Game Day Thread ~ Commanders vs. Da Bears - Got Mauled By The Bears!!!

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

4 minutes ago, Chachie said:

 

 

Certainly could be the case but I'm just getting a little weary of putting them on a pedestal. I see better players out there who get half the respect and acclaim. 

I get it- like I said, what’s the point in paying top of market $ without the production, even if it’s tied to the failures of everything else.

Edited October 6, 2023 by BatteredFanSyndrome

[FootballZombie]

No way does EB and the O get any kind of pass from me.

 

Blowouts are not only on the D alone. To go down 27-3 you need two things to happen.

1.) Your D has to fail to stop the other team

2.) Your O has to fail to put up points.

 

Both sides of the ball were flat out abysmal and were run out of their own building by a team that has not won a game in 14 weeks. The Bears O got whatever they wanted and we had like 50 yards of O in the first half. That was disgraceful. 

 

You don't get full credit on either side of the ball when you decide to get active after the other teams rolls their sweaty bodies off of you. We only got what we were allowed to have after the opponents got theirs.

 

This was probably the worst game I have seen from JDR and EB this year. Total clown show.

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

1 minute ago, FootballZombie said:

No way does EB and the O get any kind of pass from me.

 

Blowouts are not only on the D alone. To go down 27-3 you need two things to happen.

1.) Your D has to fail to stop the other team

2.) Your O has to fail to put up points.

 

Both sides of the ball were flat out abysmal and were run out of their own building by a team that has not won a game in 14 weeks. The Bears O got whatever they wanted and we had like 50 yards of O in the first half. That was disgraceful. 

 

You don't get full credit on either side of the ball when you decide to get active after the other teams rolls their sweaty bodies off of you. We only got what we were allowed to have after the opponents got theirs.

 

This was probably the worst game I have seen from JDR and EB this year. Total clown show.

If you look at how the first half transpired though, it’s hard for me to put that on offensive play calling.  Looked a lot more like poor execution against another team who wanted it A LOT more than we did.

[Warhead36]

2 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

If you look at how the first half transpired though, it’s hard for me to put that on offensive play calling.  Looked a lot more like poor execution against another team who wanted it A LOT more than we did.

There were a couple bad playcalls early.

 

The 3rd and inches on the 1st possession. Why are we handing it off at all? Just freaking sneak it man. Don't even do some tricky crap. Line up Logan Thomas straight up under center and sneak it. Don't overthink it.

 

I also hated the 2nd and long runs. There weren't many but I think there were one or two. They are worthless plays that almost as often lose more yards than gain any. Once its like 2nd and 12 your averages are better if you throw twice.

 

But beyond that yeah I don't think it was as much an EB issue as it was a failure to execute issue, by EVERYONE on offense, in the 1st half. Second half was better obviously but the Bears also probably played softer coverage.

[zCommander]

From NFL.com

 

1. The “Riverboat” nickname needs to be scuttled. After last week’s extra-point situation at game’s end, allowing the game to go to overtime (where Washington lost), Ron Rivera did not summon his old daring of yore in a critical point of this game. The Commanders came out strong in the third quarter, cutting the Bears’ lead to 27-11 after a three-minute TD drive and a two-point conversion. After a Bears three-and-out, the momentum had shifted. Howell led Washington on a gutsy drive, converting a few wild first downs. Yet on fourth-and-2 from the Chicago 13-yard line, Rivera opted to kick the field goal, turning a two-score game into a … two-score game. At that point, what’s the difference -- 16 points versus 13? You go for it there -- the old Rivera, the guy who earned that nickname, would have. The fans let him know they disagreed with the decision. It felt like a wasted drive, with Howell taking a beating. The Bears of course kicked their own field goal, and added a late TD. But the game takes on a different tone if it’s, let’s say, 27-19 with more than three minutes left in the third quarter.

[Warhead36]

There is no consistency in his decision making. Last week he doesn't go for 2 for the win, but then goes for 2 early last night. But then he turns around and kicks a meaningless FG down 16. He's like the drunk guy at the Blackjack table who will just randomly hit on 16 against dealer 5s but stay with 13 against a dealer ace while splitting 10s and not double downing on 11. Its just a random amalgamation of decisions with no real clear logical thought process.

[The Consigliere]

11 hours ago, BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 said:

lol what was his stat during the competitive portion of the game? 
 

come on. And yes he threw a pick 

I was positive he was good, so I checked the first half:

 

Drive 1: 1-1 for 4 yards

Drive 2: Scramble for a couple of yards, crappy run play, sacked. 

Drive 3: 5-7 for 32 yards

Drive 4: 0-1 interception

Drive 5: 3-4 for 35 yards, first half time expired as we reached Chicago 40 on 24 yard pass play.

 

First half: 9-12 for 71 yards with a pick. 

 

It aint him. At one point, while they were trying to close the gap he was 20 of 24, as in after 9 of 12, he completed 11 of his next 12 passes. 

 

It's not on him. 

 

The OL sucks, the Defense is once in a decade level bad through 5 games, and the coaches are dinosaur ron (which I called four years ago, he'd be good for chemistry and the locker room, and professionalism, but he's not cutting edge anything, and his hired, dinosaur jack del freaking rio, is and was high comedy) and his old cob web brained buddies, other than the new hire EB, and the day 1 and 2 draft picks have been comically stupid in general.

 

Howell is one of the few bright spots. So we'll ruin him. 

[Warhead36]

Like they said on Junkies earlier, Howell may not be amazing or anything but he is soooo far down the list of problems right now.

 

Lets put it this way: If we had this Sam Howell QB-ing for us for 17 games last year, or even the year before, we're in the playoffs.

[The Consigliere]

11 hours ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

Trent wanted out and there was no way Dan was giving him a new deal.

 

They offered z Scherff the richest guard contract in the NFL in multiple off seasons.  
 

I can’t blame anybody for not keeping those two around. 

 

‘
Moses was the crime.  They just let him go for really no reason.

 

Yep, Williams wasn't coming back, Scherff was leaving anyway and wasn't worth the injury risk anyway on a long term extension. The way to handle those departures was to stop wasting day one and day two picks idiotically on specialist reaches (A bull---- idiot Linebacker selection, a #2 WR (you don't use top draft picks on #2 WR's unless they're Tee Higgins level upside, I like Dotson and am glad they hit on him, he's solid, but he's not a guy you take in the top 20), and then a tiny ball hawking CB that was nowhere near as highly thought of Gonzalez because of system fit when your DC is a f---ing idiot who shouldn't have been hired in the first place and already wasted a top 15 asset on a specialist LB for his ---- system?!?!). 

 

They had years to address the OL, they made some decent moves, Leno was a great move, Stromberg was a good move, but while they were wasting picks left and right on linebackers, chain moving rb's, hybrid DB's, lollipop guild corners etc, the OL was going to hell and we still had no QB in house.

 

It's just been horrid team building forever, and it remains so. You need to find people that know what the hell they're doing with the build. Avoid looking at the QB's, since that's largely luck anyway, and look at builds that are sound and wise and highly efficient, hire our next GM and HC from orgs well acquainted with that, for instance Philly, few if any more consistently make the right and smart decision like Philly since Howie got control back of that franchise, swindling teams for picks, making golden looms with picks, stealing players that fell in their laps like we could have with Gonzalez, they did with that DL etc. We need a FO like that, cutting edge and efficient. Not from the 19 freaking 80s. 

11 hours ago, FootballZombie said:

I thought Howell had a good game.

 

I'm not gonna go ga-ga over the numbers since the vast majority came from being in a game where the score was 27-3, but Howell still made a bunch of good choices and good throws. Much more good than bad. He clearly was not one of the major issues tonight.

 

Its not fair to him to make him have to be superman every week. Dude was fighting for every inch and taking a ton of damage in a playcalling scheme that basically demanded it for any hope of success.

 

I mentioned elsewhere but he was 9-12 in the first half, and got better over time until the game was out of hand and he started forcing longer throws in the 4th quarter for big gainers. The guy was hitting on 80% of his throws through 3 quarters with a sieve OL, and the defense giving up a score nearly every possession going the other way. He aint the issue. Btw, if he's hitting on 80% of his passes, some short, you already have your run game right there. EB went away from the run at least in part because we gave up a TD, then a FG, then a TD, then a pick and another FG. Early in the 2nd quarter it was already 17-0. You're not running at that point, especially when your QB is hitting on 75-80% of your throws. 

[hail2skins]

I didn't have a big problem with the FG late in the 3rd quarter. At the time it seemed like we were generating a bit of momentum and while the FG still meant we're down 13, at least it alleviated the pressure of getting two-point conversions after TDs.

 

What is head scratching is after Slye missed the 46 yarder FG. Ron, you're down by two scores with 5:16 left, and you're on defense. You have to start using your time outs immediately. Instead he doesn't start to use them until after the SECOND down play. Of course, it was rendered moot by the Moore TD on 3rd down, but still. Where is the logic?

[PigskinPhat]

12 hours ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

Shut up you.  
 

That wasn’t the problem.  
 

The 10 rush attempts better 18 yards.  The rushes were drive killers.

 

The offense started to click when they realized they could pass on these jabronis and let Howell fling it.

 

Howell was not the problem.  Hell, the offense wasn’t even the problem, really.  
 

The defense being WORKED for the entire first half was the problem.  
 

Howell passed for 388 yards and 2 TDs. 37 of 51 for 74%
 

We were so far down so quickly, we did what we had to. 

 

 

10 rushes and 50+ passes? This is the NFL, u won’t win with that play selection. We were only down by 10 during the 4Q. You don’t run AT ALL?

[The Consigliere]

12 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

 good point that could be so

Im pretty sure Randall set the record in '86. I remember that being a 100+ sacks given up season. 

 

Yep, just checked. 104 sacks given up. Lazy twitter guy not looking beyond the last two decades. 

Edited October 6, 2023 by The Consigliere

[Warhead36]

3 minutes ago, PigskinPhat said:

10 rushes and 50+ passes? This is the NFL, u won’t win with that play selection. We were only down by 10 during the 4Q. You don’t run AT ALL?

We were down 27-3 in the 2nd half. The run game had 10 carries for 18 yards. We were facing a Bear secondary that was decimated and we needed chunks of yards and points fast.

 

I don't understand why people think running the ball more would be a magic cure all for our offense. Its not like we got Riggo and the Hogs.

[The Consigliere]

1 minute ago, The Consigliere said:

Im pretty sure Randall set the record in '86. I remember that being a 100+ sacks given up season. 

 

Yep, just checked. 104 sacks given up. Lazy twitter guy not looking beyond the last two decades. 

Oh I should correct myself. He's not lazy, just using a technicality. Randall was sacked 72 times in '86, but the eagles themselves gave up 104 sacks that year. So he's right, on a per person basis. 

[Skinsinparadise]

 

 

 

 

 

[PigskinPhat]

Running the ball keeps the defense honest and keeps them guessing. That extra seconds of hesitation can free up your  passing game.

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

5 minutes ago, PigskinPhat said:

Running the ball keeps the defense honest and keeps them guessing. That extra seconds of hesitation can free up your  passing game.

Generally speaking, sure.

 

But last nights tape didn’t lend itself to this theory.  The fact of the matter is on both sides of the trenches, the Bears wanted it a lot more than our guys did.  They would have preferred we run right into them.

[The Consigliere]

10 hours ago, mh86 said:

Still in disbelief that we let a team that was practically taking players out on stretchers and replacing them with fans walk all over us. Ah who am I kidding, not surprised at all.

 

It kinda makes sense if you think about it.

Game 1: Down 16-10 to what is supposed to be (not anymore) the worst team in the league, 16-10 with about 12 mins left (the only decent defensive performance this year).

Game 2: Down 21-3 to the horrific Donkeys after just 20 minutes.

Game 3: Beaten to a pulp 37-3, down 10-0 after first quarter more or less.

Game 4: One score game all game. An Exception.

Game 5: Down 17-0 after first 20 minutes. 

 

It's pretty consistent. We go down pretty early pretty big in all the games save the Arizona game, and the Philly game. The Arizona game isn't surprising, they knew the GM/Coach were tanking, and didn't realize they could be competent with Dobbs. The Eagle game is really the only game where we played better than expected throughout. Every other game we were underwhelming or horrible early on D.

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

Down 24 points…yeah let’s run the ball so the game ends quicker lol 

 

Some of you are beyond help at this point. Plz watch other games besides the disaster you get from Ashburn every week. The league has changed a bit since 1982.

[Idaho fan]

9 minutes ago, PigskinPhat said:

Running the ball keeps the defense honest and keeps them guessing. That extra seconds of hesitation can free up your  passing game.

Furthermore I think that "hesitation" also helps in pass pro.  One of the O-linemen was quoted as saying something about being concerned for Sam because of all the pass plays being called.  Sam won't make it to mid season at this rate.  Even in a game where we have to score a lot and quick I think you have to mix in a run on occasion.  There is a reason this number of straight pass plays is unheard of.

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

2 minutes ago, Idaho fan said:

Furthermore I think that "hesitation" also helps in pass pro.  One of the O-linemen was quoted as saying something about being concerned for Sam because of all the pass plays being called.  Sam won't make it to mid season at this rate.  Even in a game where we have to score a lot and quick I think you have to mix in a run on occasion.  There is a reason this number of straight pass plays is unheard of.

They are specifically talking about dropping him back after the loss is inevitable and having him take unnecessary hits.

 

I am not anti-run the ball, in fact I felt that was what the doctor ordered early in the Buffalo game and they failed to dial it up.  Last night though, I don’t think the run game was a viable option.

[The Consigliere]

When you're QB is hitting on 80% of his throws, and your run game is sub even 2.0 yards per carry, and you're defense is giving up a score to open the game on 4 straight possessions, you aren't going to run the ball much unless you're a raging moron. Worth noting, after opening with a 5 yard run, Robinson gained 5 yards on his next 5 carries. The only guy gainings yards rushing the ball was Howell. Maybe if we give Robinson the ball more, we just lose 30-10 instead of 40-20, and he goes 10-20 instead of 6-10. I just don't see how it matters. It was odd to not see the occasional draw play, but considering how accurate Howell was, particularly with his dump offs, they were going w/the more efficient approach to try and cut down an early 0-17 deficit. Didn't work, but it did bring us within 10 points in yet another comeback until the defense collapsed for good after Ron choked that 4th and 2. 

[Koolblue13]

It's not just that we abandon the run as quickly as possible, it's that the run calls and timing of them are bad.

 

Defenses know they can just tee off on Howell as much as they want and don't have to defend anything else. 

 

Which is probably one of the reasons that our WRs can't get open to save their lives.

[tomwvr]

1 hour ago, Warhead36 said:

There were a couple bad playcalls early.

 

The 3rd and inches on the 1st possession. Why are we handing it off at all? Just freaking sneak it man. Don't even do some tricky crap. Line up Logan Thomas straight up under center and sneak it. Don't overthink it.

 

I also hated the 2nd and long runs. There weren't many but I think there were one or two. They are worthless plays that almost as often lose more yards than gain any. Once its like 2nd and 12 your averages are better if you throw twice.

 

But beyond that yeah I don't think it was as much an EB issue as it was a failure to execute issue, by EVERYONE on offense, in the 1st half. Second half was better obviously but the Bears also probably played softer coverage.

When chicago ran on 2nd and long they got 7-8 yards. Perhaps our defense is so bad in practice that we get the same type of results against them with our offense…

44 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

 

 

 

Barton needs to be cut.

[Skinsinparadise]