BBC: China pneumonia outbreak: COVID-19 Global Pandemic

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3 hours ago, zskins said:

If you don't have an autoimmune disease then you can take black elderberry extract to boost your immune system to fight off viruses. I always keep a bottle in my medicine cabinet to fight off infections quicker - i am up and running in about two days after getting the flu or feel like coming down with something. The quicker your immune system is able to produce the antibodies to attach to the virus is better. Your body makes about 2000 antibodies a second to ward off infections. A super-charged immune system comes in handy for that purpose. 

 

Sometimes you have to look at nature to kill natural born killers. 

Not saying it is a cure but it doesn't hurt either. 

 

Here is more info on black elderberry... 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3056848/

 

Interesting article.  Discusses in vitro testing.  Looks like flavonoids may be the main pharmacodynamic component.  There seem to be questions to be answered as to the best ROA and concentration, as well as bioavailability and pharmacokinetics that may be answered with more in vivo testing.

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14 hours ago, Destino said:

Who quarantines 50 million people over a virus with reported numbers that suggest its not much more dangerous than the flu?  A lot of this doesn’t add up.  Maybe this is worse than reported. Maybe panicky Chinese leaders have over reacted.  Who can say?

 

Citizen Journalist Covering Virus Outbreak From Wuhan Goes Missing

 

Over the past couple of weeks, Chinese citizen journalists Chen Qiushi and Fang Bin have served as the world’s eyes and ears inside the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, the city of Wuhan. Broadcasting via their mobile phones, they’ve offered a glimpse of how dire things have been. Many of those videos have been posted to Twitter and reposted on YouTube.

 

Now one of them is missing.

 

Chen has been out of reach for more than 20 hours. Fang, who was silent much of Friday until a video posted in the evening, was previously detained briefly by authorities for his video of corpses in a hospital. When he filmed the dramatic moment people in hazmat suits broke down his apartment door to take him into quarantine, it sparked hundreds of comments urging the authorities to release him.

 

It’s no accident that their posts grew viral on American platforms. China’s internet watchdog has stepped up its policing efforts, announcing on Wednesday it would conduct “targeted supervision” on the largest social media platforms including Weibo, Tencent’s WeChat and ByteDance’s Douyin. The regulator has already frozen a raft of social media accounts, then stepped up online scrubbing to quiet a wave of confused outrage over the death of the doctor that first raised red flags about the disease.

 

In this environment, U.S.-based Twitter has emerged as the destination for locals seeking information about the spread of the virus. It’s officially banned in the country, but many people hop the Great Firewall and access the platform via virtual private networks.

 

“There’s a lot more activity happening on Twitter compared with Weibo and WeChat,” said Maya Wang, senior China researcher at Human Rights Watch. There has been a Chinese community on Jack Dorsey’s short-message platform since before President Xi Jinping rose to power, she added, but the recent crackdown has weakened that social circle.

 

Chen, the most visible among scores of residents documenting the human disaster around them, has for many followers become the go-to source for real facts about the epidemic. Wuhan locals have filmed some of the most chilling videos during the outbreak, including images of untreated corpses, discontent among quarantined patients in hospitals and police knocking on doors to enforce censorship. Bloomberg News has not independently verified the authenticity of those videos.

 

Twitter was becoming the last line of defense for people to gather information and record the trauma that thousands of families were experiencing.

 

“After lifting the lid briefly to give the press and social media some freedom,” said Wang about China’s ruling Communist Party, the regime “is now reinstating its control over social media, fearing it could lead to a wider-spread panic.”

 

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Coronavirus deaths exceed Sars fatalities in 2003

 

In China's Hubei province alone, the epicentre of the latest outbreak, the death toll now is put at 780 by regional health officials.

 

All but two of the overall total of 813 deaths have so far been in mainland China.

 

In 2003, 774 people were killed by Sars (severe acute respiratory syndrome) in more than two dozen countries.

 

More than 34,800 people have been infected with the new coronavirus worldwide, the vast majority in China.

 

WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said on Saturday the virus was still concentrated in Hubei, and that over the previous four days there appeared to have been a slight stabilisation in the number of cases.

 

However, he said it was still too early to say whether or not the virus has plateaued, as epidemics can often slow down before accelerating again.

 

But he added the slowdown was "an opportunity" for them to work to contain the virus.

 

On Sunday, state media reported Hebei province will keep its schools shut until at least 1 March.

 

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North Korea Secret Coronavirus Crisis

 

SEOUL–North Korea’s not saying a word about deaths or illnesses from the coronavirus, but the disease reportedly has spread across the border from China and is taking a toll in a country with a dismal health care system and scant resources for fighting off the deadly bug. 

One sure sign of the regime’s fears is that it failed to stage a parade in central Pyongyang on Saturday, the 72nd anniversary of the founding of the country’s armed forces. Last year, Kim Jong Un himself presided over the procession that displayed the North’s latest missiles and other fearsome hardware along with goose-stepping soldiers in serried ranks.

This year, nothing about the nation’s nuclear warheads, much less the “new strategic weapon” that Kim has vowed to unveil. Rodong Sinmum, the newspaper of the ruling Workers’ Party, merely cited the armed forces’ supposed success combating “severe and dangerous difficulties”—and said nothing at all about the parade.

But reports have filtered out about Kim’s subjects falling prey to coronavirus despite the country’s decision to seal its 880-mile border with China, most of it along the Yalu River into the Yellow Sea to the west, and its 11-mile border with Russia where the Tumen River flows into the Pacific.

Among the first to report fatalities in North Korea, the Seoul-based website Daily NK said five people had died in the critical northwestern city of Sinuiju, on the Yalu River across road and rail bridges from Dandong, which is the largest Chinese city in the region and a key point for commerce with North Korea despite sanctions.

Daily NK, which relies on sources inside North Korea that send reports via Chinese mobile phone networks to contacts in China, said authorities had “ordered public health officials in Sinuiju to quickly dispose of the bodies and keep the deaths secret from the public.”

The victims had crossed the porous Yalu River border despite orders to cut off traffic from China as the disease radiated from the industrial city of Wuhan where the virus originated in December. As of Sunday, more than 700 people had died inside China.

One of the first patients in North Korea reportedly was hospitalized in Sinuiju “with symptoms similar to a cold and was given fever reducers and antibiotics,” said Daily NK, but the patient died as the fever rose.  Two more patients died two days later in another hospital in Sinuiju and another two in a nearby town.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/north-korea-secret-coronavirus-crisis-182030954.html

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floating petri dish.   Also seems like a horror movie or manga come to life. 

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Coronavirus: Xi Jinping tours Beijing neighbourhood as global death toll reaches 910

 

The death toll of the coronavirus officially surpassed that of Sars, after China’s health authorities reported a further 97 deaths over the course of Sunday, the deadliest day so far.

The latest daily increase took the total number of confirmed deaths caused by the “novel coronavirus pneumonia” – officially named by China’s National Health Commission (NHC) on Saturday – to 910. All but two of those had occurred in mainland China.

The commission on Monday morning reported 3,062 new cases of infection as of Sunday at midnight, taking the total to date to 40,171. Of those in hospital, almost 6,500 are severe cases, according to the data.

Sars – or severe acute respiratory syndrome – killed 813 people as it swept through China and other parts of Asia in 2002-03, according to World Health Organisation (WHO) figures. Sars had a much higher fatality rate (around 10 per cent) than that of the new coronavirus, which has killed around 2 per cent of all those infected.

 

The outbreak might get “somewhat worse” before it gets better, according to Janez Lenarcic, European commissioner for crisis management.

 

WHO director general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said on Twitter on Sunday that a WHO team of international experts had left for China to help investigate the outbreak.
 

“The detection of a small number of cases may indicate more widespread transmission in other countries; in short, we may only be seeing the tip of the iceberg.”

 

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Edited February 10, 2020 by China

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re: People returning to work (above).

 

Can you imagine this same scene on the DC Metro on a Monday morning? Uh, yeah, I'm not going out in public while the health peeps are in virus garb. Fire me. 

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China's massive security state is being used to crack down on the Wuhan virus

 

Hong Kong (CNN)The camera hovers just above the elderly woman's head, as she looks up, her face becomes confused and worried.

 

"Yes auntie, this is the drone speaking to you," a voice booms out. "You shouldn't walk about without wearing a mask."

The woman hurries off, occasionally looking over her shoulder as the drone continues to shout instructions: "You'd better go back home and don't forget to wash your hands."

This is China under quarantine in 2020. In another video promoted by state media, a police drone orders men sitting at an outdoor mahjong table to "stop playing and leave the site as soon as possible."

"Don't look at the drone," it says, as a small child glances up curiously. "Ask your father to leave immediately."

As Chinese authorities struggle to contain the deadly Wuhan coronavirus, they are turning to a sophisticated authoritarian playbook honed over decades of crackdowns on dissidents and undesirables to enforce quarantines and lockdowns across the country.

 

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I feel like we’ll get better data from the Diamond Princess than everything out of China combined.  Blessing in disguise really...except for the folks on the boat, of course.

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Not sure what to make of all this info.

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Well some good news the number of deaths on 11 February declined about 10% when they had been consistently increasing by about 10-13% each day prior to that.  Yes, just one day but it bucked the trend.

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China is being secretive because they created this virus. It was a bio weapon being developed that got out into the general public.

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5 hours ago, Rdskns2000 said:

China is being secretive because they created this virus. It was a bio weapon being developed that got out into the general public.

That's kinda been my suspicion also.  At least they were developing it to be a carrier for something worse.  Something contagious before symptoms would be useful.  And we are seeing how it would be near impossible to stop.  Imagine if it had a worse fatality rate.

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On 2/10/2020 at 10:10 AM, EmirOfShmo said:

re: People returning to work (above).

 

Can you imagine this same scene on the DC Metro on a Monday morning? Uh, yeah, I'm not going out in public while the health peeps are in virus garb. Fire me. 

 

My job would snow day all of us and wed work remote.  Not everyone would be that lucky.

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5 hours ago, Rdskns2000 said:

China is being secretive because they created this virus. It was a bio weapon being developed that got out into the general public.

 

That sounds like a risk not worth taking.  Even if they were arrogant enough to think viruses care about national borders, the damage of decimating a countrys economy has a far different effect then it used to on a global scale. 

 

The threat of economic collapse from a global war may have become an underrated deterrent from another global war.  Saw someone rate of infection slowing down, but hard to prove.  What can be proved is even the world's second largest economy can be shutdown while the #1 economy can keep going mostly unaffected during a pandemic. At least in the early stages.

 

China is practically begs folks to keep doing business with them, if they did create it, this may be the largest lesson in history in why to never do that in case someone was or wasnt thinking about it.

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7 hours ago, Rdskns2000 said:

China is being secretive because they created this virus. It was a bio weapon being developed that got out into the general public.

 

I have met with multiple experts in the field who have been actively developing therapies as well as accurate and fast testing for this virus.  Nothing you said here is true.  At all.  This virus, while novel, is extremely similar to well-characterized known naturally occurring members of the corona virus family. 

 

There are plenty of real bad actors in the world, and China is a deeply problematic state, and this virus is scary enough as is, but lets not just make stuff up.  Thanks. 

Edited February 12, 2020 by bcl05

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