ixcuincle Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Reddit says caps weren't on discussions but things might have changed. Caps draft party friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Sharp to me like is like the Paul Pierce equation for the Wizards. He brings intangible veteran playoff experience and leadership.I thought that was Orpik...And Brouwer a few years back That leadership thing is a crock IMO Who was giving experienced leadership in TB? Callahan? He didn't win anything. They were good because they have 3-4 lines of talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Clark Fan Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Ian McLaren @iancmclaren 5h5 hours ago 11 teams currently under the $52.8 salary cap floor, as per @war_on_ice. Also... new alternate sweater for next year: Washington Capitals retweeted Tom Wilson @tom_wilso 32m32 minutes ago Not badddddd! 2015-2016 alternates... #RockTheRed Love this... cap space AND the new Red jersey haven't we worn the red throwbacks before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Wasn't Sharp a hot head womanizer or something to that effect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 I thought that was Orpik... And Brouwer a few years back That leadership thing is a crock IMO Who was giving experienced leadership in TB? Callahan? He didn't win anything. They were good because they have 3-4 lines of talent Well said. This team doesn't need to trade (give up assets) for an aging players at $5.9 million per season to provide something intangible, they need talent pure and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 I like the idea of a Sharp, but I agree with Hersh that it's a bit much to give up assets for someone at his age and cap hit. We'd probably be better off finding a vet in Free Agency without giving up assets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capcrunch98 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 I like the idea of a Sharp, but I agree with Hersh that it's a bit much to give up assets for someone at his age and cap hit. We'd probably be better off finding a vet in Free Agency without giving up assets. I completely understand what you're saying, but there's no forward in this summer's weak free agent pool with Sharp's skillset. Guys like Michael Frolik, Justin Williams, Joel Ward, and Mike Ribeiro will all get about $4 million and at least 3 year commitments from desperate teams. I'd much rather have Sharp at $6 million for 2 years. Sharp has been criticized for his defensive play, he's not the physical guy that Trotz prefers, and he fell to Chicago's 3rd line at times this past season. But he's still a great offensive talent, and if we could get him for our first rounder (22nd overall) and nothing more, I'd think you'd have to consider it if you believe the Caps are close to being legit contenders (which I do). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Sharp is old Think young Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pick6 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 I am on the Sharp bandwagon. I like a mix of young and old. Please kick Green to the crib. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 I completely understand what you're saying, but there's no forward in this summer's weak free agent pool with Sharp's skillset. Guys like Michael Frolik, Justin Williams, Joel Ward, and Mike Ribeiro will all get about $4 million and at least 3 year commitments from desperate teams. I'd much rather have Sharp at $6 million for 2 years. Sharp has been criticized for his defensive play, he's not the physical guy that Trotz prefers, and he fell to Chicago's 3rd line at times this past season. But he's still a great offensive talent, and if we could get him for our first rounder (22nd overall) and nothing more, I'd think you'd have to consider it if you believe the Caps are close to being legit contenders (which I do). I think trading away a first rounder for an older player coming off the worst year of his career with a high salary is...not thinking clearly considering the salary cap restraints of Washington. Basically, any team that does this trade for Sharp would be really helping out the Blackhawks so it shouldn't be more than a 3rd. It's a giant move for them to keep their better younger players to move his salary. At the end of the day, they will move it for almost anything that doesn't bring back money. Plus, the Caps have a lot of holes on this team and can't eat up nearly all their cap space on Holtby, Kuznetsov and Sharp. Thinking has to be beyond this next year as far as balancing the cap and retaining the good young players on the team. I am on the Sharp bandwagon. I like a mix of young and old. Please kick Green to the crib Old means nothing. The Caps have plenty of veterans on this team already. Talent is what matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capcrunch98 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 I think trading away a first rounder for an older player coming off the worst year of his career with a high salary is...not thinking clearly considering the salary cap restraints of Washington. Basically, any team that does this trade for Sharp would be really helping out the Blackhawks so it shouldn't be more than a 3rd. It's a giant move for them to keep their better younger players to move his salary. At the end of the day, they will move it for almost anything that doesn't bring back money. Plus, the Caps have a lot of holes on this team and can't eat up nearly all their cap space on Holtby, Kuznetsov and Sharp. Thinking has to be beyond this next year as far as balancing the cap and retaining the good young players on the team. If we could get a player like Sharp, who can help us immediately, and has only 2 years left on his deal, and make it work in terms of our cap restrictions, I think GMBM has to consider it. Of course we have to build for the future, but we're built to win now (wasn't that the logic behind the Orpik and Niskanen signings?). I can stomach parting with the 22nd pick (which is a roll of the dice in the NHL draft). If we can get him for a 3rd rounder, even better (but Chicago won't do that). Again, there is nobody out there in free agency this summer (Marty St. Louis???). And I wouldn't trade the farm for someone like Phil Kessell. To think that we'd have 3/4s of the $6 million cap room if we had just bought out Laich gives me a stomach ache. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Honestly the cold hard truth is that it's not much available. CHI is asking for a crazy return for Sharp It's on the young guys to take a big step Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capcrunch98 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Honestly the cold hard truth is that it's not much available. CHI is asking for a crazy return for Sharp It's on the young guys to take a big step I heard Chicago is asking for a big haul, but they're just posturing. As Hersh said, the Hawks need to get rid of him. But they're not going to give him away, he's still a great talent who would belong on the top two lines in Washington over the next 2 years. Some people are talking about him like he's 40 years old and coming off knee surgery, and that's just not true. He is way better than anyone out there in FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 I thought that was Orpik... And Brouwer a few years back That leadership thing is a crock IMO Who was giving experienced leadership in TB? Callahan? He didn't win anything. They were good because they have 3-4 lines of talent Really? Didn't Tampa make it to the SCF without much scoring from forwards 7-12? Through 23 playoff games, the Lightning have scored 63 goals. Of those 63 goals, 49 have been recorded by their top-six forwards. So 14 G in 23 games (through game 3 of the finals - the last TB win) counts as having 3-4 lines of talent? Stamkos didn't record a G in the SCF. But he's Canadian so there isn't a deafening roar from the media. TB won despite not getting secondary scoring. This despite being the top scoring team in the regular season. Now, where have we seen that formula before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 I heard Chicago is asking for a big haul, but they're just posturing. As Hersh said, the Hawks need to get rid of him. But they're not going to give him away, he's still a great talent who would belong on the top two lines in Washington over the next 2 years. Some people are talking about him like he's 40 years old and coming off knee surgery, and that's just not true. He is way better than anyone out there in FA. and some people are talking like he didn't have the worst year of his career including 8 even strength goals in 68 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capcrunch98 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 and some people are talking like he didn't have the worst year of his career including 8 even strength goals in 68 games. And still put up 43 points in 68 games, not bad for the worst year of his career. Only 3 Caps (Ovie, Backstrom, Carlson) had more points per game last season. I'm not saying Sharp is Brett Hull circa 1991, but he is better than anyone in free agency. And as far as giving up assets in a trade, anyone else with his skill set would cost a lot more (primarily because Sharp is coming off a down year and he's overpaid by about $1.5 mil) You acknowledge the Caps need help up front. Who would you like to see them go after, and what do you think it'll cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 I think a lot of you guys give TB too much credit. They were an above average offensive team with shaky goaltending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted June 24, 2015 Author Share Posted June 24, 2015 Sharp has 3 rings, but will be 34 1/2 through the season. If we can get him here on a 2 year deal, make it happen. He'd bolster the 2nd line. I thought that was Orpik... And Brouwer a few years back That leadership thing is a crock IMO Who was giving experienced leadership in TB? Callahan? He didn't win anything. They were good because they have 3-4 lines of talent I'd like Sharp because he's a good player and we'll need a 2C while Nicky is on the mend the first couple of months of the season. But the price has to be right and at his age, I doubt we find a happy median. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted June 24, 2015 Author Share Posted June 24, 2015 Honestly the cold hard truth is that it's not much available. CHI is asking for a crazy return for Sharp It's on the young guys to take a big step After we re-up Braden, we need to sink the rest of the money going all in on St Louis, Fehr, and Stafford. That's literally all that's out there. Gotta have them both and I think we can make it work. Keep in mind we'll have Vrana available and Burakovsky up all year, too. I think a lot of you guys give TB too much credit. They were an above average offensive team with shaky goaltending. They were an exceptional offensive team with great puck possession... the key to that Finals series was always Crawford. Good Crawford showed up and Tampa had some brain farts. No telling what happens if Bishop is healthy the whole series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capcrunch98 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 After we re-up Braden, we need to sink the rest of the money going all in on St Louis, Fehr, and Stafford. Gotta respectfully disagree with you there. St. Louis is 40, and he looked every bit that old this past Spring. Stafford is a 3rd liner who will probably get a long-term deal worth $4 million per (what he made last season). And to think people are on my ass for recommending Sharp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 And still put up 43 points in 68 games, not bad for the worst year of his career. Only 3 Caps (Ovie, Backstrom, Carlson) had more points per game last season. I'm not saying Sharp is Brett Hull circa 1991, but he is better than anyone in free agency. And as far as giving up assets in a trade, anyone else with his skill set would cost a lot more (primarily because Sharp is coming off a down year and he's overpaid by about $1.5 mil) You acknowledge the Caps need help up front. Who would you like to see them go after, and what do you think it'll cost? I don't know how they can afford to pay Sharp which I don't think you are really taking into consideration. Maybe they create more room somehow and it makes sense but I don't think that happens before the draft. So, essentially, the Caps would have to move someone else, which creates another hole in the lineup, and they would have to surrender assets to land him. Not sure how that makes sense. BTW, it might make more sense if Laich wasn't still hanging around the Caps neck. Then it wouldn't be such a big deal. Gotta respectfully disagree with you there. St. Louis is 40, and he looked every bit that old this past Spring. Stafford is a 3rd liner who will probably get a long-term deal worth $4 million per (what he made last season). And to think people are on my ass for recommending Sharp. ' We are in agreement on this except I'm not on your ass. After we re-up Braden, we need to sink the rest of the money going all in on St Louis, Fehr, and Stafford. That's literally all that's out there. Gotta have them both and I think we can make it work. Keep in mind we'll have Vrana available and Burakovsky up all year, Kuznetsov has to be re-upped as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted June 25, 2015 Author Share Posted June 25, 2015 Gotta respectfully disagree with you there. St. Louis is 40, and he looked every bit that old this past Spring. Stafford is a 3rd liner who will probably get a long-term deal worth $4 million per (what he made last season). And to think people are on my ass for recommending Sharp. I am not against Sharp, I'm just not for trading a prospect for him. Unfortunately we traded draftpicks 2, 3, and 4 for Glencross and Gleason. Not really for trading anyone that we have near the top of the cupboard at the moment, as I think all of them are legit. MAYBE you could talk me into Galiev. EDIT: Also, MSL takes better care of his body than most players in any sport. We are in agreement on this except I'm not on your ass. #hockeyporn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 EDIT: Also, MSL takes better care of his body than most players in any sport.Seriously. Have you seen his legs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Hart going to Price is a joke. And to win in a landslide? He plays for any other team and Ovie cruises to Hart. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Hart going to Price is a joke. And to win in a landslide? He plays for any other team and Ovie cruises to Hart. Pathetic. Agreed. Holtby didn't get much love either. 7th? I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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