Llevron Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 22 hours ago, visionary said: So whats the point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Are they upgrading screening as requested?....that was the point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 15 minutes ago, twa said: Are they upgrading screening as requested?....that was the point. That's exactly what happened, actually. Good point (lol) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanboyOf91 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 oh well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weganator Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 (edited) 42 minutes ago, FanboyOf91 said: oh well Is there a compelling reason why these crops can't be picked by able bodied welfare recipients? Has to be some way to take the money we throw into farm subsidies and welfare to prevent this kind of crop waste. Maybe you could help them get bank accounts if needed. Use some money saved to give the workers additional money on top of their benefits and waive limited asset requirements for welfare while doing this. Allow them to accumulate some money to help them have emergency savings, build some initial wealth, and see a path out of permanent poverty. Edited July 5, 2017 by Weganator 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 (edited) Obviously Obama's fault since it was last year on the crops Edited July 5, 2017 by twa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 26 minutes ago, twa said: Obviously Obama's fault since it was last year on the crops Just to be clear, you're saying Obama was too tough on illegal immigration? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 26 minutes ago, twa said: Obviously Obama's fault since it was last year on the crops And the four previous we've got some people that need jobs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, tshile said: And the four previous we've got some people that need jobs Need and want to work are two different things I need to get to work, yet here I sit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Just now, twa said: Need and want to work are two different things I need to get to work, yet here I sit. "need" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacase Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Weganator said: Is there a compelling reason why these crops can't be picked by able bodied welfare recipients? Has to be some way to take the money we throw into farm subsidies and welfare to prevent this kind of crop waste. Maybe you could help them get bank accounts if needed. Use some money saved to give the workers additional money on top of their benefits and waive limited asset requirements for welfare while doing this. Allow them to accumulate some money to help them have emergency savings, build some initial wealth, and see a path out of permanent poverty. Just pay a higher wage. Supporting illegal immigration because "they do jobs Americans won't do" is modern day slavery. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, sacase said: Just pay a higher wage. Supporting illegal immigration because "they do jobs Americans won't do" is modern day slavery. This is not true at all unless you think $15 an hour is modern day slavery. http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/business/article159412859.html Quote International workers are the backbone of the Seaside Farm Market in the remote northern Outer Banks town of Corolla. Only 500 people live there, but up to 50,000 visit every week in the summer. But for the first time in 23 years, the family-owned produce and seafood market didn’t open this summer. Owners Bill and Julie Grandy weren’t able to get the H-2B visas they needed to bring in the workers from Mexico they’ve employed for years. They didn’t get a single local applicant for jobs advertised at $15 per hour, Bill Grandy said, calling Corolla a “black hole” for local labor. The husband and wife have both had to take other jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weganator Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 (edited) A person's labor is worth what they are worth on the open market, I'm not certain how wages would change in the fieldhand industry if there was no illegal labor in the US. My point was the people who look at all of the negatives of illegal immigration and come back with "they do jobs Americans won't do" haven't even considered how much money our government already gives away and how that could be appropriated more efficiently. Edited July 5, 2017 by Weganator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Weganator said: A person's labor is worth what they are worth on the open market, I'm not certain how wages would change in the fieldhand industry if there was no illegal labor in the US. My point was the people who look at all of the negatives of illegal immigration and come back with "they do jobs Americans won't do" haven't even considered how much money our government already gives away and how that could be appropriated more efficiently. There are many people trying to do it through legal visas and the government is being slow to give them out. Edited July 5, 2017 by Hersh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Hersh said: This is not true at all unless you think $15 an hour is modern day slavery. http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/business/article159412859.html Owners Bill and Julie Grandy weren’t able to get the H-2B visas they needed to bring in the workers from Mexico they’ve employed for years. They didn’t get a single local applicant for jobs advertised at $15 per hour So which is it....they couldn't get workers or couldn't get visas for workers??? Both? Tis a poor business model Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 5 minutes ago, twa said: So which is it....they couldn't get workers or couldn't get visas for workers??? Both? Tis a poor business model Both. They've had zero problems for 23 years. I guess you can blame the owners if it's easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-iranian-pug-20170705-htmlstory.html 'A travel ban for a pug? I don't think so!' How an abused puppy made the trip from Iran to America Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Just now, Hersh said: Both. They've had zero problems for 23 years. I guess you can blame the owners if it's easier. Always, buck stops at the top. looks like a lovely place though http://seasidefarmmarket.com/gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 1 minute ago, twa said: Always, buck stops at the top. looks like a lovely place though http://seasidefarmmarket.com/gallery I'd feel less sympathy for them if they weren't offering a pretty solid seasonal wage at $15 an hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, Hersh said: I'd feel less sympathy for them if they weren't offering a pretty solid seasonal wage at $15 an hour. in a place that is out of the way and unpopulated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 7 minutes ago, twa said: in a place that is out of the way and unpopulated Small permanent population but those places get packed in the summer. Very popular in NC. Not sure of the specific work to be done but I'm surprised college students living at the beach in the summer don't jump on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 (edited) Edited July 6, 2017 by visionary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Warning Mattis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Warner seems to be making a play for 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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