The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 So....figured I bring this debate to the tailgate where we have plenty of knowledgeable people. What is the ancestry of the Moors from the areas of North Africa like Morocco? From my classes I've taken, it was always clear to me that they were of Berber descent (meaning they were lighter skinned Mediterranean people like Greeks/Sicilians). Others have stated that the Moors were Black and the Arabs kicked them out and took the land from them. They claim that Tarik ibn Zeyad, who led the Moors into Spain in 711, was not a Berber, but of African descent from the Arabian Peninsula. Hopefully Redskins4ever can come in here and add his insight on the topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sir Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goskinz0721 Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Nooooo...Not the Moors its the Moops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Evidence that Tarik ibn Zeyad was going to make it after all in North Africa came when he took as a bride Mary Tyler Moor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Nooooo...Not the Moors its the Moops damn it, I was hoping nobody made that reference yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted October 20, 2011 Author Share Posted October 20, 2011 Evidence that Tarik ibn Zeyad was going to make it after all in North Africa came when he took as a bride Mary Tyler Moor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticksboi05 Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Sorry, it's MOOPS. The answer is MOOPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slacky McSlackAss Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Only took 1 post for the Seinfeld reference. Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostofSparta Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 So....figured I bring this debate to the tailgate where we have plenty of knowledgeable people.What is the ancestry of the Moors from the areas of North Africa like Morocco? From my classes I've taken, it was always clear to me that they were of Berber descent (meaning they were lighter skinned Mediterranean people like Greeks/Sicilians). Others have stated that the Moors were Black and the Arabs kicked them out and took the land from them. They claim that Tarik ibn Zeyad, who led the Moors into Spain in 711, was not a Berber, but of African descent from the Arabian Peninsula. Hopefully Redskins4ever can come in here and add his insight on the topic. According to Wikipedia (which is never wrong) the answer is: all of the above: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors The description Moors has referred to several historic and modern populations of Berber, Black African and Arab descent from Northern Africa, who came to conquer, occupy and rule the Iberian Peninsula for nearly 800 years. Although most of the time "Moor" has referred to the Islamic Berbers that conquered Spain and Portugal around 700. I now return you to your Seinfeld frivolity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticksboi05 Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 The fact that that episode aired 15 years ago and is still relevant proves our conversation is not frivolous That's not Moops you jerk, it's Moors, it's a misprint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HogNose Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 So....figured I bring this debate to the tailgate where we have plenty of knowledgeable people.What is the ancestry of the Moors from the areas of North Africa like Morocco? I did a little searching and found this on the Moops.... Essentially, the Moors were a mix of Caucasian Berbers and Arabs with some black Berber tribes like the Tuareg. The Spanish records list which tribes were black, and what land was given to each tribe as a reward. It also records the fighting after the conquest, as the Arabs were given all the best land, and they gave the Berbers the less fertile hills and mountainous area.http://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/who-the-moors-really-were/ The fact that that episode aired 15 years ago and is still relevant proves our conversation is not frivolous That's not Moops you jerk, it's Moors, it's a misprint. Yep. That shows you how influential good writing/television can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted October 20, 2011 Author Share Posted October 20, 2011 According to Wikipedia (which is never wrong) the answer is: all of the above: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MoorsAlthough most of the time "Moor" has referred to the Islamic Berbers that conquered Spain and Portugal around 700.. According to my debate counterpart, Redskins4ever, that's not true. The Moors were black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Somebody has never seen True Romance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted October 20, 2011 Author Share Posted October 20, 2011 I did a little searching and found this on the Moops..... That cant be right.....those damn Eurocentrists lied :pfft: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcunning15 Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Somebody has never seen True Romance. I was waiting for that reference as well. From this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Your great great grandmother was humping a .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacase Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Here is a Moor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh8686 Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Shoot I'm half Moroccan and I don't even know exactly what a moor is, I just know I'm a mix of arab, black, and white... which somehow kinda makes me look spanish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wiggles Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Eggplants and Cantaloupes. kXjcf47y-zk&feature=related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 BTW, that "Why I Hate Michael Vick" thread that spawned this one was a spectacular train wreck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted October 20, 2011 Author Share Posted October 20, 2011 BTW, that "Why I Hate Michael Vick" thread that spawned this one was a spectacular train wreck. I know....I just wish you could see the PMs I got which spawned this thread....too bad he wont post his thoughts here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted October 21, 2011 Author Share Posted October 21, 2011 **** it - enjoy: The Moors were a race of people who ruled Spain from 711 to 1492. After they lost Spain and were pushed back into Morocco, the slave trade began to take place. If you know geography, then you know that the southern tip of Spain is just above Morocco. George Washington took the Nationality of the Moors away from them in 1774 at Independence Hall in Philadelphia and dubbed them negro, black, and colored people so 280 years later, people of Moorish descent do know know their history, the history of their forefathers, or their divine creed because it was stripped from them during slavery. The first batch of slaves that came from west Africa came from Morocco. Morocco is in West Africa, not North Africa like you stated.The berber that occupies Morocco today wasn't there 500-600 or even a thousand years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubbs Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Where the hell is that from? George Washington "took their nationality away" all around the world? And he did it a year before the Revolution even happened, when he assumed an executive role in relation to a portion of all 13 colonies (their armies)? Man, that George Washington was a world-rulin', time-travelin' dude, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted October 21, 2011 Author Share Posted October 21, 2011 Where the hell is that from? George Washington "took their nationality away" all around the world? And he did it a year before the Revolution even happened, when he assumed an executive role in relation to a portion of all 13 colonies (their armies)? Man, that George Washington was a world-rulin', time-travelin' dude, huh? I asked the same question....this was the response: George Washington was a Grand Mason and a racist slave owner who convened at the Odd Fellows Convention. The popular name of this convention according to European history books became known as the First Continental Congress, and George Washington was elected chairman of this this convention. In Masonic terms, he was elected as Grand Master.The two main issues, which were discussed, and debated was (1) how were the 13 colonies going to form a united front against King George III of England. (2) How were the 13 colonies going to justify the institution of perpetual slavery of the Moorish inhabitants and population whom were renamed by the European Nations negro, black, and colored people, cutting the so-called Black people off from the illustrious history of their forefathers. This happened on September 5, 1774, long before Washington was elected President. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubbs Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 :ols: :ols: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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