PF Chang Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 "The myth, which liberals like myself find tempting, is that only the right has changed. In June 2015, we tell ourselves, Donald Trump rode down his golden escalator and pretty soon nativism, long a feature of conservative politics, had engulfed it. But that’s not the full story. If the right has grown more nationalistic, the left has grown less so. A decade ago, liberals publicly questioned immigration in ways that would shock many progressives today." https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/07/the-democrats-immigration-mistake/528678/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Well we're in for chaos now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 What a stupid careless decision. This is going to be a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 It's bad I don't care anymore right? Cause I feel like I should. But I also feel like they are gonna get away with everything anyway so why raise my blood pressure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TradeTheBeal! Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 I guess it's time to change the wording on Lady Liberty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ABQCOWBOY Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 21 minutes ago, visionary said: LOL.... This is not funny but then again, it is. Politicians, on either side, hate to see this kind of support. It's the proverbial skunk in the punch bowl but I don't think it's fair to say that because the KKK supports one side or another, that it reflects the views or beliefs of whomever might be the target of that support. JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 (edited) Oh good. In theory this ruling could have been worse (though it should have been much better). But it looks pretty bad to just do this before reviewing. In practice and implementation...especially if Trump or other officials tell them to ignore the exceptions...it's likely going to be a ****ing ****show. It might not be as widespread as it could be though, since we've cut back on issuing visas in the first place. Edited June 26, 2017 by visionary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sacase Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 I am mixed on this. The 90 days is passed so it's kind of a moot point and not needed. However, the ruling is needed incase Trump or other presidents need to do so again in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) Edited June 29, 2017 by visionary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cooked Crack Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Why wait till tomorrow? I thought this was supposed to be keeping the bad hombres out. It's like this wasn't about security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Didn't see the part about close family. I feel like you give Trump an inch and he's going to take a mile. Supreme Court was pretty vague on what constitutes as a bona fide relationship. Can students from those countries come in if they don't have family relationship? Does that count as business ties? The court needs to strike it down. Do not assume Trump is like any other President. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 10 minutes ago, Cooked Crack said: Didn't see the part about close family. I feel like you give Trump an inch and he's going to take a mile. Supreme Court was pretty vague on what constitutes as a bona fide relationship. Can students from those countries come in if they don't have family relationship? Does that count as business ties? The court needs to strike it down. Do not assume Trump is like any other President. I take it you didn't see this earlier, but you are absolutely correct. Grandparents or fiancées don't count as "close relationships" apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 1 hour ago, skinsfan_1215 said: I take it you didn't see this earlier, but you are absolutely correct. Grandparents or fiancées don't count as "close relationships" apparently. This is really stupid and cruel (and at least partially the Supreme Court's fault for not thinking this **** through). A lot of people are raised by aunts, uncles, grandparents, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 If we tell people who's allowed and who isn't, before they show up in the US with luggage and a passport, then it wouldn't be a cluster ****. (As much.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sacase Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) 10 hours ago, visionary said: This is really stupid and cruel (and at least partially the Supreme Court's fault for not thinking this **** through). A lot of people are raised by aunts, uncles, grandparents, etc. They are going by the current definitions used for brining in family members for green cards. Pretty sure you cannot sponsor your grandparents for a Greencard. Edited June 29, 2017 by sacase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 A green card lasts for 10 years. You can effectively stay here forever. A visa is temporary. Your grandma is sick or your cousin is getting married? Go pound sand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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