Burgold Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 I think this was the first game where the pressure actually got to RGIII a bit. He was nervous in the first quarter, hense the misses. Made some tight throws into coverage that were completed later in the game, but by then it was clear that the running game was working and if it was working and keeping Dallas off the field, then that's what you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJL Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 just trying to think this over, I remember the first drive's dropped pass with Morgan and the one where Garcon dribbled it like a basketball. I also remember the throw away that Carr went for out of bounds. Were their other drops, and other obvious throw aways? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurent Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 There's been quite a few times this year where Washington let teams off the hook after establishing the run in the first half. Glad that didn't happen last night. Washington was gashing the Cowboys on ground and made enough plays in the passing game to keep drives alive. I don't really look at this as a negative, if anything, it will force Seattle to focus on stopping the run possibly giving us more opportunities in the passing game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncr2h Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 just trying to think this over, I remember the first drive's dropped pass with Morgan and the one where Garcon dribbled it like a basketball.I also remember the throw away that Carr went for out of bounds. Were their other drops, and other obvious throw aways? Yeah there were, but I don't think RG3 throwing the ball out of bounds intentionally is a ringing endorsement of our passing game yesterday. What did your eyes tell you? We were absolutely struggling to pose any sort of danger through the air. 2 or 3 intentional throwaways or a dropped pass or 2 don't change that basic fact. It seemed like we only even attempted 1 non-checkdown over the middle all game. What was the reason for that - was it well covered, was RG3 gun shy or off his game, or was it something else? One thing that might explain it is something I read in Keim's notes about the game. Apparently, instead of leaving the outside linebackers unblocked in the running game, we were blocking them in the hopes of obscuring their vision and thus making them commit one way or the other without knowing for certain which way was correct. Maybe, in order to keep our offense from being predictable, we had to keep this extra blocker in on the passing plays in order to give the defense that exact same look. I still don't think it really explains everything but maybe it is something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiverboatGambler Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 I expect Seattle to do a much better job in the pass rush. I also expect their corners to blanket our WRs with press man similar to Dallas but if you play that way you leave massive voids in the middle for guys leaking late from the back field and making catches on short curl and flat routes you also expose yourself to the butler. You cant effectively play the pass, run and QB keeper against this Offense and Rg3 has been great against the blitz this season. And for the people complaining about our passing game, how would you feel if Griff had a 300yards+ day no turnovers and we lost? You take what the defense gives you and we have been doing this for several games now to great effect. Looking at our stats we ran the same number of plays as dallass and had the same number of possession as well i think it was 11 we controlled Time of Possession and didn't turn the ball over which is why we won along with Alfred beasting. The eagles kept Griff in the box and he had a solid day in the air with nothing on the ground. Dallas played the pass very tight and griff had a great day on the ground and did enough in the air. I love what we are doing. Schematically it must give defensive coordinators nightmares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chump Bailey Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Dropped balls obviously don't help matters either in addition to the other contributions already made... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZRagone Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 For the people saying that we consciously chose to run the ball down their throats -Okaaaaay, but that doesn't explain why we looked like crap on the plays where we DIDN'T choose to run it down their throats. Griffin completed mostly slants, WR screens, checkdowns, and short throws to the sideline. Where was the 20 yard post down the middle of the field? That's the staple of our entire offense. You'd think on a day where your runningback is blowing holes through the other team's front 7, that there would be a huge opportunity for big gains in the play action passing game. Why was this not exploited? I'm going to look at the all 22 film and see if it was Griffin or was run that way by design. Easy, it was a mix of two things. Thing one, Griffin's accuracy was a bit off today so a few of this intermediate passes (We didn't really have any long ones) were off target. Thing two, and the far bigger thing, was that Dallas game planned to take the passing game away, especially deep and intermediate game. RG3 in one of his post game interviews mentioned how it may’ve been a bit of a boring game in regards to passing because the defense was largely giving them reads for check downs, quick slants, etc. This was a case of Griffin taking what the Defense was giving him in terms of the Zone/Read (in terms of reading if he should hand off or pull it out to pass) and in terms of him picking his read in the actual passing game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Rob Ryan instructed his Safeties to never bite on the run, even if it cost them in the running game, and it did. The difference in the first game is that after Morris started gashing them the safeties tried to sneak up to help with the run, leaving the cornerbacks on islands, which Garcon/Aldrick/Moss would win their matchups every time. Going against Seattle is going to be a completely tougher task because they have the corners who can play man to man, and allow their safeties to try and help with the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiverboatGambler Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Easy, it was a mix of two things.Thing one, Griffin's accuracy was a bit off today so a few of this intermediate passes (We didn't really have any long ones) were off target. Thing two, and the far bigger thing, was that Dallas game planned to take the passing game away, especially deep and intermediate game. RG3 in one of his post game interviews mentioned how it may’ve been a bit of a boring game in regards to passing because the defense was largely giving them reads for check downs, quick slants, etc. This was a case of Griffin taking what the Defense was giving him in terms of the Zone/Read (in terms of reading if he should hand off or pull it out to pass) and in terms of him picking his read in the actual passing game. I agree with griff's analysis. He is very intelligent with his passing game and wont force them unless he has to. Romo sits to pee likes to play fast and lose and may have cost dallass the game with his taking chances. Take what the defense gives you. ---------- Post added December-31st-2012 at 05:25 AM ---------- I agree with griff's analysis. He is very intelligent with his passing game and wont force them unless he has to. Romo sits to pee likes to play fast and loose and may have cost dallass the game with his taking chances. Take what the defense gives you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chump Bailey Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Going against Seattle is going to be a completely tougher task because they have the corners who can play man to man, and allow their safeties to try and help with the run. Absolutely, not to mention the speed they have up-front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demarc007 Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Rob Ryan instructed his Safeties to never bite on the run, even if it cost them in the running game, and it did. The difference in the first game is that after Morris started gashing them the safeties tried to sneak up to help with the run, leaving the cornerbacks on islands, which Garcon/Aldrick/Moss would win their matchups every time.Going against Seattle is going to be a completely tougher task because they have the corners who can play man to man, and allow their safeties to try and help with the run. It will be interesting our smaller WRs Garcon and Moss matchup with the huge Seattle DBs. I think we can do some damage there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradboyd80 Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Seattle is definitely going to be a much tougher game. They have the best secondary in the league, and their front 7 is fast as well. There will likely be a lot more pressure coming at RG3 against Seattle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErffelWuerffel Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Cowboys started off keying on our pass.Our RB was averaging over 7 yards a run. G3 didn't have a chance to get his rhythm going until the fourth. This. I think half of his incompletions came in the first 2 drives. If the Skins don't go away from the passing game, RG3's passing numbers even out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USS Redskins Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Dallas's gameplan was to stop the deep passing game and let their offense score quickly... Ha!!!!!!! I love seeing that greasy douche bag on the dallas sidelines all pissed off.... The o line deserves the MVP award this year, along with rg, Morris and the d. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolk_Skins Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 So in summary.... We don't have a one dimensional offense and can still beat people when not lighting it up through the air. Damn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Gadsden Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Look man, I'm only like a chapter into "Take Your Eye Off the Ball", so I'm not X's and O's guru...so cut me some slack here lol. But I'm not real worried about it. This was Dallas' second time facing us. They tried to make adjustments to focus on stopping RG3. However, as the point as been made all year: the biggest problem with Washington's offense is not RG3. It is Alfred Morris. Just when you focus everything to stop RG3, Morris hits you in the mouth and makes you pay. That's exactly what happened today. They pretty much successfully slowed down RG3...albeit a less than 100% RG3 but I'll get to that in a second. So when they do that, Morris can not be accounted for. Fortunately for us, Kenny Rogers over there isn't the greatest DC in the world, nor the sharpest tool in the shed...so he says "We'll make Morris beat us". And he did. I don't know if it's just idiocy that made him choose that strategy, or disrespect, but regardless...he's on the couch. Had they taken a more balanced gameplan against us, it's likely the passing game would have been like it has been all year...however Morris has been disrespected by most D's all year. That with the exception of Cleveland...they said "Cousins is going to have to beat us"...and he did. In my opinion, we have the best offense in the league...because it has been absolutely unstoppable. You can focus on one and get burned by the other, or focus on both and get burned by the big play. There are simply not enough defenders on the field to put one on RG3, double team Garcon, double team Moss, and stack the box for Al. Now, I mentioned RG3 not being 100%. Notice I didn't say injured, because we don't really know. However, as someone who has a chronic ACL and meniscus tear, reinjured multiple times, I'm no stranger to knee braces and the like. As you can imagine, the things are not comfortable...and I can't imagine running in one. Until that thing comes off, he's not full speed...no matter how "healthy" he is. The thing could be a precaution for all we know, but regardless, he won't be 100%. That's not to say he's not still RG3, though. Notice last night he still burned them for a few big runs. He still has to be accounted for. For Seattle, I'm not worried. No defense has stopped us all year. It won't happen this week, either. We have to concentrate on stopping Russell Wilson and Lynch...which will be difficult because I'm guessing they have a very similar O to ours, though I haven't seen them play yet. The only thing that bothers me about it is every playoff run I have seen in my lifetime has been stopped by Seattle. We gotta break the streak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskins4ever28 Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 uh, the fact that we had a running game and didn't need to pass the ball. Thats not what it is. I agree with the OP about Griffin not looking sharp like usual. I think it was his knee but I dont know. Either way, another week of rest will do him wonders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAATopDogg Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Dallas took away our pass early in the game and played a lot of press coverage with the corners. Seattle will probably adopt the same principle. If that happens we go to the pistol using 2 TE sets and go Playaction thereby freeing up the open zones underneath for both TE’s and this would open up the run game again and take those safeties out of deep coverage. We need to do this against the Hawks if we are to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Yeah there were, but I don't think RG3 throwing the ball out of bounds intentionally is a ringing endorsement of our passing game yesterday. What did your eyes tell you? We were absolutely struggling to pose any sort of danger through the air. 2 or 3 intentional throwaways or a dropped pass or 2 don't change that basic fact. It seemed like we only even attempted 1 non-checkdown over the middle all game. What was the reason for that - was it well covered, was RG3 gun shy or off his game, or was it something else?One thing that might explain it is something I read in Keim's notes about the game. Apparently, instead of leaving the outside linebackers unblocked in the running game, we were blocking them in the hopes of obscuring their vision and thus making them commit one way or the other without knowing for certain which way was correct. Maybe, in order to keep our offense from being predictable, we had to keep this extra blocker in on the passing plays in order to give the defense that exact same look. I still don't think it really explains everything but maybe it is something. is it that crazy to think maybe RGIII just had a bad game and the injury didn't help? That's all it was. He had a bad game but when you're a good team, your other studs step up chill dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Thats not what it is. I agree with the OP about Griffin not looking sharp like usual. I think it was his knee but I dont know. Either way, another week of rest will do him wonders. Nah I disagree. They were determined not to be beat by us the way they were before (RG3 threw for 4 tds last time). So they were in a cover 2 most of the game trying not to get beat over the top and only had 7 in the box a lot of the game. They didn't start putting 8 in the box til we were up 10 in the 4th and trying to run the clock out. If we needed to I'm sure we could have passed the ball, but why force it if they're giving us (the number one rushing team in the league) the run? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskins4ever28 Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Nah I disagree. They were determined not to be beat by us the way they were before (RG3 threw for 4 tds last time). So they were in a cover 2 most of the game trying not to get beat over the top and only had 7 in the box a lot of the game. They didn't start putting 8 in the box til we were up 10 in the 4th and trying to run the clock out. If we needed to I'm sure we could have passed the ball, but why force it if they're giving us (the number one rushing team in the league) the run? No offense but anyone who thinks Griffin had a good game last night compared to how hes played all year has burgundy colored glasses on. There were 3 or 4 balls that were so poorly thrown I forgot what team I was watching. I remember a couple times saying to my fiance "What is up with Griff, why is he playing so jittery?" He did finally settle down in the 2nd half, but either nerves finally got to him or his leg was hurt. Re-watch that game, the first half Griffin was not himself. Luckily we did run the ball well, but when Griffin was asked to pass, he was not as efficient. That throw to Garcon that got us a first down though was picture perfect, after he threw that I knew we would be ok. But hes a rookie, everyone has a bad game. Honestly, if RG3s bad game is 9/18 100 yards, 0 ints, and 68 rush yards and 1 td, I am more then happy lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinlanta Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Just reaffirming what others have said.....didnt really get into any type of a rhythm, didnt have to.....and I think the cold had an effect on him and the receivers..it was pretty clear there would be no deep balls completed so they only tried it a couple times...I thought he only had about 3 bad throws, overall another pretty damn good performance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 No offense but anyone who thinks Griffin had a good game last night compared to how hes played all year has burgundy colored glasses on. There were 3 or 4 balls that were so poorly thrown I forgot what team I was watching. I remember a couple times saying to my fiance "What is up with Griff, why is he playing so jittery?" He did finally settle down in the 2nd half, but either nerves finally got to him or his leg was hurt. Re-watch that game, the first half Griffin was not himself. Luckily we did run the ball well, but when Griffin was asked to pass, he was not as efficient. That throw to Garcon that got us a first down though was picture perfect, after he threw that I knew we would be ok. But hes a rookie, everyone has a bad game. Honestly, if RG3s bad game is 9/18 100 yards, 0 ints, and 68 rush yards and 1 td, I am more then happy lol. Yeah he def had a bad game. I think ppl are reading too much into it though. He let the nerves get to him in the first and his passes sucked as a result but our running was so good that we didn't need to keep trying to pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demarc007 Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 No offense but anyone who thinks Griffin had a good game last night compared to how hes played all year has burgundy colored glasses on. There were 3 or 4 balls that were so poorly thrown I forgot what team I was watching. I remember a couple times saying to my fiance "What is up with Griff, why is he playing so jittery?" He did finally settle down in the 2nd half, but either nerves finally got to him or his leg was hurt. Re-watch that game, the first half Griffin was not himself. Luckily we did run the ball well, but when Griffin was asked to pass, he was not as efficient. That throw to Garcon that got us a first down though was picture perfect, after he threw that I knew we would be ok. But hes a rookie, everyone has a bad game. Honestly, if RG3s bad game is 9/18 100 yards, 0 ints, and 68 rush yards and 1 td, I am more then happy lol. He did have nerves at first, but more importantly his leg is not right. He clearly is throwing all arm. He's not able to drive off that back leg like normal and your base is everything when you're trying to be accurate. RG3 is all guts and determination right now, not even close to 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbrn2007 Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 the gameplan should have been run run run and it was. Dallas was not gonna allow anything deep down the field. They sacrificed on the run and Alfred and the running game made them pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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