The Brexit Thread

[FanboyOf91]

They practically clotheslined each other.

 

 

[DCSaints_fan]

I know I've brought up this in this thread before, but how is the UK supposed to leave the EU, and also not have a border between NI and ROI, or some type of internal border between NI and the rest of the UK? 

 

Kicking the can down the road is not a solution. 

 

If they don't have a border, Brexit becomes nearly worthless, as an easy way to circumvent it would be to ship goods to Ireland, they move them to NI, at which point they could move to the rest of the UK.   The same goes for people, granted they would be immigrating illegally and therefore couldn't legally work/reside in the UK. 

 

If they can't figure that out,  the most sensible thing to do is to cancel Brexit.  

 

Honestly I think they should call for another referendum, due to this one issue.   Its the elephant in the room that makes everything else really irrelevant. 

[FanboyOf91]

 

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Walk into Number 10 Downing Street, take the first left and straight ahead of you is the prime minister’s press office, an open-plan room of civil servants sitting in rows outside the grand corner office of Theresa May’s director of communications, Robbie Gibb.

A flat screen television sits on one of the walls, scrolling through what is being read online — the most popular conversations and shared articles, search words and trending topics.

 

Not far away are two or three officials charged with tackling what No. 10 sees as a rising risk, to the government politically and to the country as a whole: the rapid rise of new populist news sites pushing conspiratorial, anti-establishment content outside the channels of traditional media.

Led by No. 10 Downing Street’s Head of Digital Communications Chris Hamilton, the British government’s five-strong “rapid response unit” spread across No. 10 and the Cabinet Office is tasked with monitoring and firefighting stories set alight on social media, often beyond the radar of many of London’s politicians and journalists.

 

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According to one U.K. government official involved in the briefings, the sites include publishers of viral content like LadBible and Joe.co.uk, as well as political sites like the Canary on the left and Westmonster on the right.

Increasingly, they also include a new breed of hyper-partisan news sites associated with the populist right. Some, like PoliticalUK.co.uk and Politicalite.com, have seemingly surged from nowhere in recent months to occupy a dominant position in online conversations.

The populist right-wing media is “huge” in the U.K., said Paul Quigley, CEO of NewsWhip, a U.S.-based social media monitoring company, which carried out extensive research for POLITICO.

Utterly depressing.

[FanboyOf91]

#ReadyForBrexit

 

 

[visionary]

 

[TheGreatBuzz]

Anyone able to recommend an unbiased, hour long-ish, video explaining Brexit from cradle to grave that us yanks could understand?  Trying to find something to share with wife.

[No Excuses]

15 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

Anyone able to recommend an unbiased, hour long-ish, video explaining Brexit from cradle to grave that us yanks could understand?  Trying to find something to share with wife.

 

Such a thing doesn’t exist because the issue is relatively new and still playing out. 

 

It isnt unbiased but the best digestible explainer comes from John Oliver’s show: 

 

It’s not unbiased, but revisiting it, Oliver covered it well two years ago and Brexit is pretty much the disaster it was predicted by sensisble people to be so his argument holds well. 

 

And in terms of understanding the current realities of it, Tony Blair did a live video podcast with The Economist about redoing Brexit through another referendum. This gets into the current realities of what is unfolding and what the next logical steps should be: 

 

 

Unfortunately what you request doesn’t exist yet because the story of Brexit is still unfolding .

[Corcaigh]

Not a video, but this article is great overview and is well illustrated.

 

https://blog.usejournal.com/brexit-a-detailed-summary-of-what-the-hell-is-going-on-for-my-american-friends-61c92b04d9f7

 

 

[FanboyOf91]

The PM's deal expected to get blown the **** out.

[TheGreatBuzz]

With all the crap going on here, I forgot about this.  So looking like a no deal Brexit?

[DCSaints_fan]

12 hours ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

With all the crap going on here, I forgot about this.  So looking like a no deal Brexit?

 

I bet May convinces the EU to kick the can down the road for another year or so.   Not thats going to solve anything

[FanboyOf91]

21 hours ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

With all the crap going on here, I forgot about this.  So looking like a no deal Brexit?

It's the default option if British political dysfunction continues.

 

[techboy]

10 hours ago, DCSaints_fan said:

 

I bet May convinces the EU to kick the can down the road for another year or so.   Not thats going to solve anything

 

My understanding is that this is unlikely to happen because the EU is having elections this Spring/Summer and they don't want Britain lobbying or trying to deal with a new Parliament.

 

The expert I heard talking about it said that the options now range wildly from a totally hard Brexit, to May getting a second shot at her deal, to a small extension (which seems largely pointless), to a second referendum and possible reversal. The EU court has already ruled that Britain can call takebacks and stay in by cancelling Article 50.

[Jumbo]

the loss she just had with the vote may be by the biggest margin in all their history--most savvy takes said she might "even" lose by 100 votes and it was double that...

 

heady times

[No Excuses]

There will be a second referendum that overturns the first one. A developed nation taking a sledge hammer and shattering its own economy for generations is too profoundly dumb to happen even in our very-dumb times. 

[PleaseBlitz]

11 minutes ago, No Excuses said:

There will be a second referendum that overturns the first one. A developed nation taking a sledge hammer and shattering its own economy for generations is too profoundly dumb to happen even in our very-dumb times. 

 

Particularly given that the original referendum was based on a choice between the status quo and something that was not actually possible.  

[FanboyOf91]

Yes, May's deal is still being left out there.

[FanboyOf91]

 

[FanboyOf91]

 

[DogofWar1]

Just do a 2nd ****ing referendum.  Jeebus.

 

EU isn't gonna give UK something that could pass Parliament, and a no deal Brexit is a terrible terrible idea, that, at a minimum, should be put to a vote.

 

That's probably May's only way to a moderately positive history book portrayal.  2nd referendum.  If Remain wins, apologize for the tantrum and get back into the EU.  If Leave wins, no deal Brexit and the people have no one to blame but themselves.

 

As of right now the entire government looks dumb, with them all wanting things they can't have and barreling towards something that people don't want (no deal Brexit) while not making it clear that the Unicorn and Rainbows version of Brexit was a lie and that they really really need to be sure they want this, and the best way to determine that is through a vote.

[TheGreatBuzz]

2 hours ago, DogofWar1 said:

 

As of right now the entire government looks dumb, with them all wanting things they can't have and barreling towards something that people don't want (no deal Brexit) while not making it clear that the Unicorn and Rainbows version of Brexit was a lie and that they really really need to be sure they want this, and the best way to determine that is through a vote.

Hmmmm........sounds familiar.

[visionary]

 

[Riggo-toni]

[visionary]

 

[FanboyOf91]

Hoo boy.