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[Leonard Washington]

25 minutes ago, MrJL said:

 

I've actually heard of this sort of thing for pro athletes.  You change something and you can't go back to the old way cause you screw up your muscle memory

Athletes regularly work on their technique. I’ve never seen a guy intentionally F-up an NFL career like this before. Guys like Laron Landry and David Boston are going “WTF”. 

 

This is a major failure of the ST coach for letting it go this long too and for NOT coaching the proper working technique. 

[Dan T.]

Long snapper has to be one of the best gigs in the NFL. One job. Just perfect it and do it well. 
 

Cheeseman had it all there for the taking and ****ed it up somehow. They gave him a ridiculously long leash to get right and he still played himself out of a job.
 

A sad story really, and apropos for this train-wreck of a season. 

[Dan T.]

Woah, I think I figured out his problem. And it’s a simple fix. 
 

He was long snapping for punts on field goals and long snapping for field goals on punts. 

[Koolblue13]

7 hours ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

Different poster. Probably one of my many fans trying to emulate me.

No long snapper, two of you people. What a year.

[Captain Wiggles]

45 minutes ago, Dan T. said:

Long snapper has to be one of the best gigs in the NFL. One job. Just perfect it and do it well. 

 

Think it was Madden that routinely said if one wants their kid to have a good chance at making it to the NFL teach them to be a long snapper. It's a skill possessed by few at any given time. 

[RWJ]

 

 

 

 

 

 

[RFK Lives]

34 minutes ago, RWJ said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Championship!

[Voice_of_Reason]

19 hours ago, NoVaSkins21 said:

Although the move had to be done, this was way too late, but it epitomizes this coaching staff.  Trading up for a guy who was overvalued and couldn't do his job

I want to correct something minor that's kindof irrelevant but I've heard it mis-stated a number of times: they didn't actually trade up for Cheeseman.

 

Washington receives:

  2021 sixth-round pick (No. 225 LS Camaron Cheeseman)
  2021 seventh-round pick (No. 240 DE William Bradley-King)
Eagles receive:

  2022 fifth-rounder

 

So, it was a trade of a future 5th for current 6th and 7th.  I'm not sure that's a trade up or not. I don't really think it's a trade up, you might consider it a trade down even.  

 

Callow on Bram's show got it completely wrong and said we traded up and used a 4th on Cheeseman.  

 

Regardless of the details, the evaluation of the player was blown, clearly.  Which candidly happens in the draft all the time.  BUT it really shouldn't happen with a long snapper. My guy has literally one job: shoot a ball backwards behind through his legs.  You have to be 100% certain you are getting a guy who's going to be good at that.  It's much easier to hit that eval than say a 6th round TE or LB.  

 

I'm in the minority here, I didn't have so much a problem picking a long snapper in the 6th round.  6th round picks are generally back end of the roster and special teams players anyway.  But you absolutely HAVE to get the pick right.  

 

The real malpractice was not picking the guy, it was sticking with him for at least 2 months, and maybe the entire season, too long.  To me, that is the absolute personification of the roster mis-management and lack of urgency under Ron Rivera.  

[Dan T.]

Reading Tucker Addington's Wikl page, I learned there is something called the Texas Long Snapping organization, and that he was inducted into their Hall of Honor:

 

Addington is an alumnus of the Texas Long Snapping organization, and while attending it posted the fastest snapping speed of any player there (.65); he was later inducted into their Hall of Honor. From 2020 to 2021, while a free agent in professional football, Addington served as an assistant coach with the organization.

 

 Home - Texas Long Snapping (txlongsnapping.com)

 

 

Edit: He also runs a 4.5 40, according to the above web site.

Edited December 19, 2023 by Dan T.

[Koolblue13]

11 hours ago, Captain Wiggles said:

 

Think it was Madden that routinely said if one wants their kid to have a good chance at making it to the NFL teach them to be a long snapper. It's a skill possessed by few at any given time. 

Might have been me. 

[RFK Lives]

Well, I hope Tress Way can adjust to a snap hitting him in the hands.  

[Chris 44]

1 hour ago, RWJ said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

If Ron was here next year we could have drafted one with our first round pick. Now we will probably draft some dumb QB, O line man or WR.

[Koolblue13]

I've said it before, but the entire kicking game is dumb. Why can't a blocking TE be a LS? Joey Slye has never practiced a punt? What the hell do these guys do all day at practice?

[Chris 44]

16 minutes ago, Dan T. said:

 

 

 

Edit: He also runs a 4.5 40, according to the above web site.

Also going to double as Forbes replacement?

2 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

I've said it before, but the entire kicking game is dumb. Why can't a blocking TE be a LS? Joey Slye has never practiced a punt? What the hell do these guys do all day at practice?

This dude may end up being one of the few players that are currently on the squad that we resign for next year.

[Koolblue13]

If Tommy Tupa could play QB, Joey Slye can punt a football.

[NoVaSkins21]

43 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

I want to correct something minor that's kindof irrelevant but I've heard it mis-stated a number of times: they didn't actually trade up for Cheeseman.

 

Washington receives:

  2021 sixth-round pick (No. 225 LS Camaron Cheeseman)
  2021 seventh-round pick (No. 240 DE William Bradley-King)
Eagles receive:

  2022 fifth-rounder

 

So, it was a trade of a future 5th for current 6th and 7th.  I'm not sure that's a trade up or not. I don't really think it's a trade up, you might consider it a trade down even.  

 

Callow on Bram's show got it completely wrong and said we traded up and used a 4th on Cheeseman.  

 

Regardless of the details, the evaluation of the player was blown, clearly.  Which candidly happens in the draft all the time.  BUT it really shouldn't happen with a long snapper. My guy has literally one job: shoot a ball backwards behind through his legs.  You have to be 100% certain you are getting a guy who's going to be good at that.  It's much easier to hit that eval than say a 6th round TE or LB.  

 

I'm in the minority here, I didn't have so much a problem picking a long snapper in the 6th round.  6th round picks are generally back end of the roster and special teams players anyway.  But you absolutely HAVE to get the pick right.  

 

The real malpractice was not picking the guy, it was sticking with him for at least 2 months, and maybe the entire season, too long.  To me, that is the absolute personification of the roster mis-management and lack of urgency under Ron Rivera.  

When you have a FO lead by Martin Mayhew, who was an architect of the Detroit (2009) disaster and beyond, this is what you get

Edited December 19, 2023 by NoVaSkins21

[Chris 44]

I'm curious to see if this helps out Slye, Cheeseman had to have an effect on Slye but not sure if its a combo of the snaps and just plain misses?

[mac8887]

2 minutes ago, NoVaSkins21 said:

When you have a FO lead by Martin Mayhew, who was an architect of the Detroit (2009) disaster and beyond, this is what you get

This!!!

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

17 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

If Tommy Tupa could play QB, Joey Slye can punt a football.

Tom Tupa was the starting quarterback for Ohio State in college.

[MassSkinsFan]

12 hours ago, Captain Wiggles said:

 

Think it was Madden that routinely said if one wants their kid to have a good chance at making it to the NFL teach them to be a long snapper. It's a skill possessed by few at any given time. 

I wish I’d known that when I was a kid. I was a C but also LS on my teams in HS/college. I must have done a few hundred snaps in games (at least) and there was only 1 bad one. Once you know how to do it, you’re pretty much locked in. As long as the ball is always delivered to the hands of the holder or punter there’s no reason to tinker with your technique. 
 

It’s been painful watching this ****show, and it’s been going on all season. It just became super-apparent this week. 
 

That worm-burner snap should never, ever happen in a game, at practice, wherever. Never. But, here we are…

 

If only I were half my age, I’d ask to try out. 🤣

 

PS - old guy question: do any NFL starting centers double as LS? I ask because snapping in shotgun is basically the same as a FG. It’s a common skill. Adjusting to snapping punts isn’t a big stretch. So why do teams have LS specialists?

[Kurd Cudins]

I remember when we brought this bum in to replace Nick Sundberg, who was very good, IMO. Then Hopkins started struggling cause the snaps were terrible so we got rid of Hopkins instead of this bum. I'll be so happy when Rivera is finally gone. Idiot mistakes like these will always mar his teams. People that defend him need to take note of things like this. 

[Koolblue13]

I wanna be a long snapper when I grow up.

[Voice_of_Reason]

1 hour ago, Koolblue13 said:

I've said it before, but the entire kicking game is dumb. Why can't a blocking TE be a LS? Joey Slye has never practiced a punt? What the hell do these guys do all day at practice?

 

[Koolblue13]

1 minute ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

 

You? Heavans no.

[Voice_of_Reason]

50 minutes ago, Kurd Cudins said:

I remember when we brought this bum in to replace Nick Sundberg, who was very good, IMO. Then Hopkins started struggling cause the snaps were terrible so we got rid of Hopkins instead of this bum. I'll be so happy when Rivera is finally gone. Idiot mistakes like these will always mar his teams. People that defend him need to take note of things like this. 

For reference, Sunberg basically had to retire due to injury.  He couldn't have come back one way or the other.  And he hasn't played since he left.  

 

The team needed to replace him.

 

Now, did they need to draft a kid in the 6th round who couldn't actually do the thing he was drafted to do?  No.  

 

I do feel bad for Cheeseman in this respect: Ron should never have made him live through this.  By all accounts (Keim, Bram, JP) all say he's a really good guy, extremely self aware, not pompous or arrogant.  And he's got a case of the yips.  

 

Ron thought he was doing him a kindness by keeping him around, what he probably needed was to be released.  Long Snappers pop up all the time, he would have gotten another opportunity, and maybe just a change of scenery, he works out the yips.

 

Ron screwed this pooch so many ways it's just unfathomable.