Allen/Ioannidis/Payne = D-Block

[SkinsFanRob]

All I know is Ionidus is a grown man. The way he pushed that lineman back into Rodgers gave me a tingle down south

[JSSkinz]

Payne and Allen got all the snaps last Sunday but loannidis may be our best pass rusher on the D line, could make for some difficult decisions for the coaching staff, or not.

[mojo]

Pretty much guarantees New Orleans will rush for 200 yds against us.  Can we string 2 wins together before we start patting ourselves on the back?

[Burgundy Yoda]

I think I saw somewhere that Niddis got 14 snaps on defense. Not sure if that was accurate or not, but part of me thinks his production comes from being fresh compared to the other linemen. Still impressive as hell what he's doing with minimal snaps and all 3 of them should be on the field for pass rushing situations. We need to resign him this year, right now before he hits the 7 to 8 sack mark... because he will get there if he's healthy. 

[c slag]

6 hours ago, ExoDus84 said:

 

I'd still bring him in. At this point, he'd work for Pop Tarts.

Junior G had a tough time here with getting season ending injuries back to back a shame he didn't stay healthy until last season because he might still be here and by now really playing well knowing the defensive in his fourth season 

[TK]

[98ORAKPO98]

4 hours ago, Koolblue13 said:

Not enough. Looks like he's going to swim, Beluga goes to counter and he just bullies him into Rodgers. It's awesome. 

More of a Reggie White hump move than swim.

[Tedskins 21]

Junior was used part-time as a rush specialist last year, and in that role he was really effective (PFF grade of 83.4.) And remember, that was almost exclusively against LTs.  That is the production that got him paid by the Saints. He reminds me of Marcus Washington off the edge on passing downs back 04/05.

 

We have limited burst off the edge. I think that additional dynamic he brings could make a difference in the passing game especially due to the improved pressure up the middle. 

 

 

 

[ExoDus84]

Well, through 3 games last year, Junior had more tackles than Ryan Kerrigan has through the first 3 games this year.

 

Sign him up!

[98ORAKPO98]

PFF looks like they know what they're talking about sometimes, and other times they look like straight trash. Jonathan Allen DOMINATED in that game against the Packers, screw you pff.

[Tedskins 21]

Well tbh I’ve never used PFF for arguments sake until now. I just noticed it costs money to sign up, so I agree, screw you PFF.

 

However, the eye test to me is that Junior has speed off the edge. We lack that right now. I think the real reason he isn’t back is because of that screw that’s not with him. Although, I think most would agree some crazy added to the mix can be a good thing (especially on D/ in the trenches.)

[98ORAKPO98]

5 hours ago, bowhunter said:

Didn't I read somewhere that he was actually one of the most effective edge rushers in the entire league last year? Something like pressures per play or some unique stat like that?

EDIT. a quick google search and I cannot find that stat anywhere. Either it was an inside stat or I'm just wrong. If someone has that stat, share it .....or I'll just admit to my senility.

There is this:

Galette did not get more than 30 snaps until the second half of the season, and even then, his snap total slipped below 20 for consecutive NFC East games in November. 

The statistical production wasn't particularly impressive, Galette registered just three sacks in 16 games, but Pro Football Focus graded him a +16.2 on the season, landing in the Top 15 among 3-4 outside linebackers. 

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/junior-galette-hinting-possible-return-redskins-maybe

 

Who knows the actual pressure or hurries numbers that players have, it's a subjective stat, I see different numbers thrown around from Pro Football Focos, Football Outsiders, Fox Sports stats, to what the actual teams track as pressure stats. They all say something different, it must be an eye ball test thing.

 

I can't find the original article I read a few months ago but these say basically the same thing...

 

https://amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000915923/article/eagles-redskins-seahawks-head-nfls-best-passrushing-units?networkId=4595&site=.news&zone=story&zoneUrl=url%3Dstory&zoneKeys=s1%3Dstory&env=&pageKeyValues=prtnr%3Dnext-gen-top-ten%3Bplyr%3Dchristopher_long%3Bplyr%3Dpatrick_kerrigan%3Bplyr%3Dbrandon_graham&p.ct=Next+Gen+Heroes&p.adsm=true&p.tcm=%23000&p.bgc1m=%23EAEAEA&sr=amp

 

Total pressures: 269. 

Top pass rusher: Ryan Kerrigan (51 pressures). 

Washington was one of 12 teams to clear 40 sacks on the season. The Redskins' underrated front seven offers a bevy of players who can get after the quarterback on a consistent basis, with Kerrigan leading the way. Third-year pass rusher Preston Smith is one of the more underrated young defenders in the league. He led all players with 200 or more pass-rush attempts in pressure rate, recording a pressure on 15.9 percent of his rushes. His sack totals (eight in 2017) simply don't do his play justice. Washington had three players finish inside the top 12 in pressure rate in 2017, with impending free agent Junior Galette joining Kerrigan and Smith. The team also has another young potential star on its hands in 2017 first-round pick Jonathan Allen. The rookie went down early with a Lisfranc injury, but he looked like the next great interior disruptor, with 16 pressures in just five games.

 

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/defense-and-pass-pressure-2017

 

Washington may come as a surprise as the defense with the highest pressure rate (38.3 percent) last season. The Redskins were only No. 12 in pressure rate in 2016, but none of the top four teams here ranked higher than 12th in 2016. Washington has used a lot of high draft picks on edge rushers over the years, but old reliable Ryan Kerrigan led the way with 35 hurries and 13 sacks. Preston Smith chipped in 29 hurries, and Junior Galette (24 hurries) finally returned to action after tearing his Achilles two years in a row. Washington has not brought Galette back, but looks to get more than five games out of Jonathan Allen, a first-round rookie who was injured. What Washington really missed last season was better play in the secondary. Although cornerback Josh Norman was not thrown at very frequently, he was disappointing when he was targeted, ranking just 60th in adjusted success rate and 76th in adjusted yards per pass allowed, according to Sports Info Solutions charting.

 

 

 

[COWBOY-KILLA-]

 Cool thing is all these guys are far from finished products. Anyone who still questions the value of Payne needs glasses. The guy is a bull and wrecks havoc. He Demolished Rodgers on that play, shocked he didn’t get flagged. The most gifted athletically of the 3 imo. Allen plays like a wise vet, polished w/ supreme technique. 

Ioaniddis is pure power and i bet could take down a few beers. Love the group. Nicknames are overrated, just keep balling..

[98ORAKPO98]

From the comments section...

 

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/defense-and-pass-pressure-2017

 

by Bryan Knowles // Jul 04, 2018 - 3:25am

A pressure is a passing play where the quarterback is hurried or hit by the pass rush. If the quarterback is forced to throw the ball early because a defender is racing towards him, or ends up scrambling forward as the pocket collapses, or gets knocked to the turf, or panics and throws the ball straight up in the air (the "Peterman Special") it counts as a pressure.

There isn't a strict mathematical definition or something; there's not a precise distance or time requirement for a defender to cause a pressure. It's a charting stat -- if the play was disrupted by a pass rusher, it's a pressure.

There is an art determining just what qualifies as a pressure, so if you want to be pedantic about it, this is technically tackling "plays which were marked as a pass pressure by one of our two game charting companies, Sports Info Solutions and ESPN Stats & Info, with disagreements being determined by us on a case-by-case basis." In general, though, it basically means what you think it means.

[ddub52]

2 hours ago, c slag said:

Junior G had a tough time here with getting season ending injuries back to back a shame he didn't stay healthy until last season because he might still be here and by now really playing well knowing the defensive in his fourth season 

It’s only Manusky’s second year as coordinator. Though I guess he was linebackers coach before

[Burgundy Yoda]

To me it seems like Kerrigan and Smith should each have 2 sacks a piece at least but we're getting there very quick up the middle. QB's can handle pressure from the edges, but when it comes right up the middle it's a nightmare for them. We should be okay with this. 

[Commander -JB-]

8 hours ago, mojo said:

Pretty much guarantees New Orleans will rush for 200 yds against us.  Can we string 2 wins together before we start patting ourselves on the back?

I’m not really patting myself on the back!  Just a firm believer in this defense.  It doesn’t seem like any defense can shut down the Saints, just gonna have to be able to score against their terrible terrible defense!

[Going Commando]

7 hours ago, 98ORAKPO98 said:

More of a Reggie White hump move than swim.

 

Yeah it looks kind of like a hump except he doesn't really swing the arm.  I think he was going for a long arm rush but Bulaga got to deep on the edge and Ioannis's inside arm ends up hitting him on the shoulder instead of the chest.  But because Bulaga dropped so deep, Ioannidis was able to counter back inside with the bull rush and put him on skates.

[ixcuincle]

Old Redskins used to have nicknames like The Hogs but they were well earned and deserved. Them new kids now dropping nicknames and who knows if they deserved. Swearinger and his Flight Marshals and now D-block. If it works out fine I'm all for it. But as some of you said here before you have every right to be skeptical until they do something 

[zoony]

Preston Smith not doing himself any favors in a contract year

[skinny21]

54 minutes ago, zoony said:

Preston Smith not doing himself any favors in a contract year

Ironically, I’m getting more comfortable with re-signing him as his price may dip a bit.  I’d still add Galette though, especially for a very modest 2 year deal - insurance for our current guys, adds a speed rush, and takes off the pressure (potentially) to go for an OLB early in the draft.  

[mojo]

3 hours ago, -JB- said:

I’m not really patting myself on the back!  Just a firm believer in this defense.  It doesn’t seem like any defense can shut down the Saints, just gonna have to be able to score against their terrible terrible defense!

My bad.  I was under the impression that was something Jonathan Allen had posted on social media.

[Going Commando]

1 hour ago, skinny21 said:

Ironically, I’m getting more comfortable with re-signing him as his price may dip a bit.  I’d still add Galette though, especially for a very modest 2 year deal - insurance for our current guys, adds a speed rush, and takes off the pressure (potentially) to go for an OLB early in the draft.   

 

Yeah actually I like Smith and hope he can be kept at a reasonable price since he's not an elite edge rusher.  I like his versatility at the position, particularly on first and second down.  He's a well-rounded player.  But it would be nice to find a better third down rusher in addition to him.  Smith should be playing on the DL on third downs anyway.

[Commander Wolffe]

I like the idea of rotating Preston on the inside in pass rushing situations with Allen-payne-ion. Would love to add a speed rusher in the draft to compliment our entire group. Should have atleast one on the team.

[Bishop Hammer]

As of right now they are the second ranked defense in the leauge and eighth against the rush.  If they can keep that pace up the line can call themselves the Pretty Little Liars, for all I would care.