Ball Security Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, KDawg said: Werner in the second last year. @The Consigliere actually makes a good point in terms of LB value. I don’t follow his process and think it’s a bit too analytical, but the value at LB has shown to be in beyond the first. That’s not to say you can’t get a stud at LB in the first. You can. But you can maximize draft class value better going LB in a different round. Yep, Browning and Bolton from yesterday’s game were drafted in the second and third. Can typically get a year 1 starter at LB after the first round. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWinzit Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 🤫 Could we please stop drawing attention to Muma 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) OK. I am done with QB tape. Here are my top ten QB's in this years draft. 1) Kenny Pickett. Amazing medium range accuracy. Elite processing speed. Elite pocket awareness. Excellent off balance throws. Dangerous throwing on the run. Solid arm but not special. Good size. Great leader and loves the game. Way underrated rushing ability. Can underthrow deep routes on occasion. One year wonder? And of course the small hands issue. Pickett is the best QB in this class. He isnt Joe Burrow. But he does remind me of him in some ways. NFL Comp: Joe Burrow Top 5 Pick 2) Matt Corral. Excellent accuracy but a lot of throws near the LOS. Excellent pocket awareness. Strong arm. Excellent throwing on the run and off balance. Elite rushing ability and shiftiness. Tough as nails. Played well against the best competition in College Football. Has matured throughout his college career. Smaller size could limit his rushing ability at the next level. Will throw an unexplainable INT on occasion. NFL Comp: Baker Mayfield? Top 10 pick 3) Carson Strong. Elite arm. Great read and recognition, Huge size, Excellent accuracy. Dangerous off balance throwing ability. Average athleticism. Average pocket awareness. Had a major knee injury which has been cleared. NFL Comp: Drew Bledsoe First round pick 4) Sam Howell. Great arm. Dangerous runner. Excellent pocket awareness. Average mid/deep accuracy. Not tall. But well built. Tough year to evaluate him as he has minimal weapons and OL was a sieve. Didnt seem to elevate other players around him. NFL Comp: A slower Lamar Jackson. Late 1st/Early 2nd. 5) Malik Willis. Excellent arm. Excellent rushing ability. Short but good build. Average accuracy. Will throw awful INT's on occasion. Played against poor opponents and didnt raise his game against higher ranked opponents. He is a project and will time to sit. NFL Comp: Tua Rounds 1/2 6) Desmond Ridder. Good height but spindly build. Excellent arm. Good deep ball accuracy. Good athleticism. Shifty in the pocket Struggles with touch on short to medium routes. Prone to the occasional bad mistake. NFL Comp: Ryan Tannehill. Round 2/3 7) Bailey Zappe. Average arm. Good read and recognition. Good accuracy. A literal statue in the pocket. Put up unblievable numbers against poor competition. NFL Comp: Jake Fromm Round 3 8 ) Tanner Mckee. Good arm. Good read and recognition. Good accuracy. Another pocket statue with very limited athleticism. If given time he will cut you to pieces. NFL Comp: Matt Ryan Round 3 9) Brock Purdy. Good arm. Average accuracy. Good athleticism. Prone to making dangerous throws. Can hurt you with both feet and arm. But inconsistent with both. Excellent pocket awareness. NFL Comp: Kirk Cousins Round 3/4 10) Aqeel Glass. Average arm. Excellent mid range accuracy. Excellent size. Limited athleticism. But can run. Played against weak competition. NFL Comp: Byron Leftwich Round 3/4 Edited January 9, 2022 by clskinsfan 5 9 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chump Bailey Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 21 minutes ago, DWinzit said: 🤫 Could we please stop drawing attention to Muma Yeah, I should have figured he was mentioned already. I had no idea who he was and today is the first day I looked into him Sorry about that... @clskinsfan Check out Utah State's Logan Bonner. I'd be interested in your take on him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evmiii Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 @clskinsfan Good breakdown, I would put Corral #1 and Pickett #2. I hope we don’t consider anyone with a less than above average arm strength, tired of watching floaters out of the WFT backfield. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Forgot to add I am starting RB's next. Hope to have them next weekend. Nice thing about watching tape on RB's is you can knock out a lot of OL at the same time. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) I love the breakdown. I don’t understand some of the comps. Jackson to Howell doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Willis to Tu’a is another I don’t understand. What’s the thought process behind it? Not saying you’re wrong. I just don’t see it at all. Pickett to Burrow is another one besides circumstance. Corral to Bledsoe? I actually liked your write ups more than your comps. Edited January 9, 2022 by KDawg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zim489 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Give me Willis. IMO the only QB in this class with the ceiling I am looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, KDawg said: I love the breakdown. I don’t understand some of the comps. Jackson to Howell doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Willis to Tu’a is another I don’t understand. What’s the thought process behind it? Not saying you’re wrong. I just don’t see it at all. Pickett to Burrow is another one besides circumstance. Corral to Bledsoe? I actually liked your write ups more than your comps. Purely comps from my eyes. Seeing flashes of those guys in each one while watching their tape. Only did the comps for fun. Nothing more. Edited January 9, 2022 by clskinsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhd24 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 19 minutes ago, KDawg said: I love the breakdown. I don’t understand some of the comps. Jackson to Howell doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Willis to Tu’a is another I don’t understand. What’s the thought process behind it? Not saying you’re wrong. I just don’t see it at all. Pickett to Burrow is another one besides circumstance. Corral to Bledsoe? I actually liked your write ups more than your comps. I see Strong to Bledsoe (Corral is to Baker) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, mhd24 said: I see Strong to Bledsoe (Corral is to Baker) Strong to Bledsoe… yes I see that. Corral and Baker doesn’t click. But his write ups were solid so knowing he did those for fun makes a lot of sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoBob Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 3 hours ago, evmiii said: @clskinsfan ...tired of watching floaters out of the WFT backfield. So we're a pile of crap? 👍 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jds0912 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 I think this is the draft where we get our franchise guy. Pickett, Coral, and Willis are excellent prospects imo. Both Pickett and Coral have ideal height, played in big time conferences and were all-conference, good speed, nfl arm, pocket presence and escapability, and they can go through reads quickly. Normally I would pass on a guy like Willis bc he’s a little shorter than I like and he didn’t play against great competition. However, this kid is electrifying! He reminds me so much of Michael Vick by how he runs and how he’s built. I think he could be okay in a traditional Nfl offense, but he could be great in a read option type offense like the Ravens use with Lamar. If we get one of these guys I believe we’re set for the next decade. I think all of them are top 10 talent but Coral may slide bc of the injury, idk. I’ve never been more excited for a draft than I am with this one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Jds0912 said: I think this is the draft where we get our franchise guy. Pickett, Coral, and Willis are excellent prospects imo. Both Pickett and Coral have ideal height, played in big time conferences and were all-conference, good speed, nfl arm, pocket presence and escapability, and they can go through reads quickly. Normally I would pass on a guy like Willis bc he’s a little shorter than I like and he didn’t play against great competition. However, this kid is electrifying! He reminds me so much of Michael Vick by how he runs and how he’s built. I think he could be okay in a traditional Nfl offense, but he could be great in a read option type offense like the Ravens use with Lamar. If we get one of these guys I believe we’re set for the next decade. I think all of them are top 10 talent but Coral may slide bc of the injury, idk. I’ve never been more excited for a draft than I am with this one. Willis is going to have to sit for while. Maybe even multiple years. Ron doesnt have time for that. I think we end up trading up in the draft for either Pickett or Corral. But that is just my gut. I wouldnt hate picking Strong or Howell at 9 either. We have to come away with a first round QB in this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jds0912 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 1 minute ago, clskinsfan said: Willis is going to have to sit for while. Maybe even multiple years. Ron doesnt have time for that. I think we end up trading up in the draft for either Pickett or Corral. But that is just my gut. I wouldnt hate picking Strong or Howell at 9 either. We have to come away with a first round QB in this draft. I totally agree with you that we have to go QB in the first round. I think you’re right that Willis would have to sit for a few years, but only if we try to fit him into a traditional drop back offense. Imo he could play right away and be very effective if we run a ravens type offense because it relies on athleticism more than quick thinking. I love Pickett and Coral bc they can be the prototypical pocket passer and they also have some speed but not like Willis has. I’m not as high on Howell bc he’s just a little short for a pocket passer and he didn’t have a great season this year. Only problem I have with Strong is he didn’t face great competition. I know there are exceptions like Russell Wilson and Drew Brees being short and Josh Allen playing at Wyoming, but I just trust prospects a lot more if they have the size and experience of facing top competition. Since that’s what I believe I’m sure Howell and Strong will go on to be hall of famers 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Still saying it. If Texans go QB in round 1. Let's trade for Davis Mills. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jds0912 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Alcoholic Zebra said: Still saying it. If Texans go QB in round 1. Let's trade for Davis Mills. Absolutely! I was begging for us to draft Mills. Great young qb. Great neck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Noone sits for a few years anymore. At most you sit for like half a year like Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 33 minutes ago, Alcoholic Zebra said: Still saying it. If Texans go QB in round 1. Let's trade for Davis Mills. I liked Mills a lot during last years draft cycle. Even got laughed at about it quite a bit. And I looked like a fool the first half of the season. He played really poorly. He played well the second half of the season. I would prefer Pickett, Corral or Strong over him in this draft though. There is something to be said for having that 5th year option with a first rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rook Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 5 hours ago, clskinsfan said: Purely comps from my eyes. Seeing flashes of those guys in each one while watching their tape. Only did the comps for fun. Nothing more. I liked your write-ups and appreciate your post. I did toss up the laugh emoji on the post but it was for the comparisons not your evals. Comparisons are tough to validate, but I appreciate you doing it.👍 The Rook 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jds0912 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Pickett and Coral are better prospects than Mills was. Mills has shown what he can do though. If the Texans take one of them and we don’t get the other or Willis I’d definitely trade for Mills. I also loved Trask and would love to see us trade for him but that’s unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Warhead36 said: Noone sits for a few years anymore. At most you sit for like half a year like Jackson. Trey Lance just basically sat the entire season because he was incapable of beating out an average veteran. When he did play he got a knee sprain which would have kept him out for 2 weeks normally. Instead he didnt see the field again for 12 weeks. Because he was nowhere near ready to be a Pro QB. So yeah. Players do still sit. And the 9ers gave up 3 first rounders for him by the way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rook Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, clskinsfan said: Trey Lance just basically sat the entire season because he was incapable of beating out an average veteran. When he did play he got a knee sprain which would have kept him out for 2 weeks normally. Instead he didnt see the field again for 12 weeks. Because he was nowhere near ready to be a Pro QB. So yeah. Players do still sit. And the 9ers gave up 3 first rounders for him by the way. Here is a strange thought - I honestly believe if Trey Lance was coming out this year, there is a boat-load of ES posters who would gladly trade 3 first round picks because "You have to go all-in for the QB". The Rook 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoBob Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Jds0912 said: I also loved Trask and would love to see us trade for him but that’s unlikely. What about 3x 1st for Haskins... think we could pry him away from the Steelers? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExoDus84 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Well, the Falcons got clowned by the Saints, so we are drafting #11. Thanks Matty Ice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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