BBC: China pneumonia outbreak: COVID-19 Global Pandemic

[EmirOfShmo]

17 hours ago, skinsmarydu said:

Piggyback on CC's article about Missouri from Thursday, and how this year could turn out worse than last year. 

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/07/delta-missouri-pandemic-surge/619456/?utm_source=pocket-newtab

Pretty sad where MO is on this. And there's a FREE shot that can stop the spread that people are refusing to get. I feel bad for the healthcare workers there. I don't know how they do it. I couldn't. 

 

"None of Missouri’s 114 counties has vaccinated more than 50 percent of its population, and 75 haven’t yet managed more than 30 percent. Many such communities exist around the U.S."

[skinsmarydu]

3 minutes ago, EmirOfShmo said:

Pretty sad where MO is on this. And there's a FREE shot that can stop the spread that people are refusing to get. I feel bad for the healthcare workers there. I don't know how they do it. I couldn't. 

 

"None of Missouri’s 114 counties has vaccinated more than 50 percent of its population, and 75 haven’t yet managed more than 30 percent. Many such communities exist around the U.S."

Right?  It's free, and probably any boosters will be too.  It's different when a POTUS who actually cares about LIFE is in charge. 

I busted my ass to get vaxxed, which turned out to be actually for nothing...I'm not going anywhere, travel plans are gone.  Just stuck here. 

[Burgold]

This seems pretty spot on to me, too.

 

 

[Captain Wiggles]

6 hours ago, EmirOfShmo said:

 

"None of Missouri’s 114 counties has vaccinated more than 50 percent of its population, and 75 haven’t yet managed more than 30 percent. Many such communities exist around the U.S."

 

NC is another such state. Majority of the counties are well under 50% vaccinated. A handful are over 50% and I think only one county is above 60%. 😣

[goskins10]

@CurseReversed

3 hours ago, CurseReversed said:

injected with hastily constructed experimental medical treatments from billion dollar mega corporations with no liability, 

 

 

There is so much misinformation in your post I could not let it go. But here in the tailgate where it belongs. There is nothing hastily put together in terms of these vaccines and they are anything but experimental. Please read this: 

 

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained 

 

It's not political. It's not from Facebook or twitter or some other bull****. It's from the FDA themselves. Please at least educate yourself on what that means. At least based on your comment above, you really have no idea what it means to be FDA fully approved or be under EUA or you would not make the claim above. 

 

Currently, the gross majority of all Covid deaths are from people who have NOT been vaccinated. So the life you save by gaining a better understanding of the facts may be your own. 

[Ball Security]

17 minutes ago, goskins10 said:

@CurseReversed

 

There is so much misinformation in your post I could not let it go. But here in the tailgate where it belongs. There is nothing hastily put together in terms of these vaccines and they are anything but experimental. Please read this: 

 

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained 

 

It's not political. It's not from Facebook or twitter or some other bull****. It's from the FDA themselves. Please at least educate yourself on what that means. At least based on your comment above, you really have no idea what it means to be FDA fully approved or be under EUA or you would not make the claim above. 

 

Currently, the gross majority of all Covid deaths are from people who have NOT been vaccinated. So the life you save by gaining a better understanding of the facts may be your own. 

Where is the quoted post coming from?

[goskins10]

1 minute ago, Ball Security said:

Where is the quoted post coming from?

 

It came from the stadium in the OTA thread.  Much of it was more rhetoric than true comment. So I deleted it. 

[Califan007 The Constipated]

Thought I'd just copy and paste t he text from this woman's tweet thread...

 

 

 

 

 

Caroline Orr Bueno, Ph.D

 

@RVAwonk

 

So I try not to complain about this b/c overall I’m very lucky, but … the long-term effects of COVID-19 are terrible and have severely impacted my quality of life. I haven’t enjoyed food for well over a year, medications I’ve taken for 10+ years suddenly don’t work…

 

I also have new vision problems and at times, pretty severe (new) nerve pain/numbness in my extremities. I can’t say for sure that these were caused by COVID, but I can say that I didn’t have any of these symptoms before I got COVID (and I’m young(ish) and otherwise healthy).

 

We spend so much time focusing on COVID deaths — and rightly so — but we should really be talking more about the long-term effects, even in people who had relatively mild illness, like me. Those “mild” cases may not look so mild in a year, a decade, etc.

 

I’m mainly saying this because I don’t want people to make the mistake of thinking that deaths and hospitalizations tell the whole story. They don’t — at least not for me, and I suspect a lot of other people, too. This needs to be factored into our public health guidance.

 

(And honest to God, the food thing is so awful. Everything smells and tastes rotten, including foods that I used to love. It’s a guessing game every time I eat or drink something. Tonight I opened a can of what used to be my favorite soup and started gagging from the smell.)

[China]

‘The surge is coming,’ Springfield Mayor Ken McClure warns other Missouri cities

 

With hospitals swamped and hundreds of cases daily from a Delta variant surge of infection, Springfield is a warning of what is ahead for the rest of the state if vaccination rates do not increase dramatically, Mayor Ken McClure said Sunday morning on a national news program.

 

And McClure defended door-to-door efforts to boost vaccinations, calling the controversy “overblown.”

 

Speaking on Face the Nation on CBS, McClure said he thought the Delta variant that is causing the massive run up in cases likely came to the city because of its central location for business in southwest Missouri.

 

It took hold because of low vaccination rates, he said, blaming social media for spreading misinformation.

 

“People are talking about fears that they have, health related fears, what it might do to them later in their lives and what is contained in the vaccination and that information is just incorrect,” McClure said. “We, as a society and certainly in our community, are being hurt by it.”

 

During May, Greene County reported an average of 25 COVID-19 infections per day, according to data from the state Department of Health and Senior Services. During the last seven days of the month, the rate was 35 per day.

 

For June, the rate was 84 per day and 123 per day in the last seven days of the month. So far in July, the county has reported 183 cases per day, with the rate rising to 206 per day in the seven days through Sunday.

 

“My message is that the surge is coming,” McClure said. “The Delta variant will be there. It is going to spread, it is already spreading throughout Missouri. Take advantage of this time and get your vaccination rate as high as you can.”

 

Click on the link for the full article

[tmandoug1]

6 hours ago, goskins10 said:

@CurseReversed

 

There is so much misinformation in your post I could not let it go. But here in the tailgate where it belongs. There is nothing hastily put together in terms of these vaccines and they are anything but experimental. Please read this: 

 

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained 

 

It's not political. It's not from Facebook or twitter or some other bull****. It's from the FDA themselves. Please at least educate yourself on what that means. At least based on your comment above, you really have no idea what it means to be FDA fully approved or be under EUA or you would not make the claim above. 

 

Currently, the gross majority of all Covid deaths are from people who have NOT been vaccinated. So the life you save by gaining a better understanding of the facts may be your own. 

How long does it normally take for the FDA to approve a drug? Pre Covid of course.....any idea? I have been Vaxed only because of my heart issue.

[China]

4 minutes ago, tmandoug1 said:

How long does it normally take for the FDA to approve a drug? Pre Covid of course.....any idea? I have been Vaxed only because of my heart issue.

 

For a biologic, it typically takes between 6 months and a year for approval once a full application has been submitted to the FDA.  If questions come up during the review process the back and forth can stretch out this timeline, however under PDUFA (Prescription Drug User Fee Act) guidelines the FDA tries to act (approve or deny) 90% of applications within 10 months.  For applications under accelerated approval pathways the timeline would be shorter.  

[China]

Covid does not care about your political affiliation (or your vaccination status apparently):

 

3 Texas House Democrats test positive for Covid-19 in Washington, DC

 

Three Texas state House Democrats who traveled to Washington, DC, this week have tested positive for Covid-19, The Texas House Democratic Caucus said in a statement Saturday.

 

The lawmakers are part of the group that left Texas, flying from Austin to Washington to break the state House's quorum and block Republicans from passing a restrictive new voting law. All three members who tested positive are fully vaccinated, according to the caucus. They were not identified in the Saturday statement.

 

Click on the link for the full article

[China]

‘Everyone is dying’: Myanmar on the brink of decimation

 

Two days ago, I spent six hours on encrypted apps with contacts inside the country trying to locate one – just one –  oxygen concentrator for the mother of my friend, whom I will call “Ma Moon.”

 

Her mother’s oxygen saturation rate had dropped precipitously in one day from 95 to 70.

 

I do not know this for sure – in these circumstances, we know we cannot ask this question – but I think the family is being treated on a daily basis by doctors who have “gone underground” in a civil disobedience campaign.

 

Medical professionals are among the most respected individuals in the country, and so their decision to oppose the February 1 military coup d’etat that took down the elected civilian government carried immense weight among the population.

 

One estimate provided by public health experts in Myanmar predicts that 50% of Myanmar’s 55 million people will be infected within three weeks by either the Alpha or Delta variant of Covid-19.

 

One very reputable public health specialist expects that the population will be decimated by at least 10-15 million by the time Covid is done with Myanmar.

 

Click on the link for the full article

[LD0506]

14 hours ago, goskins10 said:

@CurseReversed

 

There is so much misinformation in your post I could not let it go. But here in the tailgate where it belongs. There is nothing hastily put together in terms of these vaccines and they are anything but experimental. Please read this: 

 

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained 

 

It's not political. It's not from Facebook or twitter or some other bull****. It's from the FDA themselves. Please at least educate yourself on what that means. At least based on your comment above, you really have no idea what it means to be FDA fully approved or be under EUA or you would not make the claim above. 

 

Currently, the gross majority of all Covid deaths are from people who have NOT been vaccinated. So the life you save by gaining a better understanding of the facts may be your own. 

 

Damn, I respect your stamina, but we both know that you are talking to the wind, right? NONE of these people are or can be convinced or swayed by mere facts. We doan need no steenkin facts! 

 

We now can see the % of troglodytes in our midst that have been masked by the efforts of everyone else to maintain a civilized society. At the first chance they pop right back into their caves and stop even pretending to believe in science or medicine or hygiene or humanity. Get your tickets early for when they start up human sacrifices and witch burnings again.

[goskins10]

8 hours ago, tmandoug1 said:

How long does it normally take for the FDA to approve a drug? Pre Covid of course.....any idea? I have been Vaxed only because of my heart issue.

 

There is not much I can add to @China response. 

 

I will ask what do you mean you have been vaxed only becasue of your heart issue. Are you saying you got it early becasue you have a heart issue or are you saying you would not have gotten it otherwise? 

 

Not saying this is your position, more an open statement, I just don't understand the entire "I will not be vaccinated" position. I understood maybe I will hold off a few months to make sure people are not dropped to their death, although if you looked at the science that was also a fairly irrational position. But I at least get it. But at this point, there is zero rational reason to not get vaccinated. 

 

For people like me who like numbers - here is something staggering: 

334,000,000 vaccinated - 6,058 deaths that are believed to possibly be caused by the vaccine - no reports are definitive. In the US alone - 34,000,000 Covid cases with 607,000 deaths. Are all those truly due to Covid? Probably not. However, the comparison is stark. There is an entire factor of 10 less Covid cases with a factor of 100 times more deaths, and that's it you conclude the worst case for the vaccine. I will take my chances with the vaccine all day long.  Sure seems like a no brainer to me. 

[goskins10]

1 hour ago, LD0506 said:

 

Damn, I respect your stamina, but we both know that you are talking to the wind, right? NONE of these people are or can be convinced or swayed by mere facts. We doan need no steenkin facts! 

 

We now can see the % of troglodytes in our midst that have been masked by the efforts of everyone else to maintain a civilized society. At the first chance they pop right back into their caves and stop even pretending to believe in science or medicine or hygiene or humanity. Get your tickets early for when they start up human sacrifices and witch burnings again.

 

Totally agree it's likely futile. Unfortunately, I am also pretty sure curse got banned before seeing the message so it was most likely even more in vian. But I have to keep trying. Those people have family and friends. They deserve to have people trying to convince the unconvincible to stop being a ****ing idiot and get vaccinated. So carry on I will. 

Edited July 19, 2021 by goskins10

[China]

Katie Hopkins deported from Australia over quarantine rules

 

Far-right British commentator Katie Hopkins has been sent home from Australia for bragging about flouting hotel quarantine rules.

 

Ms Hopkins - who has often drawn anger for racist remarks - had entered the country to star in the reality TV show Big Brother Australia.

 

On Friday she posted a video from her Sydney hotel room where she joked about putting frontline staff at risk.

 

Her comments sparked widespread anger.

 

In the video, Ms Hopkins said she planned to "lie in wait" for workers to deliver food to her room so she could open the door "naked with no face mask".

 

She also called lockdowns the "greatest hoax in human history". Australia's two biggest cities, Sydney and Melbourne, are both in lockdown after local cases of Covid-19 were detected.

The post has since been wiped from her Instagram.

 

On Monday, the Australian government confirmed it had cancelled her visa, after the TV programme sacked her.

 

Police said she had been fined A$1,000 (£537; US$737) for not wearing a face mask, and was escorted to the airport to be sent back to the UK.

 

Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews called Ms Hopkins' comments "appalling" and a "slap in the face" for Australians in lockdown.

 

"Personally, I'm very pleased she'll be leaving," she told broadcaster ABC.

 

Click on the link for the full article

[mistertim]

Should have locked her up.

[TradeTheBeal!]

[tmandoug1]

3 hours ago, goskins10 said:

 

There is not much I can add to @China response. 

 

I will ask what do you mean you have been vaxed only becasue of your heart issue. Are you saying you got it early becasue you have a heart issue or are you saying you would not have gotten it otherwise? 

 

Not saying this is your position, more an open statement, I just don't understand the entire "I will not be vaccinated" position. I understood maybe I will hold off a few months to make sure people are not dropped to their death, although if you looked at the science that was also a fairly irrational position. But I at least get it. But at this point, there is zero rational reason to not get vaccinated. 

 

For people like me who like numbers - here is something staggering: 

334,000,000 vaccinated - 6,058 deaths that are believed to possibly be caused by the vaccine - no reports are definitive. In the US alone - 34,000,000 Covid cases with 607,000 deaths. Are all those truly due to Covid? Probably not. However, the comparison is stark. There is an entire factor of 10 less Covid cases with a factor of 100 times more deaths, and that's it you conclude the worst case for the vaccine. I will take my chances with the vaccine all day long.  Sure seems like a no brainer to me. 

I was on the fence, but due to condition the wife and I got the shot. It was a very tough decision because we had traveled alot and never had an issue and now I was rolling the dice that there might be a problem or reaction to the Vax, and with my condition it may have ended my life.  How long have the vaccinations been out? Time will tell if there are any long term affects from the shot, so doing the numbers crunch now is a tad early IMHO.  The number of deaths have been way over inflated due the Cares Act and the terms "with" and "from" have now miraculously changed how we count deaths. Remember this is just an opinion. 

[JCB]

My dude, you're either a "here are the numbers" guy or a "this is an opinion" guy. Pick a lane. And please now that in all scientific (not some dude on Facebook) likelihood the numbers have been considerably short.

[goskins10]

6 minutes ago, tmandoug1 said:

I was on the fence, but due to condition the wife and I got the shot. It was a very tough decision because we had traveled alot and never had an issue and now I was rolling the dice that there might be a problem or reaction to the Vax, and with my condition it may have ended my life.  How long have the vaccinations been out? Time will tell if there are any long term affects from the shot, so doing the numbers crunch now is a tad early IMHO.  The number of deaths have been way over inflated due the Cares Act and the terms "with" and "from" have now miraculously changed how we count deaths. Remember this is just an opinion. 

 

Please check your sources. The bolded is a false statement. It has been debunked repeatedly. It's misinformation like this that keeps people from getting the vaccine. If anything Covid deaths have been under-reported. The data I have is from CDC and then specifically to side effects VAERs (also CDC) - the reporting agency for side effects for vaccines. I do not traffic in Facebook, CNN, FOX etc. I use FDA, CDC Etc. 

 

Nothing is ever 100%. But the odds are overwhelming in favor of the vaccine. This does not even touch the long term effects of Covid even if you survive. many stories of people with long term respiratory issues, loss of smell and taste permanently, chronic fatigue, and more.  

 

This is the VAERs link: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ensuringsafety/monitoring/vaers/index.html

 

[mammajamma]

It's ridiculous to me that people won't get the vaccine because they're scared of heart issues, when one of the first discovered long term effects of covid was... heart issues. People only looking at death rates when it comes to not caring about covid, but then looking at any tiny side effect they can find to avoid the vaccine

[TradeTheBeal!]

Nobody could’ve predicted this.

 

 

[The 12th Commandment]

Making perfect the enemy of good.  It's an art form for some folks these days.  The vaccine is the clearest no brainer we have had to deal with in our lives. Most of us anyhow.