nonniey Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 "............Just let me pause to emphasize the absurdity of this in all its depravity: This company selling a product that 95 percent of the time leads to the abortion of a child with Down syndrome has decided to pitch that product with . . . a picture of a child with Down syndrome. Who are the ad wizards who came up with this one? To complete this near-satanic act of indecency, the company used the child’s photo without the consent of her parents........" Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/419736/abortion-friendly-firm-spain-uses-girl-down-syndrome-its-ads-matthew-Hennessey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Ooh, looky.A National Review article goes on a mouth-foaming rant about a company that's selling a test for Down syndrome. By throwing around triggers like "Abortion friendly firm". And making claims like "a product that 95 percent of the time leads to the abortion of a child", which the article itself says isn't true. (It says that, in Spain, 95% of fetuses with Down syndrome are aborted. Not 95% of fetuses that are tested for Down.) ---------- And Looky. An ES poster who found the article, and skipped past the parts that actually tell the truth, so that he can quote the flamboyant claims which he had already read, weren't true. ---------- Oh, and if you dig a little, (like, follow the link in the article.), the claim that they "used the child’s photo without the consent of her parents"? The photo was posted to a "stock photo" web site. A site which claims that the photos on the site have been donated, for free, by the copyright owner, for free use. The parents of the girl say that they weren't the people who posted the photo, that it must have been stolen. ---------- And, the actual agenda, for the article and the parental objections? 1) Most parents who discover that their child has Down, choose to abort. 2) Therefore, they oppose parents testing for Down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Damn, Larry. Thanks for saving me the time to read that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 I might be reading more into it than is actually there but I think It does have a "don't let this happen to you" quality to it. Disturbing to use a person's photo for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Holy ****. Larry just went all Rhonda Rousey there. Didn't even last a round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted June 14, 2015 Author Share Posted June 14, 2015 I might be reading more into it than is actually there but I think It does have a "don't let this happen to you" quality to it. Disturbing to use a person's photo for it. Well at least you seem to have got the gist of this which more than the first poster who responded did (But that really wasn't a surprise given the poster). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Well at least you seem to have got the gist of this which more than the first poster who responded did (But that really wasn't a surprise given the poster). What, the poster who read the article and presented the facts correctly? Yeah, **** that guy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 when my wife was pregnant we had a test done at 8 weeks. It is a blood test called a panorama and can tell, among other things, if there are any birth defects in the fetus. We did it so we could tell if our child was a boy or a girl. At 8 weeks, this is several weeks sooner than a sonogram can see. If it turned out that he had downs, or any other defect that might make his life sub standard then we would have had a serious discussion about aborting the fetus. Luckily we didn't have to and now we have a healthy 8 month old baby boy. I don't think it's correct to judge people about decisions they make to abort a fetus, especially for the health of the baby or mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Invade Spain. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Slightly off topic, but I think the pro-life crowd (who I have some sympathy for) should focus on something that will actually reduce the number of abortions, like access to sex ed and birth control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Well there's an idea that has never been pitched before! Look mom, es solved the abortion debate! Invade Spain. ~Bang First dibs on the women Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Well there's an idea that has never been pitched before! You were expecting novelty in the abortion debate?Anyway, it's an "idea" backed by research and data, and it apparently bears repeating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 You were expecting novelty in the abortion debate? Anyway, it's an "idea" backed by research and data, and it apparently bears repeating. No. I wasn't. That was kind of my point. It's all been said a billion times, and it's off topic. I'm looking for the abortion debate in this thread tell me if you find it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins3D Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 when my wife was pregnant we had a test done at 8 weeks. It is a blood test called a panorama and can tell, among other things, if there are any birth defects in the fetus. We did it so we could tell if our child was a boy or a girl. At 8 weeks, this is several weeks sooner than a sonogram can see. If it turned out that he had downs, or any other defect that might make his life sub standard then we would have had a serious discussion about aborting the fetus. Luckily we didn't have to and now we have a healthy 8 month old baby boy. I don't think it's correct to judge people about decisions they make to abort a fetus, especially for the health of the baby or mother. Wow. I just have to leave it at that, wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Anyway, it's an "idea" backed by research and data, and it apparently bears repeating. making folk aware they are killing people helps as well and should increase use of preventative measures more than the old clump of cells meme. Disposable people.disposable lives, disposable inconveniences Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Nope, not touching this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 If it turned out that he had downs, or any other defect that might make his life sub standard then we would have had a serious discussion about aborting the fetus. Luckily we didn't have to and now we have a healthy 8 month old baby boy. I don't think it's correct to judge people about decisions they make to abort a fetus, especially for the health of the baby or mother. That's precisely what I was thinking of. My wife and I had a similar experience to your own. The open secret with those tests, and getting them done early, is to consider terminating the pregnancy. That is why I got the "don't let this happen to you" vibe from an ad featuring the face of an actual person. I'm not judging anyone but the marketing company that felt it was a good idea. I find it ghoulish and in poor taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 So, we going with the claim that this company chose to use someone that ought to be killed, as the face of their product, because they hate Down children? I think I've heard that argument, before. In the "name change thread". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Thanks, Larry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexey Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Controversial adds to generate a buzz - that's just capitalism. Now both sides are talking about it and thinking about testing products. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Nope, not touching this one. Smart, I think I'll follow you out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 So, we going with the claim that this company chose to use someone that ought to be killed, as the face of their product, because they hate Down children? That is one seriously oddly worded question larry. I prefer not to think in terms of people "that ought to be killed" personally. As I've stated previously the implication, intentional or otherwise, of that particular advertisement is in poor taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 So, we going with the claim that this company chose to use someone that ought to be killed, as the face of their product, because they hate Down children? I think I've heard that argument, before. In the "name change thread". Hate or indifferent? it is hard to use indifferent though since they target.....biased maybe, dare I say bigoted? If I was pointing a gun some might call it reckless or excessive....if they were people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 As an aside to this thread, I have often found it interesting that by today's standards and definitions Einstein, Edison, Beethoven, Mozart, Hawking, Martha Graham, and practically every other genius would be labeled disabled. I wonder if born today whether their achievements today would be the same or less? I am wary of aborting kids because they are different. I do sympathize with the idea of some genetic diseases that would mean likely vegetable, six months of life, or other very extreme conditions. Still, I find this a difficult area for a flip conversation. I don't like discounting any life just because it is beset with a challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 That's precisely what I was thinking of. My wife and I had a similar experience to your own. The open secret with those tests, and getting them done early, is to consider terminating the pregnancy. That is why I got the "don't let this happen to you" vibe from an ad featuring the face of an actual person. I'm not judging anyone but the marketing company that felt it was a good idea. I find it ghoulish and in poor taste. Now, our main reasoning for the test was to determine the sex of the baby. Neither of us were old enough or had a predisposed history of downs or any other defect. We were just really anxious to see if it was a boy or a girl. The main purpose of the test is to find defects though. Thus giving the parents the choice to decide how they would like to proceed. And yes. Using a kid with Down's syndrome as a "lesson" is definitely in poor taste. To be honest, it's like ads that show dead bodies to deter drunk driving or texting and driving. Showing a rotted lung to deter smoking. Generally along the same lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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