Official Offensive Line Thread

[HTTRDynasty]

 

[HTTRDynasty]

Back to back posts 4 days later?  Why not?

 

 

[Koolblue13]

12 hours ago, HTTRDynasty said:

Back to back posts 4 days later?  Why not?

 

 

I feel like that kind of thing starts to happen when your franchise turns a corner and becomes good and popular. 

[Always A Commander Never A Captain]

Was this a 1 practice thing or the whole OTA's thing?

 

• Starting LT - Trent Scott
• Starting RT - Andrew Wylie
• Backup LT - Brandon Coleman
• Backup RT - Cornelius Lucas

[Going Commando]

I read somewhere that Wylie was playing guard in OTA practices, but I can't remember the source.  Anyone know if this is true?

[AlwaysBeRedskins2Me]

11 hours ago, Going Commando said:

I read somewhere that Wylie was playing guard in OTA practices, but I can't remember the source.  Anyone know if this is true?

That's crazy. He's such a fantastic, elite, incredible right tackle!

[TheShredder]

11 hours ago, Going Commando said:

I read somewhere that Wylie was playing guard in OTA practices, but I can't remember the source.  Anyone know if this is true?

Yeah, Ron Rivera left a Post-It Note (source).

17 minutes ago, AlwaysBeRedskins2Me said:

That's crazy. He's such a fantastic, elite, incredible right tackle!

[Warhead36]

Would love to lock Cosmi up long term now but I think he's betting on himself to have a Pro Bowl/All Pro type season and then REALLY break the bank.

[method man]

1 hour ago, Warhead36 said:

Would love to lock Cosmi up long term now but I think he's betting on himself to have a Pro Bowl/All Pro type season and then REALLY break the bank.

I bet it is the staff has to “get to know him” BS. Same approach they took with Sweat last year, which resulted in his value exploding during the actual season.

 

Give Cosmi Jonah Jackson money now

[Conn]

2 hours ago, method man said:

I bet it is the staff has to “get to know him” BS. Same approach they took with Sweat last year, which resulted in his value exploding during the actual season.

 

Give Cosmi Jonah Jackson money now

I agree that I’d like to pull a Howie Roseman and resign Cosmi now. 
 

The Sweat situation was different because that was a dead duck regime who couldn’t allocate huge amounts of future cap, but also couldn’t have their authority stepped on by Harris or his advisors because Harris was very deliberately making a point to all GM and HC candidates out there that he wouldn’t interfere in his NFL team operations, same as his other sports. So that contract was basically never getting done here, but they knew their only tiny chance to maybe get a shot to keep their jobs was to go all-in with the future retool effort by trading the assets they’d already fumbled for 3-4 years (Sweat & Young). Harris didn’t force them to but they knew they basically had to. JDR in particular wasn’t happy about it down the stretch but he had no decision-making power. But you can tell it was a Rivera-trying-to-appease-Harris-but-not-strong-armed-into-it move bc otherwise Rivera would have leaked to Mike Silver that Harris was taking away their chance to win to make himself look good. Instead he wanted to appear to be a team player, but nothing could save him. 

 

Anyways, the contract Sweat eventually signed was larger than it “needed” to be though because the Bears had given up all leverage trading for him, they HAD to extend him or just lose the draft pick for 7 games of production or whatever in a mediocre non-playoff season. Sweat’s agent feasted on them. He’s very good, he’s not elite. 

[Koolblue13]

3 hours ago, method man said:

I bet it is the staff has to “get to know him” BS. Same approach they took with Sweat last year, which resulted in his value exploding during the actual season.

 

Give Cosmi Jonah Jackson money now

That's the kind of dumb bull**** RonMart pulled with Trent, before he deconstructed a very good line.

 

Quinn has game planned and played against Cosmi. He knows who he is. He was very good last year playing with 4 below par players.

 

He played next to Gates, who might have been the worst starting center last year and still shinned. 

[Warhead36]

Its very likely that Cosmi's agent is telling him to not agree to any deal right now because he's on the verge of a real breakout and can really make big money if he waits a year. I mean, that's what I would do. And it could also very well be that Cosmi doesn't mesh with the new regime for whatever reason and wants a shot at greener pastures.

 

 

[mudhog]

On 6/7/2024 at 1:55 PM, Koolblue13 said:

That's the kind of dumb bull**** RonMart pulled with Trent, before he deconstructed a very good line.

 

Quinn has game planned and played against Cosmi. He knows who he is. He was very good last year playing with 4 below par players.

 

He played next to Gates, who might have been the worst starting center last year and still shinned. 

I totally agree with the fact that they know exactly how special Cosmi is at his position and to this franchise. I think Blackburn is working on his new contract as we speak and will extend him here very soon for 20.2mil a year for 4yrs. Just my guess.

Edited June 9 by mudhog

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

On 6/7/2024 at 2:59 PM, Warhead36 said:

It’s very likely that Cosmi's agent is telling him to not agree to any deal right now because he's on the verge of a real breakout and can really make big money if he waits a year. I mean, that's what I would do.

 

 

Definitely this.

[method man]

On 6/7/2024 at 12:46 PM, Conn said:

I agree that I’d like to pull a Howie Roseman and resign Cosmi now. 
 

The Sweat situation was different because that was a dead duck regime who couldn’t allocate huge amounts of future cap, but also couldn’t have their authority stepped on by Harris or his advisors because Harris was very deliberately making a point to all GM and HC candidates out there that he wouldn’t interfere in his NFL team operations, same as his other sports. So that contract was basically never getting done here, but they knew their only tiny chance to maybe get a shot to keep their jobs was to go all-in with the future retool effort by trading the assets they’d already fumbled for 3-4 years (Sweat & Young). Harris didn’t force them to but they knew they basically had to. JDR in particular wasn’t happy about it down the stretch but he had no decision-making power. But you can tell it was a Rivera-trying-to-appease-Harris-but-not-strong-armed-into-it move bc otherwise Rivera would have leaked to Mike Silver that Harris was taking away their chance to win to make himself look good. Instead he wanted to appear to be a team player, but nothing could save him. 

 

Anyways, the contract Sweat eventually signed was larger than it “needed” to be though because the Bears had given up all leverage trading for him, they HAD to extend him or just lose the draft pick for 7 games of production or whatever in a mediocre non-playoff season. Sweat’s agent feasted on them. He’s very good, he’s not elite. 

It’d be interesting to get the inside baseball on what Sweat was asking for during camp last year. In retrospect, he was hamstrung by the lack of creativity in the defensive scheme here. He had however proven scheme versatility as he was effective as a stand up pass rusher pre Ron and as a hand in the ground end during the Ron era.

 

I think up to a $20M AAV would’ve been fine at the time. He had proven he was a 8-9 sack season a player over a full season who could provide you with great run defense. He also proved in 2022 that he could be your primary end if needed for a top 10 defense

 

Finding the high caliber EDGE is likely going to be as difficult for us as finding the high caliber LT. We’ll probably have to draft high or trade for this player- the Texans really lucked out that Hunter was able to hit FA unencumbered by a franchise tag

[Koolblue13]

I was really really high on Sweat and wanted to keep him, but the value was too high not to accept that trade, when you're going tnto a rebuild year. 

 

I think Sainristil and Sinnott are also going to be absolute studs, so that eases the pain of losing him.

[Warhead36]

1 hour ago, Koolblue13 said:

I was really really high on Sweat and wanted to keep him, but the value was too high not to accept that trade, when you're going tnto a rebuild year. 

 

I think Sainristil and Sinnott are also going to be absolute studs, so that eases the pain of losing him.

Yeah I agree. Sweat's a damn good player that underachieved here because of terrible coaching and organizational culture, but you simply can not pass up a high 2nd round pick for a guy who is gonna be a FA.

 

Value wise, we spent two 2nds on Sweat essentially, got five years of mostly quality play out of him, and then managed to salvage one of those 2nds back. For as bad as the Rivera regime was at asset maximization and playing the value game, they actually did quite well here. Although I'm gonna give more credit to Josh Harris and possibly Eugene Shen as well being the analytics guy.

[Koolblue13]

3 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Yeah I agree. Sweat's a damn good player that underachieved here because of terrible coaching and organizational culture, but you simply can not pass up a high 2nd round pick for a guy who is gonna be a FA.

 

Value wise, we spent two 2nds on Sweat essentially, got five years of mostly quality play out of him, and then managed to salvage one of those 2nds back. For as bad as the Rivera regime was at asset maximization and playing the value game, they actually did quite well here. Although I'm gonna give more credit to Josh Harris and possibly Eugene Shen as well being the analytics guy.

If Harris and Shen weren't here, we would have turned it down and Sweat would have walked for nothing. It was basically the first time we knew big change had started.

[srtman04]

1 hour ago, Koolblue13 said:

If Harris and Shen weren't here, we would have turned it down and Sweat would have walked for nothing. It was basically the first time we knew big change had started.

 

I cannot stress enough how important it is to have Eugene Shen here.   He's literally the catalyst for every move we've made this offseason.    If we succeed, he's directly linked to that success.   

[method man]

2 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

Yeah I agree. Sweat's a damn good player that underachieved here because of terrible coaching and organizational culture, but you simply can not pass up a high 2nd round pick for a guy who is gonna be a FA.

 

Value wise, we spent two 2nds on Sweat essentially, got five years of mostly quality play out of him, and then managed to salvage one of those 2nds back. For as bad as the Rivera regime was at asset maximization and playing the value game, they actually did quite well here. Although I'm gonna give more credit to Josh Harris and possibly Eugene Shen as well being the analytics guy.

Yep the trade was key not only ton salvaging value but also making this job more attractive to Peters by giving him another top 40 pick to work with. I think I’d rather have Sweat + the SEA 3rd vs Sainristil and Sinnott but something is definitely better than nothing

 

It’s too bad Chase has a knee that is in the condition it is in. If it weren’t for that, I think we could’ve gotten the CHI 2nd for him and have kept Sweat or gotten the ATL 2nd and a Day 3 pick for Sweat

[Always A Commander Never A Captain]

48 minutes ago, method man said:

Yep the trade was key not only ton salvaging value but also making this job more attractive to Peters by giving him another top 40 pick to work with. I think I’d rather have Sweat + the SEA 3rd vs Sainristil and Sinnott but something is definitely better than nothing

 

It’s too bad Chase has a knee that is in the condition it is in. If it weren’t for that, I think we could’ve gotten the CHI 2nd for him and have kept Sweat or gotten the ATL 2nd and a Day 3 pick for Sweat

 

The offers for Chase were influenced by more than just the knee.

[method man]

45 minutes ago, Always A Commander Never A Captain said:

 

The offers for Chase were influenced by more than just the knee.

I guess it was the neck too. If it weren’t for the physical condition, I strongly feel we would’ve gotten a 2nd despite the pot use

[ntotoro]

18 minutes ago, method man said:

I guess it was the neck too. If it weren’t for the physical condition, I strongly feel we would’ve gotten a 2nd despite the pot use

 

Or the on-field performance...

[method man]

3 hours ago, ntotoro said:

 

Or the on-field performance...

He was having a solid season before we traded him. 5 sacks in 7 games with a high pressure rate. Yes he was undisciplined and inconsistent as a run defender but, with his pedigree, a fully healthy CY gets you a 2nd

[Darrell Green Fan]

On 6/1/2024 at 2:16 PM, HTTRDynasty said:

 

 

That was a very impressive collection of plays from Cosmi. Thanks for this, makes me feel better