alexey Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 If you are interested in the topic, here is a debate that recently took place in Oxford. http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOAFgXcJkZ2zfXQa5csRym8ms6kwSRwJ4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gortiz Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 If you are interested in the topic, here is a debate that recently took place in Oxford. http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOAFgXcJkZ2zfXQa5csRym8ms6kwSRwJ4 good stuff, here's an excerpt that kicks things off pretty bluntly ... But before I get into that, I have some good news for all of you. I spoke today with Bill Gates of Microsoft, and he is going to give each of you ten million dollars if you vote with me on this motion. Now, none of you believe that is true. You know that I am making it up. But if I told you instead that I have some good news for all of you, that I spoke today with the creator of the universe, and that he will give each of you an eternity in paradise if you do what I say … Well, some of you here might believe me. Certainly, many people around the world would believe me. That is because because religion corrupts our sense of reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 This is becoming Ken like. Post the same general ideas in as many threads/posts as possible and not really address the points being made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grego Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 i do wonder how some people can be so obsessed with a non-belief. very odd. ive seen mormons less zealous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexey Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 This is becoming Ken like. Post the same general ideas in as many threads/posts as possible and not really address the points being made.for many years I was interested in these topics without knowing the big picture of the skeptical community and not being able to find good material.If somebody would have posted information and references, I would have really appreciated it. Now I am posting here in hope that somebody will find it interesting or helpful. I am doing to others what I would like others to do to me. Share things that they care about and find interesting. You are free to participate or not to participate. Live and let live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grego Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Live and let live. unless you are a theist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexey Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 unless you are a theist?Plenty of theists hold the "live and let live"' principle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Plenty of theists hold the "live and let live"' principle And plenty don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 It's as if all the gazillions of closed and merged threads about the Redskins name change had been started by the same person... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grego Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Plenty of theists hold the "live and let live"' principle okay, but meanwhile, you rip those who hold theistic beliefs? reminds me of the hippies that drive around with the 'coexist' bumper stickers on their prius.......with a darwin fish plastered next to it. gotta love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Thanks for the link alexey. I'll watch it when I have time. I don't understand the complaining in here. If you don't like it or have a problem with the OP, don't click it. Alexey isn't forcing you to participate. It's helpful when you don't have time to find stuff like this yourself. That's why I find the tailgate useful for most things. I get to catch up on misc. stuff that I otherwise would have missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexey Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 okay, but meanwhile, you rip those who hold theistic beliefs? .. I see people discussing ideas. Yes some people will feel attacked if their ideas are questioned.Personally, I welcome challenges to my ideas as opportunities to learn and grow. Feeling the need to protect my ideas by stifling debate would be a red flag for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grego Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 I see people discussing ideas. Yes some people will feel attacked if their ideas are questioned. so you dont believe this? That is because because religion corrupts our sense of reality. you just posted the article about it for "discussion"? gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zguy28 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 so you dont believe this? That is because because religion corrupts our sense of reality. you just posted the article about it for "discussion"? gotcha. Stop questioning his secular humanist ideas and get back in line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexey Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 so you dont believe this? That is because because religion corrupts our sense of reality. you just posted the article about it for "discussion"? gotcha. I see this as a factual statement that can be true or false. Are you so offended that you don't think we should be even taking about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grego Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 I see this as a factual statement that can be true or false. Are you so offended that you don't think we should be even taking about it? offended? lol. hardly. im just pointing out that 'live and let live' is easy when it only applies to likeminded folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 corrupts our sense of that is some fine wordsmithing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexey Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 offended? lol. hardly. im just pointing out that 'live and let live' is easy when it only applies to likeminded folks. You seem to imply that "live and let live" includes avoiding discussion of uncomfortable subjects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grego Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 You seem to imply that "live and let live" includes avoiding discussion of uncomfortable subjects. i'm stating that people who say things like 'live and let live' should actually do so. if you think youre going to convince people you dont post articles ripping religion, give it up. its ok- just own it. dont deny it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexey Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 i'm stating that people who say things like 'live and let live' should actually do so. if you think youre going to convince people you dont post articles ripping religion, give it up. its ok- just own it. dont deny it. I own ripping religion any deny ripping religious people. I judge ideas on their merit and people on their actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Do you get a pink Cadillac for recruiting the most new Atheists this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Do you get a pink Cadillac for recruiting the most new Atheists this year? it's a green Prius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexey Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 Who told you about the contest? *its actually a Tesla... pm me if you lose the faith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Do you get a pink Cadillac for recruiting the most new Atheists this year? Get your incentive scheme straight. That's the reward for recruiting men to the homosexual lifestyle. And the Oxford Union debates are famous ... one called 'King & Country in the 30s passed the motion that they would not fight for King & country. Churchill was not impressed. Legend has it that Hitler thought the Brits were soft and would not resist, in part based on this debate by the Oxford Union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Plenty of theists hold the "live and let live"' principleThis isn't live and let live....this is live and if you believe in God then you're a **** head just like all the other "theists are morons" threads alexy posts.As for the opening salvo that was quoted. If someone I don't know tells me that they spoke to Bill Gates then shouldn't I give them the benefit of the doubt until he admits or is proven to be a liar? By his assertion just because something seems unlikely doesn't mean it didn't happen, after all people meet famous people all the time and famous people do surprising things all the time. So his assertion is that we should operate with from the default mode that everyone is a liar until proven otherwise. Let me know how that works out. BTW, if the skeptic is truly a skeptic then she/he must be skeptical about their own skepticism lest they apply to everyone else a standard they themselves are not willing to use for themselves. As for religion being bad for society....tell me alexey, what religion was Stalin when he killed 12 million people? Twice the number as Hitler BTW. The reality is that there are evil ****s who lie, murder, cheat and steal and sometimes they use the guise of religion to do it other times they announce to the world that they are atheists as they kill 12 million people. So maybe atheism is to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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