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Has your team support wained due to ownership or can you see past it?  

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  1. 1. Will you attend a game and support the team while Dan Snyder is the owner of the team, regardless of success?

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    • I would start attending games if Dan was no longer the owner of the team.
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3 minutes ago, 88Comrade2000 said:

If new Gm/coach decides on a total rebuild and decides to trade our assets for picks ; would be in favor of it?

I don’t think we have that many assets worth trading, not for premium picks anyway. We’d likely get a haul for Terry. Aside from that I’m not sure we get much return on the rest. And in that example, Terry is currently a marketing dream for the organisation. 
 

If the situation is still in flux next March/April then we should be banking up cap space by sitting out FA and maybe even backing out of the 2023 draft for a raft of 2024 draft picks.

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23 minutes ago, 88Comrade2000 said:

If new Gm/coach decides on a total rebuild and decides to trade our assets for picks ; would be in favor of it?

Well considering we are in dire need of a total rebuild im 1000% for it. Treat 2023 as a tank year. 

 

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This current staff can’t be allowed to stay behind this year. They just can’t. Can’t continue to watch Ron be in conversation with Hackett as being one of the worst game managing HCs in the league along with his woeful roster building 

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1 hour ago, Zim489 said:

This current staff can’t be allowed to stay behind this year. They just can’t. Can’t continue to watch Ron be in conversation with Hackett as being one of the worst game managing HCs in the league along with his woeful roster building 

The timing of sale/ approval likely precludes that. The only way Ron not the coach in 23; he resigns.

 

It’s possible the new owner hires someone when he’s approved in March but he’d have to go thru the Rooney rule. Doubtful other teams would let Commies interview their coaches then. A college coach?  Usually when there’s a late coaching change; someone on the staff gets promoted.

 

Just accept 23 as a lost year.

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2 minutes ago, 88Comrade2000 said:

The timing of sale/ approval likely precludes that. The only way Ron not the coach in 23; he resigns.

 

It’s possible the new owner hires someone when he’s approved in March but he’d have to go thru the Rooney rule. Doubtful other teams would let Commies interview their coaches then. A college coach?  Usually when there’s a late coaching change; someone on the staff gets promoted.

 

Just accept 23 as a lost year.

 

Coaches can interview for head positions at any point, they don't need team permission for an upgrade. 

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14 minutes ago, 88Comrade2000 said:

Just accept 23 as a lost year.

I’m ok with 23 being a lost year. I don’t want it to be a year whwre Ron and co sell out future assets and cap to try and save their jobs to end up being mediocre again. 

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1 hour ago, Zim489 said:

I’m ok with 23 being a lost year. I don’t want it to be a year whwre Ron and co sell out future assets and cap to try and save their jobs to end up being mediocre again. 

If a new owner approved by owners meeting or sooner; Ron won’t be in that position.

 

I’d rather just have a stopgap coach. Dan won’t fire Ron. Ron maybe to stubborn to resign. Don’t think ownership change can happen quickly enough.

 

As for giving up assets, Ron hasn’t done that yet.  Ron’s already been through one ownership change; he knows he doesn’t have a long term future. Is he going to try to save his job by trading assets away? And what’s he trading for? Odds are Carson remains the qb. 
 

Considering the team is for sale, very likely we don’t participate in free agency.

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2 hours ago, Barry.Randolphe said:

 

I'm saying we tank next season to set us up for the top pick

Unfortunately, we don’t tank.  That’s why we been mediocre for decades and going nowhere.  Even if we somehow get a top 5 pick, we’ll pass on a QB, Tua or Herbert, for D player.  
 

 

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On 11/5/2022 at 12:16 PM, 88Comrade2000 said:

If new Gm/coach decides on a total rebuild and decides to trade our assets for picks ; would be in favor of it?

 

No, it's really hard to get return value on trades in the NFL and several of our best young players, especially in Defense, are still on rookie contracts.  It wouldn't make us better, we need cap space for an oline overhaul, not a whole new team.

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At FedEx Field, hope emerges for Commanders fans after years of resignation

 

n the parking lots and in the stands at FedEx Field on Sunday, Washington Commanders fans saw the familiar “Sell the Team” signs and T-shirts and banners in a new light. The slogan for years had been a cry of frustration and of exasperation, the only recourse for those who had stuck around as a once-proud franchise lost games on the field and fans in the stands. But now, some said they felt a sense of hope.

 
 

Though there was skepticism, too — some said they will refuse to believe Daniel and Tanya Snyder would sell the Commanders until it actually happens — there were more signs, more banners and a buzz among the tailgaters. One fan improvised by sticking two sheets of paper below the windshield wipers of his Ford that read “BYE DAN.”

“It’s what this fan base needs to bring back people who have left us over the last [25] years,” said Justin Lake, a season-ticket holder, adding: “It’s been tough as fans to stick through it. We’ve done our best. But this is a little bit of a light at the end of the tunnel for us. It gives us hope.”

 

 

Back in Week 7, fans had chanted “Sell the team!” But this week, only one section of the crowd did — and it was just before kickoff. For the rest of the 20-17 loss to the Minnesota Vikings, fans were more engaged by the players on the field than the owner in his luxury box. They contended with a sizable contingent of opposing fans, as usual, but cheered their team loudly and passionately as it battled to extend its winning streak against one of the best teams in the NFC.

 

During the game, the video boards didn’t show Tanya Snyder — her appearance had prompted boos in Week 7 — and the crowd’s energy was saved for the biggest moments: the heroics of quarterback Taylor Heinicke, the appearance of team dog Mando and the misfortune of Vikings quarterback Kirk Cousins, who once played for Washington.

“You like that!” the crowd yelled, trolling him with an old catchphrase. “You like that! You like that!”

 

In and around FedEx Field on Sunday, fans remembered the shock and disbelief they felt after hearing Wednesday morning that the Snyders had retained an investment bank to “consider potential transactions.” Many learned of the news from sports radio, cellphone notifications or calls from friends and family members. Chris Handon did a double take when a broadcaster said it on Fox 5, and Miles Fang had to see several posts on Twitter before he believed it.

 

Lake called his father, Jeff, screaming with joy, and then picked up his 8-month-old son and said, with what he called genuine joy, “You’re not going to have to live through Dan Snyder!”

“We thought we were stuck,” Jeff Lake said, grinning.

 

Before the game, Tim Manley, a 47-year-old fan who owns a screen-printing business, set up his tailgate and hung on it some of the shirts he had made over the years to chronicle the pains of rooting for Washington.

Once, he had created a shirt that read “WANTED” over a cartoon drawing of Snyder’s face. In 2016, he had made “Make the Redskins Great Again,” with “Fire Bruce” (referring to former team president Bruce Allen) and “Impeach Dan” on the back. In 2021, when Snyder bought out his minority partners, including FedEx founder Frederick W. Smith, Manley photoshopped the old logo with the text “FedUp.”

 

Two weeks ago, after Indianapolis Colts owner Jim Irsay said there was “merit” to remove Snyder as owner, Manley devised a new shirt. This one was inspired by Barack Obama’s famous 2008 campaign poster and included a picture of Irsay’s face, tinted burgundy and gold, above the slogan “HOPE.” On the back, it read “SELL THE TEAM.”

“The only parade Dan Snyder would bring to D.C. is when he’s on his way out,” he added.

 

One fan, Nelita Stauffer, recently bought a “Sell the Team” shirt after she saw an ad on Instagram. Another, Walt Dowling, was in the club section during the Green Bay game last month when he saw fans in the stands below holding a sign with the same slogan. The next day, he read that stadium staffers forced the fans to take the signs down, and he resolved to support the cause himself.

 

“I decided to get the shirt to see if they tried to make me take it off,” he said.

In the afterglow of Wednesday’s announcement, fans dreamed of what that could mean. Some suggested it could mean a new culture, a new name and a new stadium — maybe even in D.C. But most just hoped that somehow, some way, it would give them back the winning team they once had.

 

“I’m not even talking about winning a Super Bowl,” Ryan Pinkston said. “[It’s] just feeling good again.”

Pinkston said he recently spent time with a friend who once had season tickets but eventually gave up on the team. The friend said he was trying to pick a new team to support.

“I said, ‘I will not accept your resignation,’ ” Pinkston remembered. “It’s going to make it so much better when we’re back.”

 

During the game, Coach Ron Rivera said he noticed a difference in the crowd. Commanders fans had battled Vikings supporters and tried to give his team a home-field advantage it so often lacks. In the end, even though the Commanders lost, some of the same fans who have made the bleak walk out of FedEx Field many times over the years didn’t seem so dejected anymore.

“Sell the team!” they chanted. “Sell the team! Sell the team! Sell the team!”

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/11/06/commanders-fans-snyder-sell-team/

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Some advice for potential buyers: Commanders fans are a valuable asset

The billionaires lining up to express interest in the Washington Commanders should have seen the photo of season ticket holder Caiyl Bawa’s seat.

As he has at every other home game this season, Bawa, a lifelong fan who inherited tickets from his father, showed up to FedEx Field and walked down to Section 101, Row 28, Seat 5. Right under the Snyder family’s suite. This time, however, he discovered the plastic at the bottom of his very expensive resting place had melted. How? Bawa had no clue. He just knew the seat was unsuitable for sitting.

 
 
 

“Not surprised,” Bawa said. “Outside of surface-level upgrades, they really have not touched the lower level in years. It’s a dump.”

 

But the photo of that mangled, melted plastic unfit for anyone’s derriere illustrates a major selling point for this team. Because Bawa stayed, sat down and still cheered on the Commanders.

 

There are plenty of fans just like Bawa. No matter how exhausting their experience can get — despite the five consecutive losing seasons, the decades of embarrassment they’ve endured and even Sunday’s 20-17 letdown against the Minnesota Vikings and old friend Kirk Cousins — they still show up. They always show up.

 

So to the super wealthy who may want to add an NFL franchise to their portfolios, here’s some unsolicited advice: Buy this team. The desperate and neglected fans who live within these borders will be worth the investment. If they will commit their hours and shovel their money into Daniel Snyder’s operation, then just imagine the love they would shower on a team owned by individuals who might actually respect them.

 

For now, the owner and the fans will continue this awkward dance of avoidance. Snyder won’t publicly show his face, and fans will keep showing up to the NFL’s most hospitable stadium for visitors.

 

Every week, Commanders fans have to play defense inside their own home. Already, they have lived through a Philadelphia takeover and a Green Bay invasion. Then, on Sunday, a foreign “Skol” clap filled their house. The game drew a paid attendance of 58,651, which Vivid Seats projected to be about 60 percent Commanders fans. But though the slight majority could be heard during the sing-songy “Hein-ick-e!” chants, a sea of purple silenced home fans during the low points in the game, particularly in the lower bowl behind the Vikings’ sideline.

 

Yet Washington fans know this is just another afternoon of football at FedEx Field, where they will persevere and cheer on. Just like they will Nov. 27, when the Commanders host the Falcons and somehow their home will look as though it’s located in a suburb north of Atlanta. These are the visible reminders that a large chunk of the fan base has fallen off — but still, it’s no mystery why Forbes can value this franchise, with a dysfunctional owner and a dumpy stadium, at $5.6 billion.

 

“It is still one of the NFL’s marquee franchises in one of the wealthiest parts of the country that I think, if it were ever put up for sale, would have people banging down the door to buy the franchise and recognizing that everything that has happened over the last 10 years is something that is fixable,” Kurt Badenhausen, a reporter who helped Forbes value franchises for more than two decades, told The Washington Post in January.

“There is a narrative that Washington … will be in a much different place financially in six or seven years than it is right now,” Badenhausen added. “When you’re looking at a valuation, you’re looking forward and not looking back. That’s the reality of things. This isn’t a small-market franchise that has struggled to draw fans for decades. This was once one of the NFL’s two or three marquee franchises, and I think any buyer would see a path where that is possible again.”

 

The fans who remain probably see that vision as well. Though many still hold on to the glory days, they’re buying into the team’s rebrand, quite literally. Before kickoff, the scene outside the Commanders’ team store looked like Black Friday as fans formed a line that snaked down the concourse, at least the length of a football field, just to purchase the team’s official all-black alternate jersey.

 

“As a fan, I don’t think any of [Snyder’s] doings affect me on game day, but as a human being, I think he sucks,” said Peter Gallagher, a fan from Calvert County.

Gallagher would rather see a new owner, but still, he waited in line Sunday to buy his 11th team jersey. This one: a No. 4 Heinicke in black. While walking the concourse, a team official noticed fans such as Gallagher and giddily pointed out the line to get inside the store to a nearby reporter. These are the morsels that can nourish the Commanders: their new jerseys and even team dog Mando, who received one of the loudest ovations of the day. The rebrand is clicking with the die-hards. Now, just imagine if the team could somehow recapture a lost generation of fans.

 

The interested billionaires should be imagining this pot of gold, too, the chance to fill the seats with new Commanders fans, because the loyalists such as Bawa aren’t going anywhere.

 

By the way, Bawa never had to rest his bum on that broken seat. He may be an old-timer, at least when it comes to loving the professional football team here, but he’s a modern-day fan who knows how to tweet his frustration to get results. After he tagged several team officials in a photo of the problem, staffers came down and quickly fixed the seat. He even received a new seat cushion.

Satisfied, Bawa stayed and enjoyed watching his favorite football team. Even better: When he looked behind him toward the owners’ suite, he never saw Snyder.

Bawa and the fans like him are the reason there’s something worth saving here. And their love, the team’s most valuable asset, should be worth the billions.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/11/06/commanders-fans-valuable-asset-snyder/

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Some advice for potential buyers: Commanders fans are a valuable asset

The billionaires lining up to express interest in the Washington Commanders should have seen the photo of season ticket holder Caiyl Bawa’s seat.

As he has at every other home game this season, Bawa, a lifelong fan who inherited tickets from his father, showed up to FedEx Field and walked down to Section 101, Row 28, Seat 5. Right under the Snyder family’s suite. This time, however, he discovered the plastic at the bottom of his very expensive resting place had melted. How? Bawa had no clue. He just knew the seat was unsuitable for sitting.

 
 
 

“Not surprised,” Bawa said. “Outside of surface-level upgrades, they really have not touched the lower level in years. It’s a dump.”

 

But the photo of that mangled, melted plastic unfit for anyone’s derriere illustrates a major selling point for this team. Because Bawa stayed, sat down and still cheered on the Commanders.

 

There are plenty of fans just like Bawa. No matter how exhausting their experience can get — despite the five consecutive losing seasons, the decades of embarrassment they’ve endured and even Sunday’s 20-17 letdown against the Minnesota Vikings and old friend Kirk Cousins — they still show up. They always show up.

 

So to the super wealthy who may want to add an NFL franchise to their portfolios, here’s some unsolicited advice: Buy this team. The desperate and neglected fans who live within these borders will be worth the investment. If they will commit their hours and shovel their money into Daniel Snyder’s operation, then just imagine the love they would shower on a team owned by individuals who might actually respect them.

 

For now, the owner and the fans will continue this awkward dance of avoidance. Snyder won’t publicly show his face, and fans will keep showing up to the NFL’s most hospitable stadium for visitors.

 

Every week, Commanders fans have to play defense inside their own home. Already, they have lived through a Philadelphia takeover and a Green Bay invasion. Then, on Sunday, a foreign “Skol” clap filled their house. The game drew a paid attendance of 58,651, which Vivid Seats projected to be about 60 percent Commanders fans. But though the slight majority could be heard during the sing-songy “Hein-ick-e!” chants, a sea of purple silenced home fans during the low points in the game, particularly in the lower bowl behind the Vikings’ sideline.

 

Yet Washington fans know this is just another afternoon of football at FedEx Field, where they will persevere and cheer on. Just like they will Nov. 27, when the Commanders host the Falcons and somehow their home will look as though it’s located in a suburb north of Atlanta. These are the visible reminders that a large chunk of the fan base has fallen off — but still, it’s no mystery why Forbes can value this franchise, with a dysfunctional owner and a dumpy stadium, at $5.6 billion.

 

“It is still one of the NFL’s marquee franchises in one of the wealthiest parts of the country that I think, if it were ever put up for sale, would have people banging down the door to buy the franchise and recognizing that everything that has happened over the last 10 years is something that is fixable,” Kurt Badenhausen, a reporter who helped Forbes value franchises for more than two decades, told The Washington Post in January.

“There is a narrative that Washington … will be in a much different place financially in six or seven years than it is right now,” Badenhausen added. “When you’re looking at a valuation, you’re looking forward and not looking back. That’s the reality of things. This isn’t a small-market franchise that has struggled to draw fans for decades. This was once one of the NFL’s two or three marquee franchises, and I think any buyer would see a path where that is possible again.”

 

The fans who remain probably see that vision as well. Though many still hold on to the glory days, they’re buying into the team’s rebrand, quite literally. Before kickoff, the scene outside the Commanders’ team store looked like Black Friday as fans formed a line that snaked down the concourse, at least the length of a football field, just to purchase the team’s official all-black alternate jersey.

 

“As a fan, I don’t think any of [Snyder’s] doings affect me on game day, but as a human being, I think he sucks,” said Peter Gallagher, a fan from Calvert County.

Gallagher would rather see a new owner, but still, he waited in line Sunday to buy his 11th team jersey. This one: a No. 4 Heinicke in black. While walking the concourse, a team official noticed fans such as Gallagher and giddily pointed out the line to get inside the store to a nearby reporter. These are the morsels that can nourish the Commanders: their new jerseys and even team dog Mando, who received one of the loudest ovations of the day. The rebrand is clicking with the die-hards. Now, just imagine if the team could somehow recapture a lost generation of fans.

 

The interested billionaires should be imagining this pot of gold, too, the chance to fill the seats with new Commanders fans, because the loyalists such as Bawa aren’t going anywhere.

 

By the way, Bawa never had to rest his bum on that broken seat. He may be an old-timer, at least when it comes to loving the professional football team here, but he’s a modern-day fan who knows how to tweet his frustration to get results. After he tagged several team officials in a photo of the problem, staffers came down and quickly fixed the seat. He even received a new seat cushion.

Satisfied, Bawa stayed and enjoyed watching his favorite football team. Even better: When he looked behind him toward the owners’ suite, he never saw Snyder.

Bawa and the fans like him are the reason there’s something worth saving here. And their love, the team’s most valuable asset, should be worth the billions.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/11/06/commanders-fans-valuable-asset-snyder/

 

 

Good article, but I don't feel like the rebrand is clicking for die hards.

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