Election 16: Donald Trumps wins Presidency. God Help us all!

[s0crates]

[Larry]

You're still asking me provide evidence something hasn;t happend. All I can say is if you read/listen to his speeches, he doesn't go after Hillary. Now if you're saying he somewhere has, you can link it, if not, just stop trolling. Other than link the text of every speech he's given and say "See, he didn't distinguish himself from Hillary here". I don't know what else to do. More to the point, saying he hasn't gone after Hillary is clearly my opinion; if you've heard things which lead you to believe he has, post it and discuss why you disagree--that is the point of a discussion board. 

I'll point out that you're now moving your own goalposts from claiming that he has no positions different from any other Democrat, and that he's changed his positions since announcing, to claiming that he hasn't attacked Hillary.

 

For some reason this won't count, bu I'll play along until you find some other reason to troll :

 

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101892470

 

 

Obama says economy is 'booming,' takes credit for record growth

Actually, I'd say that's pretty resounding support for your claim. That article doesn't only make that claim, it makes it several times. And tries to contradict the things that I remember, from that time.

Thank you.

[chipwhich]

Actually, I'd say that's pretty resounding support for your claim. That article doesn't only make that claim, it makes it several times. And tries to contradict the things that I remember, from that time.

Thank you.

 

oy vey

 

[s0crates]

Still think he hasn't distinguished himself from Hillary?

[PeterMP]

Or guys like Europeans  Alexis Tsipras, Francois Hollande, and  or Matteo Renzi. You know the real leftists that actually bucked the trend to move to the right in Europe. Since then  Greece, France and Italy are  lagging even further behind the states in Europe that decided to reduce  their reliance on leftist policies and systems. And all them lagged behind the more Capitalist United States. 

 

You advocate moving toward a system designed to ultimately fail. Bottom-line capitalism has shown itself to be superior to socialism and we have enough examples of that already that show that statement to be true.  I'd say there has got to be a good balance that is weighted more toward the capitalistic side of the equation and for this country we probably have already moved slightly to moderately past the healthy left side of the balance we need.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/glenn-d-braunstein-md/junk-food-advertising-to-kids_b_2973238.html

 

"A number of countries have managed to impose restrictions. Sweden and Norway don't allow advertising targeted to children younger than 12."

 

Try doing that in the US.

 

Want to guess what the comparable rates of childhood obesity and associated diseases are like between the countries (and associated costs)?

 

But bottom line capitalism rules, right?

[Redskins3D]

Socrates, 

 

I watched the 1st and 3rd video (some of that 3rd vid I'm pretty sure was befor ehe annouced but either way)... at what point was I supposed to see him go after Hillary--I missed it, Republicans Yes, Hillary No. 

[s0crates]

Socrates,

I watched the 1st and 3rd video (some of that 2nd vid I'm pretty sure was befor ehe annouced but either way)... at what point was I supposed to see him go after Hillary--I missed it, Republicans Yes, Hillary No.

You think Hillary is running her campaign on $40 donations? Does Hillary not have a Super PAC?

Is she arguing for a public healthcare system, free public universities, cutting military spending, and publicly funded elections?

Why do you suppose she is losing so much ground to him so quickly? Is it because the media is pushing Bernie over her?

[s0crates]

To add to that:

Bernie's top contribution 2009-2014: $16,000

Hillary's: $700,000

Bernie's top 5 contributors 2009-2014:

Communications Workers of America

UNITE HERE

National Education Assn

American Fedn of St/Cnty/Munic Employees

Service Employees International Union

Hillary's:

Citigroup Inc

Goldman Sachs

DLA Piper

JPMorgan Chase & Co

EMILY's List

Source: http://www.opensecrets.org

Still think there is no distinction b/w the two?

[Redskins3D]

Still think there is no distinction b/w the two?

 

I never said there is no distinction... I said he isn't saying anything about Hillary . Like he says "Republicans want to give the millitary 36 billion.... blah blah blah"

 

Why doesn't he go after Hillary? Hillary wants____________ I want______________

[88Comrade2000]

s0crates, I hope you aren't expecting Bernie Sanders to actually win the nomination and the Presidency.  There is nothing wrong with supporting the guy or voting for him but I hope you don't get your hopes up that he would actually win.

 

If Hillary were to stumble; the Dems would find another viable candidate.

 

 

I plan on voting for Gary Johnson; unless he doesn't run. One exception would be if John Kasich were the Republican nominee; then I'd vote for him.

[s0crates]

s0crates, I hope you aren't expecting Bernie Sanders to actually win the nomination and the Presidency. There is nothing wrong with supporting the guy or voting for him but I hope you don't get your hopes up that he would actually win.

If Hillary were to stumble; the Dems would find another viable candidate.

I plan on voting for Gary Johnson; unless he doesn't run. One exception would be if John Kasich were the Republican nominee; then I'd vote for him.

The irony of this post is staggering.

I hope you aren't expecting Gary Johnson to actually win. It's fine to support him, but he is not a viable candidate.

And FWIW, Bernie is building momentum fast. I'd like to think democracy still has a chance in America.

[The Evil Genius]

Trump with class...referring to a wheelchair bound Fox News pundit (Krauthammer) as being someone who just sits there and does nothing.

Keep it classy, Donny.

[Redskins3D]

And FWIW, Bernie is building momentum fast. I'd like to think democracy still has a chance in America.

 

definitely looking good in NH

[s0crates]

I never said there is no distinction... I said he isn't saying anything about Hillary . Like he says "Republicans want to give the millitary 36 billion.... blah blah blah"

Why doesn't he go after Hillary?

Wait a second here.

You said, Bernie has "bowed to the powers that be. He's has [sic] not once distinguished his self [sic] from the rest of the DNC."

Now that I have thoroughly refuted that nonsense, you've moved to complaining that Bernie isn't cannibalizing his own party.

A brilliant evasion!

[Redskins3D]

Wait a second here. You said, Bernie has "bowed to the powers that be. He's has [sic] not once distinguished his self [sic] from the rest of the DNC."

Now that I have thoroughly refuted that nonsense, you've moved to complaining that Bernie isn't cannibalizing his own party.

A brilliant evasion!

So does an uninformed voter (read: a voter) know why Bernie is different that Hillary? 

[PeterMP]

s0crates, I hope you aren't expecting Bernie Sanders to actually win the nomination and the Presidency.  There is nothing wrong with supporting the guy or voting for him but I hope you don't get your hopes up that he would actually win.

 

If Hillary were to stumble; the Dems would find another viable candidate.

 

 

I plan on voting for Gary Johnson; unless he doesn't run. One exception would be if John Kasich were the Republican nominee; then I'd vote for him.

 

Out of curiosity, who is this other viable candidate that isn't Sanders that the Dems would find?

[s0crates]

So does an uninformed voter (read: a voter) know why Bernie is different that Hillary?

Apparently more and more voters are getting his message every day.

I will concede that it is an uphill battle with all the money Hillary gets from Citibank, Goldman Sachs, et al. And that is to say nothing of the bias in the corporate press.

I have to have some hope though. Bernie has overcome long odds several times before, because his message is so compelling. It will take a major grassroots effort. The Internet might just make that possible.

I do worry that the money and media will be too much, but I don't think we should give our country over to special interests and lobbyists without a fight.

[s0crates]

Katie Couric asks a lot of the same questions you guys are asking here, if you have the attention span:

Best person in the race by a mile. It's not even close.

[88Comrade2000]

Alright 3D, here's Larry Sabato's latest electoral map:

 

 

 

If you disagree with that map, feel free to post what you think is the current state of the Electoral Map.

You can go to this site:  http://www.270towin.com/ and create your own electoral map and then post it.

 

 

I pretty much agree with Larry's current assessment. I think the tossip states are Nevada, Colorado, Iowa, Virginia, Ohio, New Hampshire and Florida.

 

Why do I feel Hillary will win:

 

1.  The presidential electorate is more diverse, liberal & larger than the mid-term electorate.

2.  The country has moved toward the left on the social issues like gay marriage, abortion debate, etc. I know the right feels like a silent majority will RISE from their slumber and defeat the heathens of the Democratic party.

3.  Immigration favors the Dems, though I think it depends on where.  The places that are more Republican are solidly against any amnesty and actually would prefer legal immigration stop also. The places that are pro-amnesty or where the hispanic vote could make a difference in the winner of that state; lies more in Dem areas or toss-up states.  I think Hispanics get the feel of intense hostility from Republicans.  I don't see them voting for a Republican candidate even if it is Bush or Rubio.  They know despite the fact that Bush and Rubio would probably be pro-amnesty; the Republican congress would never go along.

4.  Inequality issues.  People still associate Big everything with Republicans. They view Republicans as more friendly to the Bigs than Democrats; when in fact it's actually both parties in bed with the Bigs.

5. Gender; you bet I feel Gender is going to be an issue in this election. Woman are a majority of the voters. I believe a majority of women are either liberal or moderate. Woman's issues will be paramount with them. There's no way in hell they would vote for a Republican ever.  What's a better way to get women's issues address than through a female Democratic president.  They really think a Republican male: white or Hispanic would do that? Hillary doesn't have to be liked.  The excitement for her will come once she gives her nomination speech. Then it's reality. Americans can vote for a woman for President and that could get Hillary just enough votes to overcome the anti-Hillary vote that will certainly be there.

6.  The majority of blacks, Hispanics, asains will not for the Republican candidate. Liberals will not vote for a Republican. I think moderate women will not vote Democratic.  I also think, some of those married wives of right wingers will secretly vote for Hillary.

 

Right now, I see the Republican nominee being 3 possible candidates:

 

Hillary Clinton vs Jeb Bush

 

Using http://http://www.270towin.com/

 

I have Hillary beating Bush 297 to 241.  If Bush is the nominee, there will be some Republicans who will either skip voting for President or stay home. I have Bush only winning the tossup states of Florida and Iowa. I don't see Bush flipping any Dem states.

 

http://http://www.270towin.com/2016_election_predictions.php?mapid=bLDt

 

 

 

Hillary Clinton vs Marco Rubio

 

I have Hillary winning 278 to 260.  If Marco is the nominee, he does get some of the Hispanic vote. He gets enough for him to win Nevada and Colorado. Rubio also wins Florida, Iowa and New Hampshire. I don't see Rubio flipping any regular Dem states.

 

http://www.270towin.com/2016_election_predictions.php?mapid=bLDw

 

 

 

Hillary Clinton vs Scott Walker

 

Right now, I have Hillary beating Scott Walker: 298- 240.  Scott wins his home state of Wisconsin and wins Ohio but that's it. Hillary wins all the other tossups.

 

 http://www.270towin.com/2016_election_predictions.php?mapid=bLDx  

 

 

I also came up with a scenario where Hillary and Scott ties:

 

Scott wins Wisconsin, Ohio and Florida and we get a 269-269 tie.  That would be real fun.

 

http://http://www.270towin.com/2016_election_predictions.php?mapid=bLDy

 

 

I'm giving Scott Wisconsin since he's the governor there but he could lose his home state. If he wins big in Wisconsin; then odds are Scott could flip the midwest to his favor and then win the PResidency:  305- 233.  Scott would win Wisconsin, Ohio, Florida, Michigan and Pennsylvania.   

 

http://www.270towin.com/2016_election_predictions.php?mapid=bLDz

 

 

Hillary faces anyone else and she probably wins a landslide.  I don't think John Kasich could do well against her.

 

 

So, 3D you are so confident the Republican has it in the bag; then why don't post some possible electoral scenarios.

 

 

Note: IF the economy crashes right before the election; then it won't matter. Even Ted Cruz  would probably get elected.

 

I don't think all the links to the different maps work.

[88Comrade2000]

The irony of this post is staggering.

I hope you aren't expecting Gary Johnson to actually win. It's fine to support him, but he is not a viable candidate.

And FWIW, Bernie is building momentum fast. I'd like to think democracy still has a chance in America.

 

I don't expect Gary Johnson to have a snowballs chance in hell to win but I'll vote for him, unless as I said Kasich is the nominee. I have voted for the Libertarian PResidential candidate the last 3 times.

 

I was posting that because I think you really think Bernie Sanders could be the democratic nominee or even President. The Dems haven't gone with their heart since 1972. 2016 is their election to lose; their heads will overrule their hearts. Bernie will put a little scare in Hillary and maybe even win one of the first 2 states. Then Dems will calm down and come back to reality and vote for Hillary. If Hillary is in trouble; Bernie Sanders will not be the alternative. They will look to John Kerry, Al Gore and their real love Elizabeth Warren.

 

Bernie will just push Hillary to further to the left.

[PokerPacker]

I don't expect Gary Johnson to have a snowballs chance in hell to win but I'll vote for him, unless as I said Kasich is the nominee. I have voted for the Libertarian PResidential candidate the last 3 times.

I'm not familiar with Kasich. What makes him great? I'm asking as someone who voted for Gary Johnson last election.

[chipwhich]

 I have voted for the Libertarian PResidential candidate the last 3 times.

 

This concept always....what's the word...intrigues me....confounds me....amuses me....perplexes me....

 

I guess I am a realist.  It's kind of like living in MD and registering as a Republican.  Your vote in the primaries is worthless, your vote in the general election is mostly worthless.

 

When you vote libertarian in our system, you are just like **** it, I know my vote is totally worthless but I feel good.

 

[s0crates]

I was posting that because I think you really think Bernie Sanders could be the democratic nominee or even President. The Dems haven't gone with their heart since 1972.

We went with our heart in 2008, but we were duped. Bernie is what we thought Obama was.

Bernie will just push Hillary to further to the left.

Perhaps, but make no mistake, Bernie is in it to win it.

[nonniey]

I don't expect Gary Johnson to have a snowballs chance in hell to win but I'll vote for him, unless as I said Kasich is the nominee. I have voted for the Libertarian PResidential candidate the last 3 times.

 

....

Well I posted this before (2012?).  I know you like his policy positions but on a personal level Gary Johnson is an idiot. Did you know he put his college roommate into the New Mexico State Adjutant General position? The guy had absolutely zero National Guard and government experience and didn't perform well in the position.

[Hersh]

You think Hillary is running her campaign on $40 donations? Does Hillary not have a Super PAC?

Is she arguing for a public healthcare system, free public universities, cutting military spending, and publicly funded elections?

Why do you suppose she is losing so much ground to him so quickly? Is it because the media is pushing Bernie over her?

 

I'm going to listen to Bernie's interview below, but if these are his positions, has he said how he would pay for it? Particularly free public universities?