Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Wow....was that an impressive leap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkeyBoy Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 You obviously don't understand what my position was on that. I said it's getting WORSE every single year.....now why is that? Could it be because this country is basically 50% divided now Rep/Dem because of what is going on elsewhere? So the trademark is revoked....what will it be next year? What will it be the year after? It's absolutely sickening to see the amount of opposing fans all of a sudden "OK" with the name change. Let me be the first to tell you, if Dallas "Cowboys" was substituted as racism instead of Redskins......I would also be devastated. I just looked through your own words and never once did you make anything close what you said here your main point. You literally said the only reason it got this far is because of the 50. That is categorically false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuNiT21 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I just looked through your own words and never once did you make anything close what you said here your main point. You literally said the only reason it got this far is because of the 50. That is categorically false. Dude I don't know what to tell you then. Sometimes I don't have time to write a complete book. If you can't put the pieces of the puzzle together on my long response above than we will agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkeyBoy Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Dude I don't know what to tell you then. Sometimes I don't have time to write a complete book. You wrote a really long chapter where you never brought up your annoyance with other fans using it against us, only PC Liberals and Harry Reid & 49 other Senators. If you want to make an addendum sure, but the post Bang replied to and your response was entirely about Reid and Liberals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzSkinsFan63 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Is not a comparison of Redskins fans to Child Pornographers but thanks for trying NewsBusters. JON STEWART: Hard to think of any other change that is this long overdue. WILL RIPLEY: A new bill in Japan outlaws the possession of child pornography. Does Will Ripley have to actually say "Oh wait i got one" for you to get it?..apparently yes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkeyBoy Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 JON STEWART: Hard to think of any other change that is this long overdue. WILL RIPLEY: A new bill in Japan outlaws the possession of child pornography. Does Will Ripley have to actually say "Oh wait i got one" for you to get it?..apparently yes... Saying "These two long overdue decisions were finally made" isn't the same as "These two long overdue decsions are exactly the same" http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/06/20/jon-stewart-tackles-redskins-trademark-registration-ruling-on-daily-show/ Which is why the SportsBog covered it without the Japanese segment and The Daily Show's own video clip(Not Newsbusters) is edited to make the Redskins section it's own contained piece seperate of the Japanese story. Here's a Japanese culture site that understands the comparison is between The new law and American gun laws. http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2014/06/20/video-the-daily-show-compares-japanese-content-laws-to-american-gun-laws It was a segue to make a comparison to the NRA(Which was the punchline of the Japanese segment) not Redskins fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzSkinsFan63 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Saying "These two long overdue decisions were finally made" isn't the same as "These two long overdue decsions are exactly the same" It was a segue to make a comparison to the NRA(Which was the punchline of the Japanese segment) not Redskins fans. Okey Dokey... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkeyBoy Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Okey Dokey... I'm a stand-up comedian. If you ever want more information on joke structure and segues, I'd be more than happy to share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Oh this is good. http://time.com/2894357/redskins-trademark-indian-interactive/ The 450 Companies That Still Have Indian Mascots The Washington Redskins lost their trademark (pending appeal) on Wednesday after a federal agency ruled that the football team’s name is “disparaging to Native Americans.” While the team will no longer have exclusive rights to its name, it is far from the last business to use Native American imagery in its merchandise. The United States Patent and Trademark Officecategorizes all logos by the images they contain. Those records include over 600 active trademarks for insignia that feature Native American men and women, registered to 450 different companies. In most cases, no one is accusing these companies of disparagement. If faced with an action the agency evaluates whether trademarks were disparaging at the time of their registration. Here’s a look at all the Native American imagery trademarked in the U.S. from the now-defunct Redskins logo to Land O’Lakes butter and American Spirit cigarettes. Tap or mouse over a logo to see the owner and description. <---Hit the link for this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Here's a Japanese culture site that understands the comparison is between The new law and American gun laws. http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2014/06/20/video-the-daily-show-compares-japanese-content-laws-to-american-gun-laws It was a segue to make a comparison to the NRA(Which was the punchline of the Japanese segment) not Redskins fans. That's very apt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 And really, what lasting damage was done to Stanford, St. John's, et. al. as a result of those name changes? Did the programs suffer? Did the fan base abandon them? Did enrollment go down? And? That's not a justification for changing the name. My point was that slippery slope is applicable in this case, and NCAA is one such example of it happening before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 it was purposefully absurd. The point is that you have identified the whole litany of demands from the most extreme opponents to the name.... they probably won't get everything that they want, but probably will keep clamoring for it. I've identified the arguments from the MAIN opponents of the name that are NA. The leaders of the chorus. That you identify them as extreme is telling about what you think of their overall position. So should extremists get to dictate a change on behalf of their people that the majority of their own people don't support? I don't think so. Do you really think the main NA leaders of the name change crowd aren't going to have to sign off on whatever we change the name to if we're forced to do so? Do you really think they'll approve anything other than a complete removal of the NA theme? Again, look at NCAA. Once the precedent is set, the rest of the dominoes will fall. They don't need majority support now, they won't need it then either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Ah, but the Nazis have basically made it verboten to use the swastika, an ancient symbol I've seen in person on artifacts. They also made it impolite to use the "salute" which is essentially the Roman salute (as far as we understand it, at least) In fact, if you watch Glory or civil war movies, you'll see that salute more or less in use, just less upward. But no one uses it anymore because of one warring faction's use of it. Now, you can argue that non of this is off limits and nothing should stop you from dressing up for Halloween as a samurai, a Mongol warrior or a Wehmacht soldier. People dress up as Americans all the time. No one I have seen has ever been offended. But it is not a double standard because the mascots are in no way similar. Because leprechauns do not, in fact, exist. Are you sure ? Who says it is a leprechaun ? Perhaps it was an image of an Irish person. I realize that I am being a little silly here, but why would that be considered just fine. Ok you got me I didn't look up the numbers, I find it funny the Cherokee nation of red people have an issue with the name though, don't you? And ok so your list accounts for 1 million people, that's still 20% which is a minority. We don't go around changing things because of vocal minorities. That's not how things work. Someone else already responded to this that is also NA. The leaders of the tribe do not always speak for the tribes belieifs as a whole. Mistakes are made and people are misrepresented. This is true of all social issues though, isn't it? It's almost always a small percentage of people pushing an idea. I am in no way shape or form creating an equivalency here (which means that everyone is going to yell that I am creating an equivalency here). I repeat, I am in no way shape or form creating an equivalency here. But during the 30s and 40s, the NAACP never had more than 100,000 members and at the strength of its power and influence never had more than 600,000 members. So, the civil rights movement probably never engaged more than 10 percent of the black population at any given time. By the way, this is in no way equivalent. At all. So...that means other races were offended also to a significant number. That is not the case here. So, I would say, "What do you think Muslims think about......?" Not that I think you speak for all Muslims, but I know 4 and you are one of those four so go with it. I would totally use the word Muslim in front of you. A lot. Constantly in fact. You would grow to hate me. Why would he hate you if you called him Muslim ? If in fact he was ? That makes no sense at all. As I stated earlier...I have never met a yellow person in my entire life. Never. I would be amazed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Okey Dokey... He's absolutely right. There was no comparison made between the two things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grego Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Here’s a look at all the Native American imagery trademarked in the U.S. from the now-defunct Redskins logo to Land O’Lakes butter and American Spirit cigarettes. good to see ray halbritters 'smokin joes' cigs represented. wouldnt want to use native american imagery since it contributes to low self esteem and high suicide rates among native americans. i'm sure ray is looking out for his peeps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzSkinsFan63 Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 He's absolutely right. There was no comparison made between the two things. Sure thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Sure thing! Thank goodness you're here. I'm not sure where we'd be without the zero you're adding to the discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzSkinsFan63 Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Thank goodness you're here. I'm not sure where we'd be with the zero you're adding to the discussion. aww Thanks man! So Rufus..what did Stewart mean when he said....Did not see that coming. Did you say “a new bill,” a NEW bill? after "Hard to think of any other change that is this long overdue." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkeyBoy Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 aww Thanks man! So Rufus..what did Stewart mean when he said....Did not see that coming. Did you say “a new bill,” a NEW bill? after "Hard to think of any other change that is this long overdue." This is just getting embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzSkinsFan63 Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 This is just getting embarrassing. yep it sure is..... He's absolutely right. There was no comparison made between the two things. By the way that was stellar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 aww Thanks man! So Rufus..what did Stewart mean when he said....Did not see that coming. Did you say “a new bill,” a NEW bill? after "Hard to think of any other change that is this long overdue." Maybe there is a school near you and you can ask the English teacher there what a comparison is. Apart from that, don't look for any more responses from here after your multiple attempts to be condescending to other because you don't know what you're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultravin Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Washington FC keep and trademark the logo and the song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkeyBoy Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 yep it sure is..... C'mon man! Don't you get it? Please? Just get it, man.* *Amazingly and somewhat ironically, according to the link to this picture is from a freerepublic.com thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemocystem Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Same argument would apply to Brave, Chief, and for many Indian as well. Probably when will be used when these groups go after those teams after Redskins. It's an argument that assumes the word is a slur and one wouldn't use it around NAs because of that. Really one wouldn't use it because it's an outdated term as a descriptor much like Celtics. I'd refer to someone as a Native American and only that. I wouldn't refer to them as Indian or Chief or Brave. That doesn't mean those team names are all offensive and should be changed, especially not when most Native Americans don't care.True story. ..just about everyone I know refers to me as "Chief" on occasion...never once have I taken offense to it. Conversely, my wife's family is all "fresh off the boat" Irish, & the entirety of the family is joined together in uniformed passionate hatred about the Celtics, & Fighting Irish mascots. To another post I read...they are also very disgusted with the whole St. Patrick's Day faire. So...There are definitely people who are offended by these things. Know the difference? They get on with their lives. & by the way...they also love to point out to me the litany of oppression the Irish people have had to endure from England, & the US over the years (see: railroads, early American construction, Gangs of New York). We often like to joke about the amount of oppression our families have been through. Me with my Scottish, Chiricahua, & Russian Jewish background, & my wife's family with their Iris history. We joke about these things, we remember them, observe them...we recognize the injustices, discriminations, & bigotry...& we move on. It's funny...I just made a connection here. As a Jew...we have a perfect parallel here. Jew is a Hebrew term, for us, by us. Over the years...we have been persecuted under that name, villified, & oppressed, & disregarded as a legitimate culture of people unless it's to be a butt of a joke. Yet, nobody makes better Jew jokes than us Jews. Nobody complains less about their injustice than us Jews, & yet...If there happened to be a few ignorant Jews among us with an Axe to grind, you could replicate this exact situation & replace the word "Redskins" with the word "Jew" & we would have an exactly similar scenario. So to answer...If someone says: "will all the Jews line up over here..." we'd all squeamishly look at one another before someone quipped: "the last time we did that, we got herded up like cattle & sent to Nazi death camps....how bad can it be?" We'd all laugh heartily, pick up the loose change on the floor, & tell you we need to speak with our lawyers first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkeyBoy Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 So to answer...If someone says: "will all the Jews line up over here..." Dan Snyder will sue them for being anti-semitic just like he did Washington City Paper But yes I know exactly what you mean. I work in comedy and as someone who is not jewish, it is so much fun & sometimes absolutely shocking to watch my fellow Jewish comics jaw at each other. Nobody does self deprecating humor better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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