New Stadium News?

[profusion]

1 hour ago, hail2skins said:

Looking forward to seeing the renderings for the new Bills place at some point. Sounds like they are reducing capacity by almost 10k from their current place.

 

Gotta make room for the table jumping stations.

[Franklin60]

The Bills will eventually regret building it to only 62,000. The Eagles did something similar when they built the Linc and quickly realized it was a mistake. I think they started with about 65,000 or 66,000. Over the past fifteen years they have had multiple renovations, each time adding seats in the three corners that were originally open.  The have probably added about three thousand more seats along the way.

 

Just build it it right the first time!

 

[hail2skins]

22 minutes ago, Franklin60 said:

The Bills will eventually regret building it to only 62,000. The Eagles did something similar when they built the Linc and quickly realized it was a mistake. I think they started with about 65,000 or 66,000. Over the past fifteen years they have had multiple renovations, each time adding seats in the three corners that were originally open.  The have probably added about three thousand more seats along the way.

 

Just build it it right the first time!

 

Crazy how FedEx started with about 80K, went to 91K, and now recent figures have it at 67K.

[tomwvr]

On 3/19/2022 at 11:06 PM, 88Comrade2000 said:

Dan already did that. MD fans can gravitate to the MD team.

You do realize there are 1 million people in pg and montgomery county that don't want to be raven fans . 
they want to be Washington fans, but if the team tells the current fans to go to hell they will lose these fans

[stoshuaj]

51 minutes ago, tomwvr said:

You do realize there are 1 million people in pg and montgomery county that don't want to be raven fans . 
they want to be Washington fans, but if the team tells the current fans to go to hell they will lose these fans

Oh bs, the fan base in general is hemorrhaging bc the product sucks.   You’re either going to be a fan or you’re not.   If a Md, Pa, Va or a fan from frigging Pluto wants to bolt, I don’t blame them but the gnashing of teeth over stadium location is a you issue, not an entire fanbase defining issue.
 

You’re whining about a 35 mile drive.  Hell, people from Richmond, Hampton Roads have been doing that plus.  You don’t think they’ll pick up fans from there if, IF they move it south some?  (I don’t think they are but the incessant whining is silly).
 

 Anecdotally, in the 70s we rode in the back of a ****box ‘55 Chevy from the Eastern Shore to go to games.  Why? Bc my dad grew up in Gaithersburg and was a Skins fan.  Hell, I drove myself and friends that far to games at 16.  They didn’t suck so it was worth it.

 

If they win people will find a way to put their ass in a stadium.  It’s already been established that fans from other franchises routinely do it.

[Skinsinparadise]

 

[tomwvr]

On 3/28/2022 at 7:23 PM, stoshuaj said:

Oh bs, the fan base in general is hemorrhaging bc the product sucks.   You’re either going to be a fan or you’re not.   If a Md, Pa, Va or a fan from frigging Pluto wants to bolt, I don’t blame them but the gnashing of teeth over stadium location is a you issue, not an entire fanbase defining issue.
 

You’re whining about a 35 mile drive.  Hell, people from Richmond, Hampton Roads have been doing that plus.  You don’t think they’ll pick up fans from there if, IF they move it south some?  (I don’t think they are but the incessant whining is silly).
 

 Anecdotally, in the 70s we rode in the back of a ****box ‘55 Chevy from the Eastern Shore to go to games.  Why? Bc my dad grew up in Gaithersburg and was a Skins fan.  Hell, I drove myself and friends that far to games at 16.  They didn’t suck so it was worth it.

 

If they win people will find a way to put their ass in a stadium.  It’s already been established that fans from other franchises routinely do it.

I’ve been a fan since 72 when I was 6. I’ve gone to games my entire life , I have gone training camp in every location except for Richmond. 
I have worked In northern Virginia for 2 of the last 6 years. Traffic in Virginia makes Maryland traffic look good. 

If they go near Dulles or leesburg there won’t be a big issue, but if the team goes down 95 to dumfries it will be a disaster 

[FootballZombie]

Hard to say if that talk of slashing big money off the Virginia proposals is not some effort to try to get the team to sign on the dotted line.

 

I'm not sure if it boosts the chances of a VA stadium or hurts it.

[lavar1156]

This thing is going to end up in Landover. And honestly it's probably for the best.

[88Comrade2000]

4 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Good job Virginia; let Dan finance the bulk of stadium himself.

2 hours ago, lavar1156 said:

This thing is going to end up in Landover. And honestly it's probably for the best.

I’ve said Dan will build it in Fed Ex parking lot or at Fed Ex itself. Team would have to play somewhere while new stadium is built over FedEx.

[hail2skins]

1 hour ago, 88Comrade2000 said:

I’ve said Dan will build it in Fed Ex parking lot or at Fed Ex itself. Team would have to play somewhere while new stadium is built over FedEx.

The Broncos and Giants both played at their old stadiums while the new ones were being built adjacent. I'm pretty sure the Bills are going to do the same. However, I can see the skepticism on how it would be pulled off here. How much would parking capacity be reduced in Landover during construction.

 

With those other teams I mentioned, at least they had experienced periods of success in their old stadiums. This team has pretty much experienced failure in the 25 seasons we've been there. Not even one divisional round playoff game has been hosted there. That is shocking.

 

I'd be cool with a VA location, but really wish to build at RFK once that place is torn down. I know Dan is talking about some big megaplex, but I have a feeling those plans are going to be scaled down in a big way.

[Mrshadow008]

7 hours ago, 88Comrade2000 said:

Good job Virginia; let Dan finance the bulk of stadium himself.

I’ve said Dan will build it in Fed Ex parking lot or at Fed Ex itself. Team would have to play somewhere while new stadium is built over FedEx.

You realize as fans we are going to pay for it one way or another right? the difference is would rather pay for it over a long time through taxes or tax breaks from the team etc. or pay for it up front in the form of $10,000 PSLs that's going to likely price out even more of your every day fan. IF all that was included was an outdoor stadium id be right there with you. but if you get a domed stadium that can host super bowls, world cups, acc or ncaa tourneys, major concerts, a year round sports book, restaurants, bars and hotels, seen a possible casino mentioned etc you have to look at it a little differently as instead of something that only creates jobs and revenue 8-10 times a year youve now created 100s to 1000s of jobs with revenue coming in all year round. for me it really depends on whether we get everything rumored to be coming along with the new stadium or just a stadium. 

[hail2skins]

I've resigned myself that the new stadium will be enclosed and can appreciate that such a facility would have the capability to host more events on a year-round basis. However, the new stadium would get one token Super Bowl and that's it.  I don't see them largely moving from the rotation of Florida, New Orleans, Arizona, and probably Vegas anytime soon.

 

I'd prefer an outdoor stadium somewhere where we can build up dining venues nearby that people can enjoy pre and postgame.

[Redskins 2021]

3 hours ago, Mrshadow008 said:

You realize as fans we are going to pay for it one way or another right? the difference is would rather pay for it over a long time through taxes or tax breaks from the team etc. or pay for it up front in the form of $10,000 PSLs that's going to likely price out even more of your every day fan. IF all that was included was an outdoor stadium id be right there with you. but if you get a domed stadium that can host super bowls, world cups, acc or ncaa tourneys, major concerts, a year round sports book, restaurants, bars and hotels, seen a possible casino mentioned etc you have to look at it a little differently as instead of something that only creates jobs and revenue 8-10 times a year youve now created 100s to 1000s of jobs with revenue coming in all year round. for me it really depends on whether we get everything rumored to be coming along with the new stadium or just a stadium. 

 We don't have the fans base to have psl.

[Mrshadow008]

1 minute ago, Redskins 2021 said:

 We don't have the fans base to have psl.

There will be people that would pay them. And if they can string together 2 or 3 play off years over next few seasons before new stadium opens people would flock to the stadium. Especially you start putting bars and stuff around it. Hell theyve sold 10,000 new season tickets for next year already at the dump that is fed ex after two 7-9 seasons. 

[Skinsinparadise]

 

In addition to the challenge of selling tickets, the franchise continues to operate under the cloud of sexual harassment investigations by Congress and the NFL. And with Virginia planning to pay back whatever stadium bonds it sells using future tax revenue from a new stadium, that unnamed State Senator added “a lot of us have concerns that the team has the ability to stay viable for a decade. Or even, five years.”

Edited March 30, 2022 by Skinsinparadise

[88Comrade2000]

3 hours ago, Mrshadow008 said:

You realize as fans we are going to pay for it one way or another right? the difference is would rather pay for it over a long time through taxes or tax breaks from the team etc. or pay for it up front in the form of $10,000 PSLs that's going to likely price out even more of your every day fan. IF all that was included was an outdoor stadium id be right there with you. but if you get a domed stadium that can host super bowls, world cups, acc or ncaa tourneys, major concerts, a year round sports book, restaurants, bars and hotels, seen a possible casino mentioned etc you have to look at it a little differently as instead of something that only creates jobs and revenue 8-10 times a year youve now created 100s to 1000s of jobs with revenue coming in all year round. for me it really depends on whether we get everything rumored to be coming along with the new stadium or just a stadium. 

Billionaires shouldn't get taxpayers money to fund stadiums. Better uses for that taxpayers dollars. I don't give a **** if the fans have to pay thru pals.  It's time to stop this corporate welfare and this should become a political issue in future elections. There needs to be a national ban on this. These sports teams make billions now, fund your own stadium.

[GoCommiesGo]

SIP, that's astounding. Though, I don't really disagree with the take. Beyond the football team he has shown no ability to run a successful business in the past twenty years. 

 

 

[Redskins 2021]

1 hour ago, Mrshadow008 said:

There will be people that would pay them. And if they can string together 2 or 3 play off years over next few seasons before new stadium opens people would flock to the stadium. Especially you start putting bars and stuff around it. Hell theyve sold 10,000 new season tickets for next year already at the dump that is fed ex after two 7-9 seasons. 

 At reduced prices there are good teams that can't sell psl.

[Mrshadow008]

31 minutes ago, Redskins 2021 said:

 At reduced prices there are good teams that can't sell psl.

oh i know that. im not sitting here saying they will have a line out the door of people willing to pay them but there would be people willing too.

[tshile]

On 3/30/2022 at 7:47 AM, Mrshadow008 said:

pay for it up front in the form of $10,000 PSLs that's going to likely price out even more of your every day fan

As a former season ticket holder, but forever tax payer, NO TAX PAYER MONEY

[tomwvr]

53 minutes ago, tshile said:

As a former season ticket holder, but forever tax payer, NO TAX PAYER MONEY

I agree to a point.

government money should not go to subsidize stadiums, but I have no issues with government building the roads and the other infrastructure.

[tshile]

5 minutes ago, tomwvr said:

I agree to a point.

government money should not go to subsidize stadiums, but I have no issues with government building the roads and the other infrastructure.

I’m willing for there to be some sort of give and take because there is tax revenue. For example PG county had a 10% amusement tax on everything related to FedEx. 
 

so. Sure. There’s a way to contribute. 
 

but the nfl robs municipalities blind. So barring some detailed breakdown that explains why it’s not a gigantic loser for the tax payers and local community, my default stance is NO. 
 

It should be telling the other two potential governments in the area aren’t interested at all. 
 

it’s not because they’re stupid and rejecting a giant tax windfall for their constituents and the betterment of their local community. 
 

it’s because on top of it being a loser move, the person they’d be doing it for is a gigantic piece of garbage. 

Edited March 31, 2022 by tshile

[88Comrade2000]

If Dan cooking the books is true; no way anyone gives him a stadium.

 

 

[Renegade7]

If this turns into a tax money drying up situation, this helps the chances of a stadium only and not some sprawling campus.  That's helps DC, there's not enough space to build the Dulles proposal on Capitol Hill / RFK site.