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carex Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 26 minutes ago, redskinss said: You're absolutely right, no one knows how Keenum will do in our offense under Gruden, and if he can replicate what he did in Minnesota I'll be thrillled. The fact remains that despite a 13 and 3 season in Minnesota they moved on from him and despite a large contract from the Broncos they moved on from him after only one year, to Joe Flacco of all people, not exactly an inspiring upgrade. the bar for Redskins quarterbacks has been set so low that Keenum is where skins fans think it should be. It isn't, Keenum is what teams that cant find a franchise quarterback settle for, and if we can't get somebody better I'll certainly take him over Sanchez or Johnson but I really hope we can find a guy we can get behind with serious hope towards our future. Right now that guy is not on our roster. the Vikings performed worse with the QB they moved onto. 6 minutes ago, HigSkin said: well that pick could actually mean negotiations are done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HigSkin Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 They've got in this article - Tyrell Williams, AP, John Sullivan (Rams C/G), Tre Boston (AZ S) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer_FFX Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Hey, gotta' face Saquon two times and the Ewok in Dallas two times each year. Collins has gotta' help the run D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I think HaHa makes a lot of sense if we run a single deep system with Collins in the box. The role suits him. But it's going to come down to money. If he costs too much then you have to let him walk. Single high safety carries even less value than box safety IMO. You should be able to find someone at the spot for cheap, or use a mid round draft pick to get a decent guy. I don't know how much money we have left, but we really need to get a starting caliber interior OL and a depth lineman who can play OT and OG. I would not trust a rookie to start at LG unless he was a first round caliber stud. We're going to need to address receiver too. Doesn't have to be a stud, but we will need a vet who can get off the line of scrimmage and run the tree like a pro and be counted on to catch his targets. Even that is not going to be cheap. There is a WR shortage in the NFL because of the expansion of WR in base personnel for pretty much every team in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HigSkin Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said: I think HaHa makes a lot of sense if we run a single deep system with Collins in the box. The role suits him. But it's going to come down to money. If he costs too much then you have to let him walk. Single high safety carries even less value than box safety IMO. You should be able to find someone at the spot for cheap, or use a mid round draft pick to get a decent guy. I don't know how much money we have left, but we really need to get a starting caliber interior OL and a depth lineman who can play OT and OG. I would not trust a rookie to start at LG unless he was a first round caliber stud. We're going to need to address receiver too. Doesn't have to be a stud, but we will need a vet who can get off the line of scrimmage and run the tree like a pro and be counted on to catch his targets. Even that is not going to be cheap. There is a WR shortage in the NFL because of the expansion of WR in base personnel for pretty much every team in the league. I don't think the money thing would be a hold up if they really want him - cuts are coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshSkinsFan Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Got to figure that we might have priced ourselves out on Ha-Ha with the deal for Collins. Last year the market for quality starters at the position was virtually non existent but this year they are making way more than predicted and that has to have turned Ha-Ha's head a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Don’t forget the Scherff extension. That will free up a nice chunk of cap in the short term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Adama Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 25 minutes ago, HigSkin said: Does that mean over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, TryTheBeal! said: A massive red flag that you might be overselling the “Giants are making savvy moves” narrative. Take heed! If Skip Bayless told me the sky was blue, I'd just have to disagree with him. Everything that man says is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Enforcer_FFX said: Hey, gotta' face Saquon two times and the Ewok in Dallas two times each year. Collins has gotta' help the run D. I think he will. My issue with him is cost, not fit or culture. I think he'll give us the ability to cover up a weak 7 technique and as such, we can go out and get a pass rush specialist at that position. Maybe Ryan Anderson fills that role pretty well, and he's certainly not a weak run defender. But I'm thinking we can get even more value by getting a true specialist who we'd otherwise pass on because of a deficiency against the run. But I also worry a little about the quality of our other guys playing in the stack. If R Foster plays for us, then that could be a major help. He's exactly the kind of alley player you want to exploit the opportunities that Collins can set the table for. But there are some injury concerns there, and we still don't know what kind of suspension he might face. I like Shaun Dion Hamilton, but there are major injury concerns there too. And he's kind of slow and more suited to a containment role than chasing and hitting. JHC is a coverage specialist and situational player. Not really in love with any of the other names on the roster. And yeah, it's true that we need someone to man the single deep spot if HaHa walks. I do want to see what Nicholson and Apke can bring to the table, but if neither of them have what it takes to start, then the position could become a pretty sizeable liability. Luckily that's a spot that's not too terribly hard to fill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Going Commando Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 13 minutes ago, HigSkin said: I don't think the money thing would be a hold up if they really want him - cuts are coming Looks like cutting those three saves almost 12 million. I would go ahead and pull the trigger on those cuts if we now we're going to have R Foster. I would feel bad about cutting M Foster after asking him to play through the kind of injuries he did, but the savings are too good and we need to upgrade him to take the next step as a defense. If those cuts get us to ~20 million in space, then maybe we can address our issues at WR and OL while retaining HaHa. But if HaHa is set to make 8+ million then I think you probably have to let him go. Does anyone have a feel of what he's going to command? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 13 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said: If Skip Bayless told me the sky was blue, I'd just have to disagree with him. Everything that man says is wrong. Skip is completely insane but at least he’s never floated the idea that Bruce Allen should’ve and could’ve traded Kirk to the Chiefs for Pat Mahomes in 2017. It takes a special kind of Wizard-fan dementia to offer that with a straight face. #whynotStrongSafety? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickyJ Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I'd kill if we could cut Jordan Reed and replace him with Jared Cook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, NickyJ said: I'd kill if we could cut Jordan Reed and replace him with Jared Cook. Cutting Reed would save us $6 million. You realize Jesse James just signed a $7m APY deal ... and some other TE I literally had never heard of also got a $7m APY deal. Cutting Reed is not a prudent move, especially with no successor. Drafting his replacement is a must over the next 1-2 drafts, but I do not think going TE in FA is a smart move at all. Chemistry is huge. Reed had a down year, yes. But if you had said "give me Jared Cook over Reed" before this season people would have called you crazy. Don't put too much stock in 2018. I think HaHa may have priced himself out by having a poor-ish 2018. I think we could probably get him upped for a 3 and $23m type of deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Having a brutal injury turnstile at QB and OL significantly depressed the numbers across the board in our WR/TE corps. I think we have solid talent and depth at WR and TE and Reed is a big part of that...cutting him would be a panic move. I expect our passing numbers to rebound nicely in 2019 as is, though I’m not opposed to adding someone if it’s financially prudent. But, y’know...I’m an optimist and I know a lot of folks aren’t really into that mindset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickyJ Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, JamesMadisonSkins said: Cutting Reed would save us $6 million. You realize Jesse James just signed a $7m APY deal ... and some other TE I literally had never heard of also got a $7m APY deal. Cutting Reed is not a prudent move, especially with no successor. Drafting his replacement is a must over the next 1-2 drafts, but I do not think going TE in FA is a smart move at all. Chemistry is huge. Reed had a down year, yes. But if you had said "give me Jared Cook over Reed" before this season people would have called you crazy. Don't put too much stock in 2018. I think HaHa may have priced himself out by having a poor-ish 2018. I think we could probably get him upped for a 3 and $23m type of deal. With no one trying to negotiate with Cook, it sounds like he wouldn't be more expensive than Jesse James is. Add in that he's healthier than Reed, I don't think it would be a bad change at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Califan007 The Constipated Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Cole BeasleyVerified account @Bease11 I’ll always love #cowboynation and I appreciate the time we have had together. Thanks to the jones family for giving me a shot. Excited for this new journey. Can’t wait to get started in Buffalo. Let’s go! #BillsMafia John Bianchi @_jmb22 John Bianchi Retweeted Cole Beasley Big mistake.. Bills cant -wont win! Cole BeasleyVerified account @Bease11 Replying to @_jmb22 Was at the cowboys for 7 years. We didn’t win either. I’ll be alright. 3 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: "The team now has $3.5 mil for FA." They mean the team now has $3.5 mil EXTRA for FA, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Taze Me Bro Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Califan007 said: "The team now has $3.5 mil for FA." They mean the team now has $3.5 mil EXTRA for FA, right? Has to, we only signed one FA right (Collins)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dballer Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, stevemcqueen1 said: Derwin James is a box safety too. He's a way bigger talent than Collins and played way better last season. It's not a pejorative, it's an accurate description of Collins's position and role. He is a safety who needs to play in the box to do his thing. The reason TTB took it as an insult is because he knows the position has low value and that we spent too much to fill it. When simple statements of truth and conventional knowledge are threatening and insulting to someone, then there is a conflict between reality and their agenda. TTB's defensive snark is just how he reacts to that conflict, and the reflexive homerism that thinly-veils his bitterness is how he has learned to cope with the futility and disappointment of rooting for DC's football and basketball teams. 1 hour ago, stevemcqueen1 said: I agree about PFF, but they do grade tangible on-field results. They're not blinded by a player's reputation, which is what's going on with the moony-eyed homers in this thread. The same posters who will be howling for the team to cut him in two years after he doesn't even come close to matching their expectations or justifying his salary. HaHa's number feels fair. He was having a very strong season before the Packers traded him here. He struggled for us, but that was probably a natural result of having to adjust to the new defense on the fly. It also didn't help any of our defensive players that the offense fell apart around that time and hung the defense out to dry. I wouldn't mind bringing HaHa back at a small number. But if it's going to cost a lot to keep him, I would let him walk and try and get a comp pick to recoup the pick we spent to get him. 2016 Collins was great. Everything clicked for that defense and he was a major part of their success against the run, plus he had a major outlier year for picks. But he hasn't come close to matching that level of play in the three other years of his career. I think his reputation is still being propped up by that season, when the truth is he is much closer to being average at his position than great. He's really good at doing a couple of things: blitzing, sitting down in the curl and reading the QB's eyes, and playing force off the hip of the 7-9 technique. He's solid at press man on TEs. And he's a liability at everything else. On the whole, that's a pretty good player if you use him right. But if a box duty safety is making elite corner money, then he better ****ing be Bob Sanders or Troy Polamalu. I don't think we're going to suddenly see Collins make that leap here. He's not that kind of athlete nor does he have those kinds of instincts. I think he was maxing out his potential in New York starting in that second season when they figured out he needs to play in the box, and that he stopped being great when the Giants deteriorated around him and they stopped being able to cover up his weaknesses. If we're not smart, and try and use him in a two deep scheme, then he's going to struggle and the contract will be terrible. I don't necessarily disagree with you on any of this. I think I just am warmer on Collins talent level than you. 2016 Collins was very similar to 2018 James, as level of play and impact goes. I believe James is not as good of a downhill tackler as Collins, but better in overall coverage. He also played with more talent that Collins has, iMO. We will see. If used correctly, he can be worth the money. if not, he wont be. I also agree about HaHa, as far as bringing him back at the right price. Hopefully a 1 year prove it deal. He actually compliments Collins perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Cutting Brown means a $3M dead cap hit. So...Not sure what to think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFi Skins Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 We just released Zach Brown as well which will clear up $5.75 million in cap space... Hopefully Mason Foster next... he's only $250k in dead cap and saves about $3m For those of you who are PFF followers, Zach Brown was listed as the #3 linebacker out of 92 qualifiers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dballer Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, Califan007 said: "The team now has $3.5 mil for FA." They mean the team now has $3.5 mil EXTRA for FA, right? Should be like, 16 mil after Brown...i think.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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