Renegade7 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 (edited) Love to see Mike Evans here, looks like he might walking for free. At his age, wouldn't be shocked at a regress, but even a couple years of him going downward paired with Dotson and Terry would be a lethal WR core because of how good Evans is currently. Edited February 20 by Renegade7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 10 hours ago, Warhead36 said: Were not getting quality vets on cheap 1 year deals. They can get that from contenders. Were better off targeting guys like Ronald Darby in 2020 and Deandre Carter and Jd Mckissic in 2021. Unheralded guys thatll take a 1 year deal with anyone to try to make more in 2025. Not sure I like that approach now, we should have higher standards than that. This isn’t Dan begging for FA anymore, so none of this ‘they’ll take a 1 year deal with anyone’ line IMO. I do expect players with links to Peters/Quinn and the coordinators more than anything in those type of deals. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrFan Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 (edited) 9 hours ago, Renegade7 said: Love to see Mike Evans here, looks like he might walking for free. At his age, wouldn't be shocked at a regress, but even a couple years of him going downward paired with Dotson and Terry would be a lethal WR core because of how good Evans is currently. Bring him in to play and mentor our receivers and rookies. I'm not sure our FO is interested since I don't read any rumors linking us with him. Edited February 20 by FrFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 I see the Texans making a run at Evans. What’s he getting, 75mil over 3 seasons say, more/less ? Not sure I see us making that move. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Evans goes to the Texans or Ravens IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Mclaurin and Dotson dont need a mentor and Evans will wanna go somewhere he can win and play with an established QB. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 (edited) Assuming Winfield is out, my guys at safety are McKinney and then Dugger. Kam Curl is very popular among the local media as to we need to bring him back no matter the price. I disagree. For starters, his dad saying he deserves to be the highest paid safety puts me off. Curl is a good player but two things about him IMO make me question whether he's great. 1. He doesn't make game changing plays. He doesn't pick off the ball. 2. Supposedly he's not a hot communicator in the backfield -- he's no Ed Reed who helps call the defense. So Curl is really good tackler and consistent performer but he's not in my opinion a break the bank for safety. Curl hasn't had a pick since his rookie season. I basically half a season Quan Martin already almost has the same number of career picks as Curl. Matt Bowen below picking matches to schemes https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/39531864/2024-nfl-free-agency-best-team-fits-ranking-top-50-players-available-offseason 25. Kyle Dugger, S Best team fit: Washington Commanders Slotting the versatile Dugger into Dan Quinn's defense makes a lot of sense. With his rare position versatility at 6-foot-2 and 228 pounds, Dugger can be deployed at multiple levels in sub-package personnel to create impact production. Over four pro seasons with New England, Dugger has 343 tackles, 9 interceptions, 2 forced fumbles and 2.5 sacks. Edited February 20 by Skinsinparadise 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillBill26 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: Assuming Winfield is out, my guys at safety are McKinney and then Dugger. Kam Curl is very popular among the local media as to we need to bring him back no matter the price. I disagree. For starters, his dad saying he deserves to be the highest paid safety puts me off. Curl is a good player but two things about him IMO make me question whether he's great. 1. He doesn't make game changing plays. He doesn't pick off the ball. 2. Supposedly he's not a hot communicator in the backfield -- he's no Ed Reed who helps call the defense. So Curl is really good tackler and consistent performer but he's not in my opinion a break the bank for safety. Curl hasn't had a pick since his rookie season. I basically half a season Quan Martin already almost has the same number of career picks as Curl. Matt Bowen below picking matches to schemes https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/39531864/2024-nfl-free-agency-best-team-fits-ranking-top-50-players-available-offseason 25. Kyle Dugger, S Best team fit: Washington Commanders Slotting the versatile Dugger into Dan Quinn's defense makes a lot of sense. With his rare position versatility at 6-foot-2 and 228 pounds, Dugger can be deployed at multiple levels in sub-package personnel to create impact production. Over four pro seasons with New England, Dugger has 343 tackles, 9 interceptions, 2 forced fumbles and 2.5 sacks. Spotrac has Dugger earning 16.5 mil per year over 4 years. Higher than I expected. If we are giving out big deals like that, I'd rather it be OT, LB, DE. Not happy to see the news that the cap will be higher than expected, giving teams a little extra to work with. I am hoping we can score one of McKinney, curl, or Dugger at a palatable price before settling in the next tier of stone / fuller / whitehead who are less impactful and project to more FS than SS. Edit: as @Est.1974 mentioned J Kearse, he probably makes the most sense as a plan B at S if those top 3 are too expensive. Short deal and work on longer term solution in a year or two. Edited February 20 by KillBill26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: 25. Kyle Dugger, S Best team fit: Washington Commanders Slotting the versatile Dugger into Dan Quinn's defense makes a lot of sense. With his rare position versatility at 6-foot-2 and 228 pounds, Dugger can be deployed at multiple levels in sub-package personnel to create impact production. Over four pro seasons with New England, Dugger has 343 tackles, 9 interceptions, 2 forced fumbles and 2.5 sacks. Yep agree. Dugger in, let Curl walk. Jayron Kearse was also a big favourite of Quinn/Whitt Edited February 20 by Est.1974 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 1 hour ago, Warhead36 said: Mclaurin and Dotson dont need a mentor and Evans will wanna go somewhere he can win and play with an established QB. Yall are so damn inconsistent sometimes. Wasn't too long ago we desperately needed a #1 WR. There's about to be one on the market and now we don't need one? What you're saying was true months ago, as would be the case for anyone at his level of play at that position. Lamar is trash, though, and it's hard to argue Stroud is established after only one season, no matter how good it was. There's going to be more granularity and specifics around our "problem" then options, so if it's a need that can wait then right now it's a want. It can't be both at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 4 minutes ago, Renegade7 said: Yall are so damn inconsistent sometimes. Wasn't too long ago we desperately needed a #1 WR. There's about to be one on the market and now we don't need one? What you're saying was true months ago, as would be the case for anyone at his level of play at that position. Lamar is trash, though, and it's hard to argue Stroud is established after only one season, no matter how good it was. There's going to be more granularity and specifics around our "problem" then options, so if it's a need that can wait then right now it's a want. It can't be both at the same time. I'd love Evans. But not at this stage in our team building. He's older and more expensive. You don't spend that kind of money on a veteran on the decline(but still good)WR at this stage of our team building. And again, my premise is that...he's not going to want to come here. He can get money from a contender. He's gonna go to Houston or Green Bay or Baltimore or some place like that where he can play with an established QB for the remainder of his career. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samy316 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Warhead36 said: I'd love Evans. But not at this stage in our team building. He's older and more expensive. You don't spend that kind of money on a veteran on the decline(but still good)WR at this stage of our team building. And again, my premise is that...he's not going to want to come here. He can get money from a contender. He's gonna go to Houston or Green Bay or Baltimore or some place like that where he can play with an established QB for the remainder of his career. This. We don't have a QB at the moment who will attract a big time FA WR like Mike Evans to come to this team. In order for him to sign with us (and remember, FA is more than a month before the draft), we would have to probably offer him more money than other teams that he would likely sign with (like GB or Baltimore) AND we would probably have to telegraph our draft and FA plans to a big time FA like Mike Evans, because we would need to be solid at QB before he would even talk to us. I don't see Mike Evans signing here, unless we let him know straight up that we're taking a QB at #2, OR we sign a FA QB like Kirk Cousins. If we do neither, Mike Evans most likely wouldn't want to come here. I'd also push back on the notion that he's in decline. He's still a Top 10 WR in my opinion (and closer to Top 5 when healthy). He's definitely a money WR, and I think he has at least 3-4 years left of high end production. Edited February 20 by samy316 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 25 minutes ago, Est.1974 said: Yep agree. Dugger in, let Curl walk. Jayron Kearse was also a big favourite of Quinn/Whitt And would be substantially cheaper and a shorter-term deal. I think I speculated earlier a 3 year, $18m deal could get Kearse. 22 minutes ago, Renegade7 said: Yall are so damn inconsistent sometimes. Wasn't too long ago we desperately needed a #1 WR. There's about to be one on the market and now we don't need one? What you're saying was true months ago, as would be the case for anyone at his level of play at that position. Lamar is trash, though, and it's hard to argue Stroud is established after only one season, no matter how good it was. There's going to be more granularity and specifics around our "problem" then options, so if it's a need that can wait then right now it's a want. It can't be both at the same time. If Evans was 26, then I would consider it. Evans is 30/31, about to hit the WR cliff (where literally nobody is immune). It's simply a terrible signing. We may want to turn around quickly, but $25m for 2-3 years is Dan Snyder 2000 move all over again. Makes NO sense on a team with 2 good WRs in rebuild mode and a lot of help needed elsewhere. Fortunately he won't have any interest in coming here. And fortunately our front office is smarter than that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 20 minutes ago, Warhead36 said: I'd love Evans. But not at this stage in our team building. He's older and more expensive. You don't spend that kind of money on a veteran on the decline(but still good)WR at this stage of our team building. And again, my premise is that...he's not going to want to come here. He can get money from a contender. He's gonna go to Houston or Green Bay or Baltimore or some place like that where he can play with an established QB for the remainder of his career. On the surface this all makes sense, it really does. But his receptions and yards have been going up the last 3 season, not down, and he had twice as TDs this season compared to last. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/EvanMi00.htm If he does fall off a cliff it won't be in the next 2-3 years, which is what a smart franchise would sign him to. And if we're going to say Stroud and Love are established QBs, that may speak to what HIS options really are. Already having a ring should also play a factor here, he doesn't have to ring chase, and I haven't seen that he's willing to take a certain contract or even specify he's shooting for an immediate contender. Nor has Harris said he wants to take his time building one. This may finally look like a rebuild, but if we hit on QB, it could be a quick one, jus like Houston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 1 minute ago, Renegade7 said: On the surface this all makes sense, it really does. But his receptions and yards have been going up the last 3 season, not down, and he had twice as TDs this season compared to last. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/EvanMi00.htm If he does fall off a cliff it won't be in the next 2-3 years, which is what a smart franchise would sign him to. And if we're going to say Stroud and Love are established QBs, that may speak to what HIS options really are. Already having a ring should also play a factor here, he doesn't have to ring chase, and I haven't seen that he's willing to take a certain contract or even specify he's shooting for an immediate contender. Nor has Harris said he wants to take his time building one. This may finally look like a rebuild, but if we hit on QB, it could be a quick one, jus like Houston. Fall offs aren't always gradual, they can be sudden. Look at Julio Jones as one example. With that said, I do think he's still a good player and don't see a drop off just yet, but the possibility is there, and you'd have to pay a LOT to get him. The fact is, he isn't going to want to come here unless we overpay by a TON, and I don't see that happening with Peters and the new regime. And it doesn't make sense for us either. That much money would be better spent filling up other holes with cheaper, more short term options while we rebuild our core. And that isn't even factoring in that we've already spent a lot on McLaurin(who also isn't really that young either). I love the idea of a big legit A1 WR, but Mike Evans at this current state of both his career and our team building it just isn't in the cards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 I'm not trying to be a jerk, but no part of me can justify Evans being a target. In fact, if he is, then I severely question the intelligence of this front office. None of it makes sense. This isn't fantasy football. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WashingtonRedWolves Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 (edited) Get ekeler. He'd be a great one-two punch with BRob. He sucked last year but was injured and will have a full offseason to recover. That and his age should make him cheaper. Let him take passing downs and he could still be dynamic, break off huge gains and be a great check down option for rookie QB Edited February 20 by WashingtonRedWolves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 23 minutes ago, WashingtonRedWolves said: Get ekeler. He'd be a great one-two punch with BRob. He sucked last year but was injured and will have a full offseason to recover. That and his age should make him cheaper. Let him take passing downs and he could still be dynamic, break off huge gains and be a great check down option for rookie QB Bowen had has go with Pollard. I'd rather get the RB in the draft but wouldn't hate this if he were cheap https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/39531864/2024-nfl-free-agency-best-team-fits-ranking-top-50-players-available-offseason 46. Tony Pollard, RB Best team fit: Washington Commanders With Antonio Gibson heading to free agency, the Commanders could target someone like Pollard on a short-term deal to create a backfield rotation with Brian Robinson Jr. I like that duo. Washington could then reduce the workload for Pollard, while maximizing his dual-threat ability. In five pro seasons with the Cowboys, Pollard had 179 receptions -- and he just rushed for over 1,000 yards for a second straight season. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 16 hours ago, Warhead36 said: Were not getting quality vets on cheap 1 year deals. They can get that from contenders. Were better off targeting guys like Ronald Darby in 2020 and Deandre Carter and Jd Mckissic in 2021. Unheralded guys thatll take a 1 year deal with anyone to try to make more in 2025. Yeah, I think the contender issue is going to be a factor for sure. I do think other things factor in/are prioritized at times though - culture, relationships, locale, and of course money. Don’t love our chances of landing top notch guys, but I’d say there’s a chance that having Quinn here (and plenty of cap space) makes a difference. We’ll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WashingtonRedWolves Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: Bowen had has go with Pollard. I'd rather get the RB in the draft but wouldn't hate this if he were cheap https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/39531864/2024-nfl-free-agency-best-team-fits-ranking-top-50-players-available-offseason 46. Tony Pollard, RB Best team fit: Washington Commanders With Antonio Gibson heading to free agency, the Commanders could target someone like Pollard on a short-term deal to create a backfield rotation with Brian Robinson Jr. I like that duo. Washington could then reduce the workload for Pollard, while maximizing his dual-threat ability. In five pro seasons with the Cowboys, Pollard had 179 receptions -- and he just rushed for over 1,000 yards for a second straight season. I like this too. Clearly neither are suited for workhorse roles. But letting brob handle the early downs and either one of these two taking the rest would be a huge upgrade over what we had with gibson RBs in the draft are a dart throw - at least we know what we'd have with ekeler/pollard. Then use those picks to keep stacking positions of greater need Edited February 20 by WashingtonRedWolves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 You don't spend on RBs in FA. Just cycle cheap ones in the middle rounds every few years. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins 2021 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 1 hour ago, WashingtonRedWolves said: Get ekeler. He'd be a great one-two punch with BRob. He sucked last year but was injured and will have a full offseason to recover. That and his age should make him cheaper. Let him take passing downs and he could still be dynamic, break off huge gains and be a great check down option for rookie QB Depends on price may not be a bad idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetMeSeeYourWarFace21 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 18 minutes ago, Warhead36 said: You don't spend on RBs in FA. Just cycle cheap ones in the middle rounds every few years. This draft is weak at RB for what we need. We need a speed back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 We're going to draft high priced positions. QB, OT, WR, CB, Edge. Those are the most expensive spots. Well sign players that you can get affordably in FA, although I think we take some higher end swings this year with all the cap space making it easier to front load. I also think we'll need immediate leadership with a huge roster turn over, which is why guys like Gilmore, Wagner, Kearse all make a lot of sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 With the project cap to be $250m instead of $242m, here's our projected commitments and cap space per Spotrac and OTC (including dead money and rollover): Spotract: $159m payroll, $91m Cap Space OTC: $162m payroll, $88m Cap Space Either way, tons of $$ ... and does not include additional space that can be acquired via releases of Thomas, Leno, etc. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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