TD_washingtonredskins Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I'd think the County would have caveats demanding changes and improvements in whatever agreement came to pass... or at least I'd hope. As bad as rush hour is, imagine 75-80k from the surrounding areas flooding 28 and 7, not to mention prime-time weeknight games. Nick Yeah, you're never going to have smooth sailing when it comes to NFL traffic. I just don't believe it would be horribly worse than FedEx. Also, primetime weeknight games are disasters no matter where you are - so those would suck. But they also happen 1-2 time per year AT MOST. I'm not against upgrades in the surrounding areas, I just believe none of these locations would be all that awful. Every spot, with this much notice and planning, can be brought up to a point where it can support an event 8-10 times per calendar year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAILstorm Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 The National Harbor site is the likely location IF Maryland wins the location contest. The old Oxen Hill Farm has plenty of space for a new stadium complex. The local beat reporters seem infatuated with the site as the most likely location. But it has its share of problems, including bad traffic access and no Metro. Both could be improved with significant public funds to route a Metro there and to expand highway access. But access roads from both 495 and 295 will fix the car issue. But there will still be major traffic getting out of that location. Loudoun County beyond Dulles Airport is also the other likely location. A couple of large parcels are near the team's current facility and all the players and coaches live in VA. The long trek to PG County has always been a pain. And clearly more governmental support from VA than MD. And finally, a lot more $$$$ lives in Fairfax and Loudoun counties to support a large sports complex like Patriots Place and the Kroenke World in LA. But traffic will be an issue there also. A metro line is already scheduled to be built that way on the Silver line. Just a matter of money and location of the transit stop. I think DC is dead in the water. The DC politicians won't even say "Redskins" and the only suitable land is owned by the Federal Government which will just make the name issue more visible not less. Not sure why fans think DC is the best location. Traffic access is very poor and the current Metro stop nearby is a plus but nothing that cannot be built at either of the other two locations. Parking and tailgating will be virtually none existent let alone no place for Snyder to build complimentary businesses to support the cost of the new palace. The neighborhoods surrounding RFK have already been vocal they do not want an NFL stadium bordering their properties. Won't matter to me anyway I suppose because a new stadium wherever it is built will force me to give up my season tickets. No stinkin' PSL for this Redskins fan....one of the last great things JKC did for Redskins fans. Thanks Jack! wherever you are....... I agree about political support, the team and its name are pretty safe if they build in Virginia. The one guy who is beating the drum for the Redskins to remain in MD is Governor Larry Hogan but it's no guarantee that his predecessor will feel the same once he leaves office, and the DC suburbs in MD is against the name. If I'm not mistaken wasn't it Montgomery County that proposed banning kids from wearing Redskins gear to school? I believe the infrastructure issues near National Harbor can be improved, that would be the best site IMO, even if you consider DC separate from the name issue. I know the Horseshoe Casino in Baltimore rakes in a lot of dough from Ravens fans before games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Gonna wait to see how this plays out. A lot of people say a lot of things, but I'm curious to see how that tune will change if we start winning. Might be too tough for DC government to turn down that $$$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnyandSam Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 You're right that DC is dead in the water. It continues to baffle me how they can even try to persuade the team to return when the Mayor won't even say the word "Redskins," then comes off as a petulant child because Dan Snyder won't return her calls. Traffic in Eastern Loudoun, which is already a disaster, would be a tragedy if the 'Skins moved anywhere in the area and would require huge infrastructure improvements along 7 and even 28. Nick Traffic in Eastern Loudoun sucks at rush hours, but how much additional or improved infrastructure are you looking for to accommodate 8 Sunday afternoons per year? I mean, if it becomes a destination with other attractions, then infrastructure updates would come naturally, right? You guys are ignoring the Dulles Access Road and Greenway as well as a likely Metro station next door to the Stadium. While commuters avoid those two roads because of the the daily toll, lots of people would likely pay the toll for faster access to the stadium which will likely border the Greenway. Also, traffic on 7, 28, and the Loudoun County Parkway for Sunday football games are not going to be as bad as the Monday thru Friday commute or even on the Saturday shopping day. Arrivals for a Monday or Thursday night game would be bad....but no worse than the beltway now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 From article in the Post today (quote from the architect designing the new stadium): It will be fascinating to see what happens. In his email, Ingels gave a few clues about what he hoped to bring, architecturally, to the reform of the game. “Does the typical NFL stadium have room for improvement?” wrote Ingels. “Yes most certainly. Is it waste of resources to have giant facilities that are only active 10 times a year. Obviously. Therefore we have worked with our team to imagine a facility that can be active both inside and outside all year and all week — not just on a game day. Also we have sought to distill the stadium experience — before, during and after the game — to its essential ingredients — to provide the greatest intimacy for the players and fans, and in doing so to create a more compact and efficient stadium as opposed to the colossal facilities of the past.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/museums/why-is-this-architecture-firm-dealing-with-the-nfl-and-dan-snyder/2016/01/21/2bbd026e-b8ac-11e5-829c-26ffb874a18d_story.html?hpid=hp_regional-hp-cards_no-name%3Ahomepage%2Fcard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomwvr Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 solar power is a huge waste of space, it's basically the energy equivalent to medical quackery. I'm all for sustainable energy... wind is interesting fo example, but I'd buy into the idea of a nuclear powered stadium before solar power. I have solar on my house - very happy with NO electric bill most months and it will pay for itself in less then 10 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAILstorm Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Gonna wait to see how this plays out. A lot of people say a lot of things, but I'm curious to see how that tune will change if we start winning. Might be too tough for DC government to turn down that $$$. I would watch out for D.C though. I remember in an article that D.C Councilman Jack Evans insinuated that he wanted to lure the team first, THEN ramp up the pressure to change their name. I think Snyder should get a non-aggression pact with the city government to keep the name as is during their entire tenure in the stadium. But I think Bowser is getting desperate. She realizes the team doesn't really need D.C when Maryland and Virginia will bend over backwards to get the Redskins a new stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomwvr Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 I will say that I appreciate the design concept of a transparent roof for the Inglewood stadium. Artist rendition may not be fully realized if structural limitations arise. Particularly any safety concerns surrounding huge panes of glass suspended overhead, particularly in earthquake prone California. I can imagine the glass falling into the stadium with a major earthquake... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAILstorm Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 I can imagine the glass falling into the stadium with a major earthquake... Why the glass roof? I know they want to host indoor events such as Final Fours, Academy Awards, etc., but they could've done a retractable roof Houston/Arizona style for that. It'll be an eyesore for the Superbowl in my opinion, the stadium looks like a large airplane hangar ala Indianapolis, Dallas, Arizona, etc. especially in comparison to the Rose Bowl. The Rose Bowl was pure Hollywood; the mountains, palm trees, all in the background. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Why the glass roof? I know they want to host indoor events such as Final Fours, Academy Awards, etc., but they could've done a retractable roof Houston/Arizona style for that. It'll be an eyesore for the Superbowl in my opinion, the stadium looks like a large airplane hangar ala Indianapolis, Dallas, Arizona, etc. especially in comparison to the Rose Bowl. The Rose Bowl was pure Hollywood; the mountains, palm trees, all in the background. THe Super Bowl is played at night so the glass ceiling shouldn't have an impact at all. Arizona, Indianapolis and Dallas have all hosted Super Bowls in these hangar style stadiums without a hitch so that is probably the goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 “Does the typical NFL stadium have room for improvement?” wrote Ingels. “Yes most certainly. Is it waste of resources to have giant facilities that are only active 10 times a year. Obviously. Therefore we have worked with our team to imagine a facility that can be active both inside and outside all year and all week — not just on a game day. Also we have sought to distill the stadium experience — before, during and after the game — to its essential ingredients — to provide the greatest intimacy for the players and fans, and in doing so to create a more compact and efficient stadium as opposed to the colossal facilities of the past.” That is really exciting to read and I think we are in for something new and fun when this unveiling happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jflow78 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 From a interview concerning the new stadium, Dan said he had asked for exactly this, and told it could be done. So, you'll get your wish....as will hundreds of thousands of old skool fans like me that would love to see it as well. That's awesome! As for the new LA Stadium, maybe it's just me, but I think it's pretty hideous on the outside. The inside (from the field) looks awesome though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemocystem Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 That's awesome! As for the new LA Stadium, maybe it's just me, but I think it's pretty hideous on the outside. The inside (from the field) looks awesome though. Some of the renderings don't do the stadium ideology justice. The intent is for the side angle to look like a crested wave. The glass will undoubtedly have fail-safes in place in case of an earthquake. It will also have superior UV coating, & i believe they plan on using advances on self-sustainable energy technology. One such example is that because of the FAA regulations due to its relative proximity to LAX, it will be built mostly into the ground. This will also double as a good insulator, & keep energy costs lower as a result. I think it's a marvelous work...but i need to see it in reality before i can give it the thumbs up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnyandSam Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 I have solar on my house - very happy with NO electric bill most months and it will pay for itself in less then 10 years You just paid your electric bill up front with the installation costs. It is not free. And check back in 10 years when you have to replace your panels or other stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearfeather Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Here's what the Dolphins Stadium looked like this year: Here's what it will look like by next season: But I don't think the Redskins stadium will look anything like that. Snyder said we were " going retro ", without really going into details. No way to know exactly what he meant But, I think the stadium will look more like RFK on the outside, 65,000 - 75,000, with all the latest amenities, food courts, restaurants and numerous widescreens lining the heated concourses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Snyder said we were " going retro ", without really going into details. No way to know exactly what he meant But, I think the stadium will look more like RFK on the outside, 65,000 - 75,000, with all the latest amenities, food courts, restaurants and numerous widescreens lining the heated concourses. Only part of RFK that should be incorporated are roofs that better hold in noise. Longtime fans have RFK nostalgia, but that place is seriously ugly on the outside. FedEx also has that soulless exterior feeling as well. The seating bowl used to look decent when the place opened, but that whole checkerboard effect of red seats/yellow seats in the club level just looks pathetic. As do the orange, blue, and green FedEx tarps hanging from the top. Just a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFKFedEx Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Snyder said we were " going retro ", without really going into details. No way to know exactly what he meant I'm not sure he knows either. The NFL has only a half century with it's own football stadiums, thus "retro" to me would mean the art decco exterior of the Rose Bowl or the LA Coliseum, or perhaps the brick arches of old Michigan or Notre Dame Stadiums. It would be interesting if somebody revives the mid century, post modern exteriors of stadiums like RFK and Shea Stadium of the 60s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearfeather Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Only part of RFK that should be incorporated are roofs that better hold in noise. Longtime fans have RFK nostalgia, but that place is seriously ugly on the outside. FedEx also has that soulless exterior feeling as well. The seating bowl used to look decent when the place opened, but that whole checkerboard effect of red seats/yellow seats in the club level just looks pathetic. As do the orange, blue, and green FedEx tarps hanging from the top. Just a mess. Yeah I don't disagree with much of that, and the FedEx color scheme has always been a little rough on the eyes. But my RFK reference was more about a roof over the upper level and a more circular design. But the " retro " comment was interesting, and I don't think he was talking about the latest amenities with that, and I also don't think he was referring to something like this with all the latest bells and whistles tucked inside. Griffith Stadium Redskins 1937 - 1960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Spear, I was going to post a pic of Griffith too. If we're gonna go retro, why not go WAY back? Teepee and all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomwvr Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 You just paid your electric bill up front with the installation costs. It is not free. And check back in 10 years when you have to replace your panels or other stuff. I have 20 years free replacement on anything that breaks with the plan I am in. And yes I paid it upfront, but after 10 years it will become even, and then after that I make money on the deal. Sorry but Solar works well, I sell the excess I dont use. Just waiting for an inexpensive battery system (under 5K) that will allow me to store the energy and use it at night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichmondRedskin88 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 updated Miami stadium looks like a soccer stadium. Kind of like Arsenal's Emirates stadium actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 That is really exciting to read and I think we are in for something new and fun when this unveiling happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins199021 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 There is no reason for us to have to wow anyone, unless Dan still feels insecure about something. I think 75 to 85 K stadium is a good start. I am more interested in them enhancing the amenities and the experience inside and out. I really wonder where they will put it. Maryland will do a lot to keep it in the state. The best location for that is on the NW side of DC, but there is way too much money there along the beltway for anything to get done there. I really wonder if they put it in the Tyson's corner area. Place is really developed, but still a lot of space, and the metro goes through there now as well. Despite all the traffic, may be the best location for the people of VA, MD, and DC to get to. In a perfect world you would have some kind of stadium lanes much to the like of the dulles airport lanes.... but that is more a dream for us that hate traffic, but again metro would solve a lot of that, and many from VA won't even have to use the beltway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 So are we getting design pics this month or not? I guess the report that first broke this was kind of sketchy so I'm not counting on it. Definitely would love to see it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rise of DC Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Jaguars have the Redskins building a new stadium within the next 5 years apparently. Weird since they're stuck at FedEx for a while. https://twitter.com/APMarkLong/status/693106833943326720 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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