Skinsinparadise Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) The Stafford deal for the Rams makes me sad. I recall some on the QB thread last year wouldn't even give up a first round pick for Stafford. That was the guy i wanted the most -- talk about high ceiling. He's arguably playing the best ball at Qb in the league now. McVay couldn't fix Goff. I am suprised the Lions thought they could. He's having an abysmal season. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32446676/los-angeles-rams-detroit-lions-recall-reactions-matthew-stafford-jared-goff-trade-impact Where can these teams go with their quarterbacks? With Stafford's big-play potential, the Rams have their sights set on Super Bowl LVI on Feb. 13, 2022, in front of a hometown crowd at SoFi Stadium. "Going back to when this all went down, it was more about the opportunity to acquire Matthew and what we felt like that meant for our football team," McVay said. "... we felt [the trade] was a rare opportunity to acquire a player of Matthew's caliber, that those opportunities just don't come up often." Edited October 22, 2021 by Skinsinparadise 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HigSkin Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said: The Stafford deal for the Rams makes me sad. I recall some on the QB thread last year wouldn't even give up a first round pick for Stafford. That was the guy i wanted the most -- talk about high ceiling. He's arguably playing the best ball at Qb in the league now. McVay couldn't fix Goff. I am suprised the Lions thought they could. He's having an abysmal season. Ditto, the positive is at least we know their starting point was a 1st and 3rd which shows a willingness to go aggressive if they think they've got the right guy. Edited October 22, 2021 by HigSkin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExoDus84 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said: The Stafford deal for the Rams makes me sad. I recall some on the QB thread last year wouldn't even give up a first round pick for Stafford. That was the guy i wanted the most -- talk about high ceiling. This. I wanted him at basically any at even remotely palatable cost. I have seen some stories that he never considered us, though. He really, really wanted to go to L.A. and play for McVay. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Morneblade said: What's his hand size? He's the guy I actually think we have a real shot at, and I've liked what I've seen in him. I wonder if he's had drop off in bad weather? I can't remember the source but I think @Skinsinparadisementioned it in a thread as being something like 8.5 or 8.75 inches. That's about a full inch smaller than NFL average. I know he wears a glove on his throwing hand to help (IIRC there were reports that he actually wears 2 gloves). I don't think it's as big of a deal as some do, but there's not much doubt that guys with bigger hands generally have an easier time handling the ball. IIRC hand size was one of the concerns about Burrow...but obviously it wasn't enough of a concern to stop Cincy from taking him #1 overall. 50 minutes ago, ExoDus84 said: This. I wanted him at basically any at even remotely palatable cost. I have seen some stories that he never considered us, though. He really, really wanted to go to L.A. and play for McVay. This is why I think we should stop deluding ourselves with the Wilson, Watson, and Rodgers talk. None of those guys will want to play here. Edited October 22, 2021 by mistertim 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 hour ago, HigSkin said: Ditto, the positive is at least we know their starting point was a 1st and 3rd which shows a willingness to go aggressive if they think they've got the right guy. Wasn’t a 1st and 3rd our limit, not our starting point ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 29 minutes ago, mistertim said: I can't remember the source but I think @Skinsinparadisementioned it in a thread as being something like 8.5 or 8.75 inches. That's about a full inch smaller than NFL average. I know he wears a glove on his throwing hand to help (IIRC there were reports that he actually wears 2 gloves). 11 minutes ago, UK SKINS FAN 74 said: Wasn’t a 1st and 3rd our limit, not our starting point ? It might have been, but one report forget by whom said it was that and a player too, not sure if that was true or who the player was. According to Mile Silver who is tight with Rivera, they actually thought there was a good chance they were going to land him. 1 hour ago, ExoDus84 said: I have seen some stories that he never considered us, though. He really, really wanted to go to L.A. and play for McVay. Yeah that was said, he wanted to go to LA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvernon Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 8.25 hand size at QB is undraftable. It's not even a debate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Holy crap that's even smaller than I thought. 8.25 inch hands is tiny for an NFL QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain James Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 53 minutes ago, mistertim said: I can't remember the source but I think @Skinsinparadisementioned it in a thread as being something like 8.5 or 8.75 inches. That's about a full inch smaller than NFL average. I started reading this before reading the quote you were responding to and I was like "whaaaat?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 As someone who doesn't measure his... hands, I have no idea how big mine are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted October 22, 2021 Author Share Posted October 22, 2021 14 minutes ago, PartyPosse said: As someone who doesn't measure his... hands, I have no idea how big mine are. Same. I wouldn't even know how. Kinda wanna now though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philibusters Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Thinking about how I would rate the QB draft prospects, my not all that educated take (I have not really watched quite a few of them, so its based off reputation) take is: 1. Matt Corral: I really haven't watched him, but I am buying the hype on this board some. 2. Sam Howell: A lower middle class version of Baker Mayfield 3. Kenny Pickett: A guy who should be a game manager. Maybe 2022's version of Mac Jones 4. Carson Strong 5. Malik Harris 6. Desmond Ridder Full acknowledgement that I haven't watch any Carson Strong or Malik Harris games. The other guys I have watched on TV but for some of them, only one game or even less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Kev Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 23 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: Same. I wouldn't even know how. Kinda wanna now though. https://howtheyplay.com/team-sports/Quarterbacks-With-the-Most-Impressive-Hand-Sizes-in-NFL-History 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExoDus84 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 hour ago, mistertim said: Holy crap that's even smaller than I thought. 8.25 inch hands is tiny for an NFL QB. Live look at Kenny Pickett holding a football... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philibusters Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) I googled it and 8.25 to 8.5 is the average man's handsize according to the article. Tom Brady was between 9.25 and 9.5. 9.5 to 9.75 is kind of the average NFL QB's hand size. Patrick Mahomes is slightly below average for NFL standards at 9.25. Aaron Rodgers is right at the average. Joe Burrow was 9 flat. So 8.25 to 8.5 for Pickett would make him an average male, but deficient compared to other NFL QB's. Handsize is only weakly correlated with height. Kyler Murray has 9.5 hands and both Russell Wilson and Drew Brees were in the 10 flat range. According to the article, TE Mo Alie Cox is believed to have the largest hands in the NFL at 12 flat. Edited October 22, 2021 by philibusters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 The small hands thing might correlate with fumbles too. I haven't been able to find the stats, but IIRC Pickett has had quite a few. Another issue with Pickett is why it took him so long to be any good. He's a 5th year QB and until this season he's been pretty mediocre at very best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins island connection Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 23 minutes ago, mistertim said: The small hands thing might correlate with fumbles too. I haven't been able to find the stats, but IIRC Pickett has had quite a few. Another issue with Pickett is why it took him so long to be any good. He's a 5th year QB and until this season he's been pretty mediocre at very best. You got a very good point! My hands are not that big and i'm always fumbling around for my car keys... That would be an interesting challenge; find the most successful QB with the smallest hands. Thinking about Brees, the Card's QB today, who else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, skins island connection said: You got a very good point! My hands are not that big and i'm always fumbling around for my car keys... That would be an interesting challenge; find the most successful QB with the smallest hands. Thinking about Brees, the Card's QB today, who else? Brees was actually the opposite. He was like Wilson...has enormous hands for his height. Something like 10.25 inches IRRC. Edited October 22, 2021 by mistertim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins island connection Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 minute ago, mistertim said: Brees was actually the opposite. He was like Wilson...has enormous hands for his height. Something like 10.25 inches IRRC. Well lets get the damn board stretcher out and work over a couple QBs... 10.25" ?? No wonder when the camera panned over to his family his wife was always smiling... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Koolblue13 said: Same. I wouldn't even know how. Kinda wanna now though. Me too. Something I never thought about, but I had to know after this discussion. 9.5" for me, which is big considering I'm only 6' tall. One thing that's kind of weird is that my left hand is slightly bigger than my right hand but I'm right handed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 6 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said: The Stafford deal for the Rams makes me sad. I recall some on the QB thread last year wouldn't even give up a first round pick for Stafford. That was the guy i wanted the most -- talk about high ceiling. He's arguably playing the best ball at Qb in the league now. McVay couldn't fix Goff. I am suprised the Lions thought they could. He's having an abysmal season. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32446676/los-angeles-rams-detroit-lions-recall-reactions-matthew-stafford-jared-goff-trade-impact Where can these teams go with their quarterbacks? With Stafford's big-play potential, the Rams have their sights set on Super Bowl LVI on Feb. 13, 2022, in front of a hometown crowd at SoFi Stadium. "Going back to when this all went down, it was more about the opportunity to acquire Matthew and what we felt like that meant for our football team," McVay said. "... we felt [the trade] was a rare opportunity to acquire a player of Matthew's caliber, that those opportunities just don't come up often." I thought the Lions had to take Goff otherwise the Rams wouldn't have the cap space to do the trade? It's also why the Rams gave up more than expected draft capital, cause the Lions were then on the hook for that contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Hand size for QB's is always talked about if there's an oddity. Teddy Bridgewater was the minimum at 9.25, and has to wear a glove. Patrick Mahomes was thought of as a risk also at 9.25, but doesn't wear a glove. That'll probably change as he gets older. A lot of QB's as they age start wearing gloves as their grip and arm strength/motion starts to decline. Peyton Manning and Kurt Warner never wore gloves until their last few years in the league. 8.25 for Pickett (if that's the correct hand measurement) will be talked about endlessly. He's not going to go as high as people think when the media engine gets going. I would guess we could trade back and still land Pickett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted October 23, 2021 Author Share Posted October 23, 2021 1 hour ago, stevemcqueen1 said: Me too. Something I never thought about, but I had to know after this discussion. 9.5" for me, which is big considering I'm only 6' tall. One thing that's kind of weird is that my left hand is slightly bigger than my right hand but I'm right handed. 10 inches. Go figure. I'm 6'3". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HigSkin Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, UK SKINS FAN 74 said: Wasn’t a 1st and 3rd our limit, not our starting point ? Silver quoted in an article from September the 1st and 3rd was an "opening" offer. See my post on the previous page Edited October 23, 2021 by HigSkin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Koolblue13 said: 10 inches. Go figure. I'm 6'3". God damn. You've got those Gardner Minshew hands. If only we had known we could make the cut off for handspan when we were younger. Then we could have been NFL QBs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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