Spearfeather Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 (edited) http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/02/10/160-arrested-across-southern-california-in-immigration-crackdown/ 160 Arrested Across Southern California In Immigration Crackdown Quote Of the 160 arrested, about 150 had criminal histories, while five more had either been previously deported or had “final orders of removal”. Many of those arrested had prior felony convictions for “serious or violent offenses” including child sex crimes and assault. The arrestees – which were 95 percent male – included nationals from a dozen countries, according to ICE. Edited February 11, 2017 by Spearfeather 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Im cool with kicking out the serious criminals. Can we send some of ours to Mexico? You build the wall and we'll toss the criminals over. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsFan44 Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 2 hours ago, twa said: Ya;ll do grasp the rulings so far are just on a stay and a full hearing on the matter has not been conducted? Y'all realize that the ruling going 3-0, team Trump saying they won't take it to the SC, and the chaotic rollout of the EO shows this wasn't well thought out and is most likely on shaky ground? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 9 minutes ago, RedskinsFan44 said: Y'all realize that the ruling going 3-0, team Trump saying they won't take it to the SC, and the chaotic rollout of the EO shows this wasn't well thought out and is most likely on shaky ground? Yet it has been ruled legal in court as well....so 3-0 isn't correct. The fact they started this ****storm before getting their legal team in place also plays a factor. It is much easier to gloss over details and play games on stays than the real thing. They can take it up to SCOTUS after a full hearing if they wish or simply issue a clarified EO and start fresh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, twa said: Yet it has been ruled legal in court as well... Where did that happen? It's been ruled against like 7-10 times by now. The upcoming Virginia ruling isn't looking good for them either. Edited February 11, 2017 by visionary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 (edited) Some more information on the ICE raids. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/federal-agents-conduct-sweeping-immigration-enforcement-raids-in-at-least-6-states/2017/02/10/4b9f443a-efc8-11e6-b4ff-ac2cf509efe5_story.html?utm_term=.22d942dc6ac4 Quote U.S. immigration authorities arrested hundreds of undocumented immigrants in at least a half-dozen states this week in a series of raids that marked the first large-scale enforcement of President Trump’s Jan. 26 order to crack down on the estimated 11 million immigrants living here illegally. The raids, which officials said targeted known criminals, also netted some immigrants who did not have criminal records, an apparent departure from similar enforcement waves during the Obama administration that aimed to just corral and deport those who had committed crimes. Trump has pledged to deport up to 3 million undocumented immigrants with criminal records. Last month he also made a change to the Obama administration’s policy of prioritizing deportation for convicted criminals, substantially broadening the scope of who the Department of Homeland Security can target to include those with minor offenses or no convictions at all. Immigration officials confirmed that agents this week raided homes and workplaces in Atlanta, Chicago, New York, the Los Angeles area, North Carolina and South Carolina, netting hundreds of people. But Gillian Christensen, a spokeswoman for the Department of Homeland Security, which oversees Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), said they were part of “routine” immigration enforcement actions. ICE dislikes the term “raids,” and prefers to say authorities are conducting “targeted enforcement actions.” Edited February 11, 2017 by visionary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 23 minutes ago, visionary said: Where did that happen? It's been ruled against like 7-10 times by now. The upcoming Virginia ruling isn't looking good for them either. Odd you never noticed Quote https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-02-06/why-boston-judge-decided-let-trumps-immigration-order-move-forward Within hours of the hearing, Gorton ruled in favor of the government. Gorton, a judge with a reputation as a conservative, was appointed to the federal bench by President George H.W. Bush. He has also served on the United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 17 minutes ago, twa said: Odd you never noticed I did remember some mention of a case in Boston going Trump's way, but assumed at the time it was a misreading of a previous decision. I didn't really get time to look into it, because the Seattle one overtook the news since then. After checking, it seems rulings on the EO so far have gone 6-1 against Trump. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearfeather Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 (edited) Quote David Marin, the director of Enforcement and Removal Operations for Immigration and Customs Enforcement in Los Angeles, said the actions taken this week were planned before Trump took office and were comparable to a similar weeklong operation taken last summer that resulted in 112 arrests. Marin said roughly 75% of the people arrested this week had prior felony convictions for crimes that included “sex offenses, assault, robbery and weapons violations.” Most of the 161 people arrested this week had been targeted for removal based on past criminal convictions, but Marin admitted a few people were swept up because they were found to be undocumented while other arrests were being carried out. http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-immigration-ice-20170210-story.html Edited February 11, 2017 by Spearfeather Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btfoom Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Good lord. It was just served up like a giant, slow pitch to a home run hitter, ready to be knocked out of the park. The last 8 years there have been so many people coming into the country across the Mexican border. Many are just looking for a better life (why there is no discussion as to why Mexico is so bad for its people, but that is for another thread), some are looking to make some quick money, and there are a few who are big time criminals who use the border for their own gains. Obama even helped Trump when he had folks sign up for some type of amnesty under the "Dreamer" act. All Trump needed to do is to accept them on the grounds that the US had promised them protection. He could have easily sold this to the hard core base as "what would you do if someone came to you asking for help?" If he did this, then he could have turned literally millions of folks in this country to him and not against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Larry Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 3 hours ago, visionary said: I did remember some mention of a case in Boston going Trump's way, but assumed at the time it was a misreading of a previous decision. I didn't really get time to look into it, because the Seattle one overtook the news since then. After checking, it seems rulings on the EO so far have gone 6-1 against Trump. Yes, but in twa land, the 6 rulings against Trump are "just stays", where people can play loose with things. Whereas the 1 decision not to grant a stay is "has been ruled legal". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsFan44 Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, twa said: Yet it has been ruled legal in court as well....so 3-0 isn't correct. The fact they started this ****storm before getting their legal team in place also plays a factor. It is much easier to gloss over details and play games on stays than the real thing. They can take it up to SCOTUS after a full hearing if they wish or simply issue a clarified EO and start fresh. Nice kissey emoticon. Trump administration is stuck in amateur mode. They won't risk taking it to SC without Gorsuch which undercuts their urgency argument. Why not have Congress pass legislation (rhetorical question)? They will re-write, gonna need more lawyers. Edited February 11, 2017 by RedskinsFan44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 7 hours ago, Larry said: Yes, but in twa land, the 6 rulings against Trump are "just stays", where people can play loose with things. Whereas the 1 decision not to grant a stay is "has been ruled legal". Have you read the decisions?....most are rather lacking legal substance and take liberties. History indicates it as legal,which controls in most cases. They can of course write new legal doctrine but it will need much more substance than demonstrated so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sisko Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 13 hours ago, redskins59 said: It is ultimately good. I will give you my own example. My wife has been a green card holder for close to 5 years. She could have applied for citizenship 2 years ago (wife of a citizen can apply for citizenship after 3 years), but it really was not a priority. Now because of Trump, it is a priority. Expect a surge in people applying for citizenship. And guess what it will lead to? Trump's demise. All of us have to take it in the chin until then unfortunately. Republicans are digging their own graves. The other angle on this is the degree to which the economy, especially in bumpkin land depends on those workers. Let those crops rot waiting to be harvested for a while and see what happens. Dump and the GOP are thinking they can expand the guest worker program to compensate but if Mexico is smart, they'll choke off the flow of legal workers coming in even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 11 hours ago, twa said: Odd you never noticed " Gorton’s decision, which focused narrowly on whether to extend the restraining order and not the merits of the case" ? 1 hour ago, twa said: Have you read the decisions?....most are rather lacking legal substance and take liberties. History indicates it as legal,which controls in most cases. They can of course write new legal doctrine but it will need much more substance than demonstrated so far. The Constitution requires that people in the US are granted due process, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 10 hours ago, btfoom said: Good lord. It was just served up like a giant, slow pitch to a home run hitter, ready to be knocked out of the park. The last 8 years there have been so many people coming into the country across the Mexican border. Many are just looking for a better life (why there is no discussion as to why Mexico is so bad for its people, but that is for another thread), some are looking to make some quick money, and there are a few who are big time criminals who use the border for their own gains. Obama even helped Trump when he had folks sign up for some type of amnesty under the "Dreamer" act. All Trump needed to do is to accept them on the grounds that the US had promised them protection. He could have easily sold this to the hard core base as "what would you do if someone came to you asking for help?" If he did this, then he could have turned literally millions of folks in this country to him and not against him. Couple of points... First, the number of illegal immigrants entering the country did not increase under Obama. It rose steadily from about 1990 until Obama took office, then dropped and stabilized. Second, was Trump supposed to accept the immigrants before or after he got elected based on a platform of getting rid of them all & keeping them out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 1 minute ago, PeterMP said: " Gorton’s decision, which focused narrowly on whether to extend the restraining order and not the merits of the case" ? As I mentioned earlier NONE of the rulings have focused much on the merits, though Gortons included more references to established law and less new application/inventiveness. which was after he granted a stay for some individuals these are all preliminary rulings and temporary. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinssRvA Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 21 minutes ago, PeterMP said: The Constitution requires that people in the US are granted due process, yes? The constitution affords that right to its citizens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, twa said: NONE of the rulings have focused much on the merits There's a lot of that "not focusing on merit" stuff going around these days. Edited February 11, 2017 by Sacks 'n' Stuff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 18 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: Couple of points... First, the number of illegal immigrants entering the country did not increase under Obama. It rose steadily from about 1990 until Obama took office, then dropped and stabilized. Second, was Trump supposed to accept the immigrants before or after he got elected based on a platform of getting rid of them all & keeping them out? It dropped with the recession and enforcement reforms and is back to record levels....of course the numbers are largely a guess since they extrapolate from captures and add in visa overstays. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/17/illegal-families-surge-across-border/ Even the total number here is just educated guesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 1 minute ago, twa said: It dropped with the recession and enforcement reforms and is back to record levels....of course the numbers are largely a guess since they extrapolate from captures and add in visa overstays. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/17/illegal-families-surge-across-border/ Even the total number here is just educated guesses. True. I was going to include a note about it being an impossible statistic to calculate but I'm a lazy, lazy man. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Riggo-toni Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 16 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: I'm a lazy, lazy man. You must be Mexican.... Signed, The Donald 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 10 minutes ago, Riggo-toni said: You must be Mexican.... Signed, The Donald I've worked with Mexicans. They aren't lazy. I am waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay lazier than your average Mexican American and it isn't even close. We're talking Ali vs Wepner here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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