Hogan cut a better promo than The Rock? C'mon son Forgot about the Shane and HBK matches. Shane gave his all that nightBoth classics Edited April 23, 2014 by BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Taker may have not been special on the mic, but as "Big Evil/American Badass" he proved that he had a hell of a lot more range than the Deadman gimmick. He cut an epic promo before Armageddon '00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 You know who's a pretty good young guy on the mic is that Dean Ambrose. Also not mentioned yet... Shane Douglass was really strong on promos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 "I've crippled more people than polio. You can't be the first but you will be the next" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticVillain Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Yeah, I think I am one of the few who appreciates The American Bad Ass over The Deadman. This was a good segment. I love the Kurt Angle/Ric Flair "Woo Off" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT0YJPZbaXk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Forgot about the Shane and HBK matches. Shane gave his all that night Both classics Seriously, if I ever came out with a top 10 Street Fights list, that one would be near or at the top (I'd probably go Rock/Mankind Royal Rumble, for the sheer one sided brutality). Definitely a WTF match. He nearly killed Shane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.T.real,lights,out Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 This. I'm sorry but Edge and HHH are probably the best two heels I have seen since I seriously started watching wrestling. They both make my top 20, shoot, they might be in my top 10. Kurt Angle gets some love from me too. He started off rough, but he hit a groove after a couple of years. Yea, i loved to hate him. Would get so pissed every time the guy won. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Seems a little biased lol. Kurt Angle in the top 10? I just can't think of any "holy ****" matches with him or anything that was blockbuster. He was an excellent in ring technician, no doubt, excellent on the mic at times. Refresh my memory though, cause I'm old and it's been years, so I might not remember everything lol. Edit: Let me phrase this better, compared to most of the wrestlers everyone has listed in the top 10-15, I can't think of anything he's done that stood out to push him into the top 15, much less #6 overall. I know this is purely our opinions, so please don't take it as me being an ass or anything. I remember him having a really good feud with HHH and played a great heal. I'm looking for those PPV moments like Taker/Mankind, Edge's ladder matches, etc. Just my opinion, but Angle was one of the best in-ring performers I ever saw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 One of the most iconic moments of the attitude era was him missing that moon sault off the cage and breaking his arm He's one of the absolute greatest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 (edited) One of my dream matches is actually Kurt Angle v Bret Hart. That would be a wrestling clinic. I think I remember Hart saying that Angle was one of the few guys he would keep tabs on and watch perform every now and then Edited April 23, 2014 by Mr. Sinister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 The thing with Kurt is that he should have retired years ago. The fact that he still wrestles (I think lol. Haven't watched TNA in years) is insane. He's had more injuries than Greg Oden lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticVillain Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Yea, i loved to hate him. Would get so pissed every time the guy won. lol Yeah. HHH used to have me pissed man. Then Edge came and took that title lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 (edited) The thing with Kurt is that he should have retired years ago. The fact that he still wrestles (I think lol. Haven't watched TNA in years) is insane. He's had more injuries than Greg Oden lol He had some really good matches in TNA. He's slowed down now, but when he came he could still bring it. Edited April 23, 2014 by DM72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 He had some really good matches in TNA. He's slowed down now, but when he came he could still bring it. Definitely. I stopped watching around 2011 but before that Kurt was turning in great matches, I'm just worried about his long term health at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 The thing with Kurt is that he should have retired years ago. The fact that he still wrestles (I think lol. Haven't watched TNA in years) is insane. He's had more injuries than Greg Oden lol I stopped watching wrestling in late '04, but when I saw Angle years later, he looked to be in terrible shape compared to how I remember him in '99-'03. Just awful. Looked weathered and beaten like a drug addict Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Taze Me Bro Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 (edited) I stopped watching wrestling in late '04, but when I saw Angle years later, he looked to be in terrible shape compared to how I remember him in '99-'03. Just awful. Looked weathered and beaten like a drug addict He did lose his wife to JJ and still had to work with both of them for a while. I'm sure personal life issues along with his body taking a beating, plus probably pain killers (booze maybe), stress took a huge toll on his body. I have no speculation that he did pain killers/drugs/alcohol, but it seems like a lot of those guys go down that path hardcore. Edit: Just read that he had a couple of stops where he was driving under the influence, one was dropped though. Plus they found HGH in his car. And then there was the whole WWE steroid investigation where they said he had in possession steroids without a prescription, granted it was expired and he had neck issues. Edited April 23, 2014 by Dont Taze Me Bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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