Tarpon75 Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, mojo said: Never heard of a wooden Puerto Rican. You do get my reference? Ron's stoic demeanor during games is reminiscent of a wooden cigar store Indian. There were no racial overtones intended, Agree with you, everything doesn't have to be racial. It gets old! Edited August 30, 2023 by Tarpon75 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, CobraCommander said: I just can't remember the last time we didn't have a QB controversy in this city. There's always some faction pulling for QB A vs QB B. Ron's shortcomings are piling up, but IF he hit on Sam Howell, I don't think I can stay mad at him. Finally hitting on a QB just gives more reasons to finally get a modern NFL-leading operation around him—to me it would be even more of a waste to saddle a legit potential franchise QB with a mediocre at best operation. It would be malpractice. Everyone is talking nice about how he can save his job if he wins a Wildcard game or whatever—I’ll be one to say, there’s nothing he can do to save his job for me (as a fan—I will obviously not be making the call). Because the issues I have with him are systemic and organizational at their core, not things he can just improve by delegating more or getting a clock management assistant or whatever. Edited August 30, 2023 by Conn 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraCommander Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) Just now, Conn said: Finally hitting on a QB just gives more reasons to finally get a modern NFL-leading operation around him—to me it would be even more of a waste to saddle a legit potential franchise QB with a mediocre at best operation. Oh I'm not saying we should keep this front office around. I just won't stay mad at him. Edit* I have been clamoring for a real GM from the minute it was announced Dan was selling, I've always wanted one I just knew it wasn't happening under Snyder. Edited August 30, 2023 by CobraCommander 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, CobraCommander said: Oh I'm not saying we should keep this front office around. I just won't stay mad at him. Oh, gotcha. Well, I can only speak for myself as someone who is a vocal anti-Rivera person at this point—I’m not mad at him. He has done his best in a trying situation. I want better than Ron Rivera’s best. And I don’t think that’s a ridiculous ask if this is going to be a world class organization. I don’t think it’s having unreasonable expectations because no unbiased observer in their right mind would argue that it’s more difficult than not to improve upon our current coaching and FO set-up. That’s top of my list. Edited August 30, 2023 by Conn 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted August 30, 2023 Author Share Posted August 30, 2023 That video just says what a lot of us have been saying. Ron's checked out already. He's not calling the offense or defense and just kinda there. He doesn't seem to be trying to be the HC and the media gaffs are a symptom. I don't blame him though, Beat Cancer, failed at QB while laser focused on the position exclusively for two years, a front office that kept seemingly getting more and more distracting, an absolute failure of a rebrand, by an owner and his wife that knew they were on their way out the last year after taking their big shot. That is a lot of bull**** to deal with and Rons built a team that wants to be here and play hard together and that's pretty awesome. I love Ron and I'll celebrate him in his retirement. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 14 minutes ago, Conn said: Oh, gotcha. Well, I can only speak for myself as someone who is a vocal anti-Rivera person at this point—I’m not mad at him. He has done his best in a trying situation. I want better than Ron Rivera’s best. And I don’t think that’s a ridiculous ask if this is going to be a world class organization. I don’t think it’s having unreasonable expectations because no unbiased observer in their right mind would argue that it’s more difficult than not to improve upon our current coaching and FO set-up. That’s top of my list. Agree. My favorite way to summarize this if for those who want him to continue to run the team for years to come. A. What other team's fan base would clamor for Ron Rivera to the their GM let alone HC? If we asked that in a poll, it would be greeted by laughter let alone even be taken seriously. B. We got an owner who is famous for paying top dollar for the best potentail GM in the business. Do people really think in that context, I'll pass, I'd rather have Ron be our GM? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 17 minutes ago, Conn said: He has done his best in a trying situation. I want better than Ron Rivera’s best. For me, malpractice (if Howell balls out), would be letting EB walk out of the building. We’ve already let McVay and Kyle walk (some of our resident geniuses here celebrated Kyle’s departure 😆). I’m not advocating for keeping Ron, I’d like to upgrade as well. Especially the FO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowhunter Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 1 hour ago, mojo said: Never heard of a wooden Puerto Rican. You do get my reference? Ron's stoic demeanor during games is reminiscent of a wooden cigar store Indian. There were no racial overtones intended, Not a darn thing wrong with your reference Mojo, no need to apologize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zCommander Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 Isn't there a thread on front office and coaching? Maybe @Koolblue13 needs to change the thread title 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted August 30, 2023 Author Share Posted August 30, 2023 1 minute ago, zCommander said: Isn't there a thread on front office and coaching? Maybe @Koolblue13 needs to change the thread title I started the thread a while back, because the QB talk crept into every thread and now, for the first time since probably 2012, no QB controversy. 2 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris 44 Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Koolblue13 said: I started the thread a while back, because the QB talk crept into every thread and now, for the first time since probably 2012, no QB controversy. Guess its kind of a good thing to have a punt returner controversy take the place of the QB controversy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted August 30, 2023 Author Share Posted August 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Chris 44 said: Guess its kind of a good thing to have a punt returner controversy take the place of the QB controversy. Let's not forget Cheesemans new snapping motion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zCommander Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: I started the thread a while back, because the QB talk crept into every thread and now, for the first time since probably 2012, no QB controversy. You know QB controversy will start once the season starts lol 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraCommander Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 Just now, zCommander said: You know QB controversy will start once the season starts lol I can see some Jake Fromm truthers popping up around week 4. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted August 30, 2023 Author Share Posted August 30, 2023 Just now, CobraCommander said: I can see some Jake Fromm truthers popping up around week 4. You're not wrong The season is on a pretty hard slide down from easy to difficult in four weeks, so your timing is probably right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris 44 Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: Let's not forget Cheesemans new snapping motion. We need a long snapper thread 5 minutes ago, CobraCommander said: I can see some Jake Fromm truthers popping up around week 4. Jake Fromm would be great insurance....I apologize, that was bad. Edited August 30, 2023 by Chris 44 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan since a Fetus Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 If our offense comes to life this year with Bienemy and Howell, you have to keep those two together for as long as it works, if it means we get to the playoffs and Ron wins a game and Bienemy gets a HC offer, you have to can Ron. So, Ron could be let go even if he does have a great year. I would really like to see him win a Super Bowl this year and retire. And by “him” I mean the football team and us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 I am not convinced in the least that it was Ron beating the drums to draft Howell. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan since a Fetus Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 We can hire Bienemy to coach next year and bring in Dan Snyder as a GM. He’s had 20+ years experience in this league. Maybe if he didn’t have to focus in violating women and stealing from everyone (he’s a big shot billionaire now so he won’t, that how that works), he could just focus on putting the right players together. Experience is a value that is often overlooked. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 5 hours ago, Koolblue13 said: That's kind of ****ed up, with him being Puerto Rican and all. Do us a favor. Next time just report a post you think is a rules issue. 🙂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 4 hours ago, Tarpon75 said: Agree with you, everything doesn't have to be racial. It gets old! You've been here a long time, are typically a good poster, and no rule violations in your account notes.👍 So what normally would be a temp ban for this non football post that addresses issues that don't belong here is going to just be a reminder not to do that.🙂 We haven't been giving amy mercy on this matter lately but it's appropriate here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 1 hour ago, RandyHolt said: I am not convinced in the least that it was Ron beating the drums to draft Howell. I gather it was Marty Hurney from what I've read. He was also the dude at his pro day. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 4 hours ago, Conn said: He has done his best in a trying situation. I want better than Ron Rivera’s best. I don't know. He didn't even know that Sam Howell was any good. His actual starting QB had to come out and tell him that he should start him. I mean, he doesn't call plays for the offense or the defense, he obviously doesn't scout players or self scout his own team even though he's in full control of everything. What does he actually do? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 2 hours ago, RandyHolt said: I am not convinced in the least that it was Ron beating the drums to draft Howell. Ron... beating the drums...really? Lets not get everybody kicked off this G D board. But seriously, I would bet money Ron had no idea who Howell was before the draft. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srtman04 Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 It is beyond baffling to me that an NFL level coach has no idea what his players are capable of that's playing on his team. A team that he is supposed to manage. I mean, this is just unbelievable. In all honesty, Ron needs to retire ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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