PleaseBlitz Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, Larry said: You're right. Two wrongs make a right. But, let's get this thread back on topic. You want to know how to get me to NOT vote straight Dem in 2020? Announce plans to pack the court. The idea is that bad. Yea, everyone thinks their vote is vitally important. In any event, if this issue causes you to vote for Donald Trump to get another term as President of the United States, you go ahead and do you. Personally, I think it's an extremely smart campaign issue for Dems to run on (which is why so many of them are open to it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Not to mention make sure the Right is plenty motivated. And here I thought it was only getting rid of the EC that would stop me from voting Dem. 3 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: Yea, everyone thinks their vote is vitally important. In any event, if this issue causes you to vote for Donald Trump to get another term as President of the United States, you go ahead and do you. Personally, I think it's an extremely smart campaign issue for Dems to run on (which is why so many of them are open to it). And the Left can just keep thinking certain voting blocks aren't that important and overall, the country will make the smarter choice. Remind me again how that worked out in 2106. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said: And the Left can just keep thinking certain voting blocks aren't that important and overall, the country will make the smarter choice. Remind me again how that worked out in 2106. I'm pretty sure I made the same remark to you at some point this week. You keep making noises like you are a gettable vote for Dems, but every week you are like "oh THIS issue makes me not want to vote for a Democrat! ... oh THIS issue makes me not want to vote for a Democrat!" So it would be foolish for any Democrat to focus efforts on people like you who, at the end of the day, simply aren't going to vote Democrat. Better to focus efforts on convincing people to turn out who are natural Democrat voters who stayed home last time because they were fine but not excited by Hillary and figured she'd win anyways. Like seriously, you are saying you are fine with the destruction of the post WWII global network of alliances and trade pacts, kids in cages, deference to Putin over our entire intelligence apparatus and a $1.5 trillion wealth transfer to the richest people in America, but OH MY, you better not talk about changes to the electoral college! Give me ****ing break man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 1 hour ago, TheGreatBuzz said: So doesn't that show there is an issue with the people on the court, not the number of them on the court? I hate sink to their level games. My concern is that expanding the court because you don't like its current make up (or how it got that way) just sets a precedent for the GOP to do it when they get back in power. Or hell, to try to do it before the new POTUS takes office. Dems would look like hypocrites if they didn't support it while supporting candidates who are running on it. At least one person on the Court is compromised, and has obtained a LIFETIME APPOINTMENT. There's little chance of that changing. And this topic should be viewed as "on the down low". No talkie. Set to condition Zebra. Smoking lamp is out. Taps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, skinsmarydu said: At least one person on the Court is compromised, and has obtained a LIFETIME APPOINTMENT. There's little chance of that changing. Is it Roberts?....that is what the rightwing nutjobs say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 If the White working class think an elitist NY conman is looking out for them based on incoherent campaign speeches, then there is little any Democrat can do to sway them. The pathway for victory for the Dems in 2020 is energize their base to increase the turnout and sway the folks who voted for Trump because they were fooled into thinking he was some kind of "outsider" that was going to "shake things up." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Just now, twa said: Is it Roberts?....that is what the rightwing nutjobs say. Absolutely not. He's surprised me. (But shaking his head during Barack's SOTU wasn't a good look.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PleaseBlitz Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Just now, NoCalMike said: If the White working class think an elitist NY conman is looking out for them based on incoherent campaign speeches, then there is little any Democrat can do to sway them. The pathway for victory for the Dems in 2020 is energize their base to increase the turnout and sway the folks who voted for Trump because they were fooled into thinking he was some kind of "outsider" that was going to "shake things up." Exactly. Gin up the base (which is larger than the Republican base) and capture the significant portion of Americans, who may or may not have voted in the past, who maybe thought Trump would be fine and "grow into the job" and now realize after 3 years that he's a totally incompetent, corrupt, hateful monster with no business being in the Oval. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 48 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said: I happen to agree with your opinion. But it's just that, an opinion. Go ahead and expand it. Just don't cry when the GOP does the exact same thing when they are in power. We can pingpong back and forth until there are 51 justices and they are as dysfunctional as congress. I am not stating it as a fact either. It's also just my opinion. But I think anyone running for office who is serious about reforming our government should be floating this out there and making the case to people. Conservative, liberal, nationalist, racist, socialist, every voting demographic is getting railroaded because the Robert's court gave the wealthy in this country unchecked power to influence elections and politicians. Almost everything currently wrong in Washington can be traced back to the decimation of campaign finance laws and the limitless power of corporate interests and the wealthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 1 minute ago, NoCalMike said: If the White working class think an elitist NY conman is looking out for them based on incoherent campaign speeches, then there is little any Democrat can do to sway them. The pathway for victory for the Dems in 2020 is energize their base to increase the turnout and sway the folks who voted for Trump because they were fooled into thinking he was some kind of "outsider" that was going to "shake things up." I commented about David Pakman, he says the Dems are gonna have to go " '08 times a hundred ". I wanted to go 3rd party in '08, and my husband screamed at me for an hour...."WE HAVE TO MAKE THIS OVERWHELMING!"...because of the scariest thing ever, a potential President Palin. So here we are again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 39 minutes ago, Larry said: You're right. Two wrongs make a right. Except the "wrong" in this case is a sustained attack on the democratic process. Sitting by and doing nothing, especially that which would be within the power of the co-equal branches of government, is an incredible failure of moral and ethical cowardice. You do you with your chicken little brand of politics. It's worked out great for liberals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wiggles Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 So according to the Daily Beast white men should no longer run for any office? Seems a lil racist n the sexist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, No Excuses said: Conservative, liberal, nationalist, racist, socialist, every voting demographic is getting railroaded because the Robert's court gave the wealthy in this country unchecked power to influence elections and politicians. Almost everything currently wrong in Washington can be traced back to the decimation of campaign finance regulations. Trump 2020: I don't discriminate........in who I rip off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 22 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: You keep making noises like you are a gettable vote for Dems, but every week you are like "oh THIS issue makes me not want to vote for a Democrat! ... oh THIS issue makes me not want to vote for a Democrat!" Every week, eh? Well you got 2 here, EC and adding number of justices. Go find 3 others. Shouldn't be hard since apparently I say something every week. I even said I'd be fine with tweaking the EC, just not getting rid of it. And I've said before I'd support making it a law that appointments had to get a vote within a certain timeframe or they are automatically approved. But no I'm not going to support twisting the system because the Left didn't like the outcome (an outcome I don't like either btw). The Left can roll the dice on what voters to target, what they think will motivate their base more than the Rights, etc. Go ahead and roll the dice. Just don't cry if it comes up snake eyes again. 26 minutes ago, skinsmarydu said: At least one person on the Court is compromised, and has obtained a LIFETIME APPOINTMENT. There's little chance of that changing. And this topic should be viewed as "on the down low". No talkie. Set to condition Zebra. Smoking lamp is out. Taps. Then impeach him (or her). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 12 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said: Every week, eh? Well you got 2 here, EC and adding number of justices. Go find 3 others. Shouldn't be hard since apparently I say something every week. How do you feel about term limits for the Supreme Court? Adding more States to the Union? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, Cooked Crack said: How do you feel about term limits for the Supreme Court? Adding more States to the Union? Yes. No. Though I'd open to hearing discussion for each one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said: No. If a Dem said they're running on making DC a state would that lose your vote then? What about Puerto Rico? Virgin Islands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Make it stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wiggles Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 What's Yangs opinion on foreskin reconstruction surgery tho? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 11 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said: Make it stop. You're a buzz-killer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Welp, nice knowing ya Andrew Yang, I admired your take on UBI, maybe someone else will take up the case in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PleaseBlitz Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 55 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said: Every week, eh? Well you got 2 here, EC and adding number of justices. Go find 3 others. Shouldn't be hard since apparently I say something every week. 1. https://es.redskins.com/topic/393762-the-gun-control-debate-thread-say-hello-to-my-little-thread/?do=findComment&comment=11436879 Quote I think I am more pro gun control than most "conservatives" and this 10 round limit automatically loses my vote. 2. https://es.redskins.com/topic/415400-election-2020-the-presidental-race/?do=findComment&comment=11449227 Quote I will say if I am going to vote for a Dem, I want someone with major experience. 3. https://es.redskins.com/topic/415400-election-2020-the-presidental-race/?do=findComment&comment=11444815 Quote Advocating for healthcare for all without a plan to address the cost of care is a negative to me. But like, you're fine with a $1.5 trillion tax cut for the richest people in the world paid for by fantasy economic growth that literally every economist said would not happen, and did not happen. Quote I even said I'd be fine with tweaking the EC, just not getting rid of it. And I've said before I'd support making it a law that appointments had to get a vote within a certain timeframe or they are automatically approved. But no I'm not going to support twisting the system because the Left didn't like the outcome (an outcome I don't like either btw). The Left can roll the dice on what voters to target, what they think will motivate their base more than the Rights, etc. Go ahead and roll the dice. Just don't cry if it comes up snake eyes again. It's not rolling the dice, it's just not targeting you. Any response to the rest of my long post? Here it is again: Quote Like seriously, you are saying you are fine with the destruction of the post WWII global network of alliances and trade pacts, kids in cages, deference to Putin over our entire intelligence apparatus and a $1.5 trillion wealth transfer to the richest people in America, but OH MY, you better not talk about changes to the electoral college! Give me ****ing break man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 I remembering getting laughed out when I said anyone who is an independent after Trump was full of dog poop. I’m glad some of you are coming around to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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