SkinsHokieFan Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 no, none of the NSA spying, or whatever other pet issue you are attached to... is his fault... I never realized the 4th amendment was a "pet issue" It isn't to the ACLU, nor was it to half the country from 2001-2008. Since it has been established in this thread that all of us knew what was going on anyway, but apparently don't care, it just confirms that we have bi partisan consensus on the surveillance state in America Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 I care a great deal, but most folks think I'm bonkers, soooo... I wish the Times would've released the warrant-less wiretapping story before the 2004 election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 The issue for me is much bigger than whether a particular NSA program has gone too far. Or whether the NSA having access to my phone call meta data is a violation of any amendment. Rather, we have an extremely well funded organization who is happy to lie to Congress about their programs, and also behave in a rogue manner without thought of the consequences. There is a backlash against this in the tech community. As noted, the NSA actions to serve a particular purpose don't take into account the broader consequences. Much like the uncontrolled use of Stuxnet to cripple some of the Iranian centrifuges essentially handed the technology over to enemies so that they can enhance it, and turn around and deploy it against us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsluggo Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 I never realized the 4th amendment was a "pet issue" It isn't to the ACLU, nor was it to half the country from 2001-2008. Since it has been established in this thread that all of us knew what was going on anyway, but apparently don't care, it just confirms that we have bi partisan consensus on the surveillance state in America you missed my point completely. There is no doubt that information was released that is important to any number of people that are interested in any number of important issues. When you dump tens-of-thousands of classified documents onto the street, there is going to be information that is interesting to people, and some of it for very good reasons. If he was concerned about the NSA snooping issue, then i might be sympathetic to the strategic whistleblowing release of a specific document or group of documents. (although how it was done would still be paramount, and it certainly wouldn't give him, or anyone else, a blank check to do whateverthehell he pleases) But he didn't do a strategic release.... he dumped EVERYTHING.... and in Russia, the bastion of democracy, transparency and human rights. Then after the fact, when people bring up issue x or issue y.. he says "yeah yeah.. THAT was why I did it...THAT was what i was concerned about... " Bull ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Is it ok that I think that Snowden is an arrogant, self-righteous **** who should be tried as a traitor, and also have a serious problem with the NSA's surveillance program? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurseReversed Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 you missed my point completely. There is no doubt that information was released that is important to any number of people that are interested in any number of important issues. When you dump tens-of-thousands of classified documents onto the street, there is going to be information that is interesting to people, and some of it for very good reasons. If he was concerned about the NSA snooping issue, then i might be sympathetic to the strategic whistleblowing release of a specific document or group of documents. (although how it was done would still be paramount, and it certainly wouldn't give him, or anyone else, a blank check to do whateverthehell he pleases) But he didn't do a strategic release.... he dumped EVERYTHING.... and in Russia, the bastion of democracy, transparency and human rights. Then after the fact, when people bring up issue x or issue y.. he says "yeah yeah.. THAT was why I did it...THAT was what i was concerned about... " Bull ****. This isnt about Russia. He leaked it to EVERYBODY. Russia is just the only place that would take him in, and give him protection. Or where he felt safe, either way. If anybody was in his position they would have gone to russia or china or even Iraq if they had to. Americas shadow is large and its not unimaginable that he would have to suffer some inconvenience to get out from under it. Its not like he was some russian sympathizer who defected. I am no fan of Russia or their policies but i couldnt care less that it is where he lives now. Just like I dont care whether he had a stripper girlfriend or did cocaine in college. We might have known a lot of this is true, but what he did still made a huge impact. I think its definitely for the better. I am not worried about russians coming to get us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Is it ok that I think that Snowden is an arrogant, self-righteous **** who should be tried as a traitor, and also have a serious problem with the NSA's surveillance program? Far as I'm aware, every person has the right to decide that the messenger is an ***hole, but that in this case, what he says is right. Occasionally it happens in Tailgate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Only thing that bothers me is what our government will do to his relatives, friends, etc...they've already tried to ruin Greenwald. I saw a bumper sticker in traffic years ago that I'll never forget: I love my country but I fear my government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 wasn't he actually trying to flea to Latin America but got stuck in a Russian airport? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Wow, so many people in our government with bold faced lies directed at the citizens, including the president. How someone like Drake, who did nothing wrong, can be ruined professionally, indicted on federal charges only to have them removed, while being strong-armed into financial ruin for legal defense fees ... that is somehow ok. Yet those government individuals, entities, can blatantly lie, literally steal our individual, sensitive, information and deceive the public / world at large, and nothing comes to them ... ****. ****, I say. We're ****ed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qIamc4j-wA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/05/politics/u-s-new-leaker/index.html New leaker disclosing U.S. secrets, government concludes The federal government has concluded there's a new leaker exposing national security documents in the aftermath of surveillance disclosures by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden, U.S. officials tell CNN. Proof of the newest leak comes from national security documents that formed the basis of a news story published Tuesday by the Intercept, the news site launched by Glenn Greenwald, who also published the Snowden's leaks. The Intercept article focuses on the growth in U.S. government databases of known or suspected terrorist names during the Obama administration. The article cites documents prepared by the National Counterterrorism Center dated August 2013, which is after Snowden flew to Russia to avoid U.S. criminal charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Guess I'm not a thinking person, cause I don;t think he (Snowden) revealed anything that I (and you) didn't already know. (This is also my reaction to the people crying "Traitor! He crippled our ability to fight terrorists!") Larry, come on man. The federal Judge who in December called the NSA's data collection practices "Orwellian Like", and "almost certainly unconstitutional" based upon Snowdens Leaks thought Snowden's information was new. Congressmen and Senators who have been warning of NSA's invasive mass data collection practices for years, but could not speak of specifics also thought Snowden's leaks on those specifics were new. The Senate and Congress who each have passed and continue to pass reform legislation in the wake of the Snowden Leaks believed the Snowden Leaks were new and disturbing... The President who also issued his own presidential order to reform the NSA reacting to Snowden's leaks thought Snowden's leaks represented new information. I mean Americans may have known of the existence of the FISA court system... But Americans did not know that "court" authorized the NSA to collect virtually every phone call record in the United States with a single ruling. Or the NSA violated the hugely permisive FISA court rulings 2,776 in just a one-year period and for just one of their hundreds of programs. http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-broke-privacy-rules-thousands-of-times-per-year-audit-finds/2013/08/15/3310e554-05ca-11e3-a07f-49ddc7417125_story.html Americans did not no the Director of National Intelligence James Clapper lied to the senate as he testified in front of them on TV. http://www.dni.gov/files/documents/2013-06-21%20DNI%20Ltr%20to%20Sen.%20Feinstein.pdf That the Obama administration mislead the Supreme Court in the case Clapper v. Amnesty International case getting it dismissed for lack of evidence; which the Obama administration was illegally with holding. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/14/us/justice-dept-criticized-on-spying-statements.html?_r=2 The NSA collected and tracked Geo locations off American Cell phones for two years in a pilot project just to see if they could find a use for it . http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/03/us/nsa-experiment-traced-us-cellphone-locations.html?hp&_r=1& That in one month the NSA collected 97 billion pieces of information about computer networks globaly.... 3 billion of which came from US computers. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/08/nsa-boundless-informant-global-datamining That the NSA was actively involved in corrupting the data standards which keep the internet secure. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/09/crucial-unanswered-questions-about-nsa-bullrun-program That the NSA tracked individual American's porn habits in a program designed to discredit them.. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/26/nsa-porn-muslims_n_4346128.html?1385526024 That the NSA harvested millions of illicit video's from the cell phones and online email accounts of people for what purpose we still don't know. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/27/gchq-nsa-webcam-images-internet-yahoo There is a lot we didn't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 JMS is back! NSA spying, Patriot Act, NDAA. Who says we have rights? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurseReversed Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Hillarious Snowden Interview with John Oliver. The **** pic part halfway through had me dying. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEVlyP4_11M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 New Oliver Stone movie "Snowden" is filming right now in DC. Joseph Gordon-Levitt @hitRECordJoe 31m31 minutes ago Shailene and I are shooting in front of the White House today! #Snowden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrFan Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 I just wonder why the NSA spied on the agitated prick Sarkozy and the ultimate douche Hollande ? What a waist of tax dollars ! Everybody is spying on each others, there are no "allies", they are targets or vassals. They spied on each others, turns out they found no intelligence. Strangely, there are no leaks concerning Russia and China ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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