Mania Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 If we were to fire Shanahan at the end of the season, who would be the best available GM, in charge of personnel. Bruce Allen would most likely be here in his same capacity. He isn't a personnel guru. We shouldn't give the head coach GM responsibilities. Would you be interested in promoting from within, say Morocco Brown or Scott Campbell, or would you like to hire a former GM like Scott Pioli or AJ Smith, or would you be interested in an Eric Decosta type from the Ravens or another current Assistant GM. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Anyone NOT called Shanahan. Or Jones. Jones might well be just as bad. Hail. *Edit* I responded to the thread title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 My thought is Brown or Pioli. But this is a real hard question to answer. If you don't work in the NFL it's obviously difficult to figure out who from what organization contributes what to personnel decisions. And we're not interviewing them to find out what their philosophy would be, whom they would hire, etc. So when we're guessing at guys who are just assistants, we're doing just that- guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Polian's still jobbing around on TV right? Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VRIEL1 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Snyder can't throw a ton of money at Charlie Casserly and lure him back to work his magic again? Then fire Shanahan and Co. Then hire: HC: Jon Gruden OC: Jay Gruden DC: Lovie Smith (Tampa Two) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinzfever2010 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Bring Charlie back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Tomb Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Snyder can't throw a ton of money at Charlie Casserly and lure him back to work his magic again? Then fire Shanahan and Co. Then hire: HC: Jon Gruden OC: Jay Gruden DC: Lovie Smith (Tampa Two) Ugh... Chucky won a SB with the team that Tony Dungy assembled. He was fairly average after that (once Brad Johnson retired). I am NOT a fan of Gruden - he's the world's biggest cheerleader for the flavor of the month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Someone high up from Packers, Patriots, Ravens, Steelers or 49ers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
issapunk Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Snyder can't throw a ton of money at Charlie Casserly and lure him back to work his magic again? Then fire Shanahan and Co. Then hire: HC: Jon Gruden OC: Jay Gruden DC: Lovie Smith (Tampa Two) Please no more family ties around here. I'll take David Shaw HC and if Rex Ryan gets fired, I would love him as DC. As far as GM, I really have no feel for that right now. AJ Smith would be tolerable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemocystem Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Constructive. ...I like it. I dunno at this point. I mean...short of some retread it's all a crapshoot. GB & Seattle would be my first rocks to look under for some talent to cherry pick from. After that, I've got no clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Any assistant GM from a top organization has to be better than a head coach whose son has his ear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 My thought is Brown or Pioli. But this is a real hard question to answer. If you don't work in the NFL it's obviously difficult to figure out who from what organization contributes what to personnel decisions. And we're not interviewing them to find out what their philosophy would be, whom they would hire, etc. So when we're guessing at guys who are just assistants, we're doing just that- guessing. Are you referring to Morroco? Curious as to why you and others I have seen are high on him. Wouldn't he also be responsible for the lack of talent always brought in during the draft or is there information that he is highly valued but always overruled/ignored for Vinny and now Shanahans picks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wysknz1 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Ugh... Chucky won a SB with the team that Tony Dungy assembled. He was fairly average after that (once Brad Johnson retired). I am NOT a fan of Gruden - he's the world's biggest cheerleader for the flavor of the month I agree I've never liked Gruden, I don't understand the infatuation for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 It's a great question. Because if we don't get our front office in order, I think we're going to see a ton of the coaches everyone keeps dreaming/wishing about turning Snyder down flat. Right now, Washington is seen as a place where coaches go to fail. And the days of Danny being one of only two or three owners willing to break the bank for a coach are over. Cap room, great tradition/fanbase, some nice young players on offense and hopefully a franchise QB... they are solid reasons to want to coach the Skins. But there are a ton of reasons to stay away too and they start with the owner's track record. No coach has really won under him. Not one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Casserly was horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyvern Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Kevin Colbert, GM Steelers. Good personnel acquisition history. We might be able to pry him away from the Steelers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayAction Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Chipwhich says "Casserly was horrible". What's the basis for your opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Are you referring to Morroco? Curious as to why you and others I have seen are high on him. Wouldn't he also be responsible for the lack of talent always brought in during the draft or is there information that he is highly valued but always overruled/ignored for Vinny and now Shanahans picks? He's not responsible for what the team intimately does, just for the scouting. As I said, as fans we don't really have access to the info that lets us judge that.But he was very highly thought of in Chicago, has been highly valued here and the Cardinals almost gave him their GM job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Chipwhich says "Casserly was horrible". What's the basis for your opinion? Oh I don't know because the Redskins and Texans were both horrible under his regime? His only claim to fame was the trade for Champ Bailey which should have netted us a strong foundation as a team, but his picks in general were terrible. His best picks were his easiest picks. Bailey, Lavar, and Samuels. All considered top five talent. Lower round picks are where GM's make their money. His were putrid. By the way, the only reason the Bailey trade occurred was because Ditka was an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasthunder Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 With Atlanta having an off season, they may want to shake up the front office, and if that happens, I think Thomas Dimitroff would be an excellent choice for our GM. But I doubt it would happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Casserly was horrible. Amen!!!! How friggin INSANE do people have to be to want THAT GUY back - he was WORSE THAN VINNY for hell's sake!!!!!! Pioli only failed because he couldn't land a good QB or a decent coach, and the aftermath of having a player blow his brains out in front of the staff. Look at how much talent is on that Chiefs team. Make Pioli GM, keep AJ Smith and Brown on staff, and have the 3 of them together select a coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Oh I don't know because the Redskins and Texans were both horrible under his regime? His only claim to fame was the trade for Champ Bailey which should have netted us a strong foundation as a team, but his picks in general were terrible. His best picks were his easiest picks. Bailey, Lavar, and Samuels. All considered top five talent. Lower round picks are where GM's make their money. His were putrid. By the way, the only reason the Bailey trade occurred was because Ditka was an idiot. Cerrato, NOT Casserly, drafted Lavar and Samuels. Casserly was fired in 99; they were drafted in 2000. Casserly had a long line of 1st round busts:Other than Bailey, nearly every 1st rounder he took was out of football within a few years. He also blew FA, giving big contracts to Stubblefield, Wilkinson (for whom he also traded a 1st and a 3rd), Leonard Marshall, Sean Gilbert. Traded a 1st,2nd, and 3rd for Brad Johnson. Prior to Bailey, the best pick he made in the 1st round was Kenard Lang, who spent most of his career as a backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Cerrato, NOT Casserly, drafted Lavar and Samuels. Casserly was fired in 99; they were drafted in 2000. Casserly had a long line of 1st round busts:Other than Bailey, nearly every 1st rounder he took was out of football within a few years. He also blew FA, giving big contracts to Stubblefield, Wilkinson (for whom he also traded a 1st and a 3rd), Leonard Marshall, Sean Gilbert. Traded a 1st,2nd, and 3rd for Brad Johnson. Prior to Bailey, the best pick he made in the 1st round was Kenard Lang, who spent most of his career as a backup. My mistake, I gave him too much credit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclops Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 I want Trent Kirchner. Currently the director of pro personnel in Seattle. Was bumped to the spot in 2010. Before that was a scout for Carolina and built a good portion of their superbowl team. I want him. BAD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike42 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Cerrato, NOT Casserly, drafted Lavar and Samuels. Casserly was fired in 99; they were drafted in 2000. Casserly had a long line of 1st round busts:Other than Bailey, nearly every 1st rounder he took was out of football within a few years. He also blew FA, giving big contracts to Stubblefield, Wilkinson (for whom he also traded a 1st and a 3rd), Leonard Marshall, Sean Gilbert. Traded a 1st,2nd, and 3rd for Brad Johnson. Prior to Bailey, the best pick he made in the 1st round was Kenard Lang, who spent most of his career as a backup. Its funny how your chewing up Casserly for those reasons when Vinny did those things on a larger scale during every off season. Sure, Casserly made a bad decision with Stubblefield/Big Daddy, but Vinny made those stupid moves all the time. The busted pick cannot all be blamed on Casserly as he made reasonable decisions with Shuler, Westbrock, Lang. A lot of respected GMs would have drafted those guys in the first round at the time. Casserly didn't have much luck. Trading draft picks for Brad Johnson was a smart move. Snyder screwed that up in 2000 as Brad went on to win a SB in Tampa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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