petey hodge Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 14 minutes ago, Warhead36 said: Vikes/Hawks. Vikes constantly collapsing the pocket. Rushing the passer isnt that hard on obvious pass downs if you have the talent and scheme. We dont have either. And having serious QB-envy watching Kurt Cousins arm strength and surgical precision…. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 While the bookends certainly haven't held up their end of the bargain, it's plain as day to see any competent QB can shred the defense with those LBs and corners. Literally all any QB needs is 3 seconds MAX to find someone open. How receivers manage to be 5 years clear of a defender almost immediately off the line is astonishing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirt Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 12 minutes ago, ThomasRoane said: Agreed. But not 2021-2022 There's no good prospect in the draft and the WFT can't afford the draft capitol to trade for one. Too many holes. There's no "great" prospect, but they basically have to draft a QB next year. Or acquire one somehow, hell, why not both. Give me Matt Ryan, I don't care, we just need a real QB. And yes, the defense does need a better scheme and better LBs, and I do like watching heineke, but nothing matters in the long run of a season if you don't have a real QB and we don't right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srtman04 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Dirt said: There's no "great" prospect, but they basically have to draft a QB next year. Or acquire one somehow, hell, why not both. Give me Matt Ryan, I don't care, we just need a real QB. And yes, the defense does need a better scheme and better LBs, and I do like watching heineke, but nothing matters in the long run of a season if you don't have a real QB and we don't right now. Heineke is by far the least of our problems right now. We have a D that is allowing others teams to convert 3rd downs at an alarming rate....like the worst in HISTORY rate..... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 7 minutes ago, Dirt said: There's no "great" prospect, but they basically have to draft a QB next year. Or acquire one somehow, hell, why not both. Give me Matt Ryan, I don't care, we just need a real QB. And yes, the defense does need a better scheme and better LBs, and I do like watching heineke, but nothing matters in the long run of a season if you don't have a real QB and we don't right now. Ryan's contract is probably the worst in football right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexa Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 Here is the problem with the defense. 1. The talent is vastly overrated. 2. See #1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markmills67 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 Falcons scores in 1st 3 games this season 6, 25 and 17, will Chase Young and his very overrated fellow Defense be able to keep them under 35, my opinion is noooooooooooo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 35 minutes ago, petey hodge said: And having serious QB-envy watching Kurt Cousins arm strength and surgical precision…. Imagine having him in your building and letting him walk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, Warhead36 said: Imagine having him in your building and letting him walk Yeah. He's suuuuuper thriving in Minnesota and I'm sure the Vikes fans are insanely thrilled with him. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexa Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 28 minutes ago, Dirt said: There's no "great" prospect, but they basically have to draft a QB next year. Or acquire one somehow, hell, why not both. Give me Matt Ryan, I don't care, we just need a real QB. And yes, the defense does need a better scheme and better LBs, and I do like watching heineke, but nothing matters in the long run of a season if you don't have a real QB and we don't right now. No thanks to Matt Ryan. No more old vets looking to extend their careers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markmills67 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 We should re-name this thread All things with No Defense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 10 minutes ago, PartyPosse said: Yeah. He's suuuuuper thriving in Minnesota and I'm sure the Vikes fans are insanely thrilled with him. So far this year 8 TDs 0 INTs. If his stud back doesn’t fumble and if his K doesn’t miss a chippy theyre 3-0 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy Yoda Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 24 minutes ago, Warhead36 said: Imagine having him in your building and letting him walk Couldn't have been us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 10 minutes ago, Warhead36 said: So far this year 8 TDs 0 INTs. If his stud back doesn’t fumble and if his K doesn’t miss a chippy theyre 3-0 Sure, just took him 4 years and the best run game in the NFL to get off to a decent start. I highly doubt the collective fanbase here would have had the patience to wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoVaSkins21 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 Don't understand WTF happened to this defense from 2020 to 2021, but it looks beyond repair. It starts up front and it has trickled down from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy Yoda Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 8 minutes ago, PartyPosse said: Sure, just took him 4 years and the best run game in the NFL to get off to a decent start. I highly doubt the collective fanbase here would have had the patience to wait. You act like Cousins is some scrub that just figured it all out this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultravin Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 Lol at the No-Name No-Defense crew! Opponents are converting 3rd/4th and long situations almost all the time. Secondary wants to prove they can tackle well, BUT after the receivers catch them. Too scared to play physical because of PI calls. If they play like that, it’s gonna be a LONG season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoBob Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 (edited) This thread is "all things defense" does that include an ANSWER for our sucking defense? Edited September 27, 2021 by DiscoBob More cowbell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, Burgundy Yoda said: You act like Cousins is some scrub that just figured it all out this year I'd say last year he figured it out when he took a backseat to Dalvin. Only took him ten years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultravin Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 10 minutes ago, SAli457180 said: Don't understand WTF happened to this defense from 2020 to 2021, but it looks beyond repair. It starts up front and it has trickled down from there. It’s the quick passes that’s killing them. Secondary is just watching them catch the ball and react. They’re not being physical enough. Notice how the other teams are doing that to us. Our receivers are earning their money! Our secondary isn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy Yoda Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 Just now, PartyPosse said: I'd say last year he figured it out when he took a backseat to Dalvin. Only took him ten years! Still the best QB we've had in 2 decades. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 Just now, ultravin said: It’s the quick passes that’s killing them. Secondary is just watching them catch the ball and react. They’re not being physical enough. Notice how the other teams are doing that to us. Our receivers are earning their money! Our secondary isn’t. But it isn't just quick passes. Quick passes doesn't explain the 3rd and 10+ conversions, those need time to develop. You can blame the secondary all you want for the quick passes but if we're consistently getting to 3rd and long and the pass rush can't do anything, the front bears some responsibility as well. Ultimately I think there is an issue with the scheme. Either we are TOO simple and opposing QBs/coaches figure us out too easily, or we're TOO complicated to the point where guys are constantly confused and messing up their coverages. Personally I think its a combination of both. I think our zone coverages appear to be convoluted or at least confusing enough that our guys don't know their responsibilities. When we play man things are simplified but our pass rush isn't getting home so guys are getting beat. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasRoane Posted September 27, 2021 Author Share Posted September 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Dirt said: There's no "great" prospect, but they basically have to draft a QB next year. Or acquire one somehow, hell, why not both. Give me Matt Ryan, I don't care, we just need a real QB. And yes, the defense does need a better scheme and better LBs, and I do like watching heineke, but nothing matters in the long run of a season if you don't have a real QB and we don't right now. I wouldn't mind having Matt Ryan. At what cost though? More concerned with draft capitol than salary cap. The WFT can't afford a package like the Rams gave up for Stafford. There are still too many holes in the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Hard pass on Ryan. He's completely washed. We'll have to draft one. I know its supposed to be a weak class but we really have no idea. I mean nobody had Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes as top notch prospects in September before their drafts either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFi Skins Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Is Chase Young on the back of a milk carton yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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