What do our offseason moves say about Malcolm Kelly prospects/hope?

[kiingspadee]

The Comb will finally be a player that steps up - if not and he is injured or just does nothing I will officially say I was wrong about this kid and he was a bust. I was a HUGE supporter of MK before and after the draft and now I am saying it right here right now - Malcolm......if you let me down this year......I give up on you

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?239094-Malcolm-Kelly-and-other-1st-round-players

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?288767-Malcolm-Kelly-did-NOT-have-a-Microfracture-Surgery

I've made a post about this already too. I WANT MALCOLM KELLY!!!!! This guy is a stud from http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?239608-Malcolm-Kelly

See there Comb......I mean it.

[sportjunkie07]

im seeing, in order of importance:

moss

hankerson

armstrong

gaffney

banks

kelly

paul

austin

stallworth

aldrickson

i dont think the Comb will remain, i really think he will get hurt again. i dont think anyone knows what happened with Banks, but despite his awesome play last year, im getting bad vibes about his attitude. one issue with shannahan and he's gone. i was hoping to trade him this year..

[hunterx]

The trade for Gaffney worries me on Kelly.

On the face of it, presuming we carry 5 wide outs, your looking at Moss, Gaffney, Armstrong, Hankerson and Banks as the ones to make the active roster. All of which would leave Malcolm, hopefully finally over his injury problems and ready to show just why many thought he was the best receiver in his class in '08's draft, out in the cold. And out of the door as he can't go on the practice squad.

The Gaffney trade was nonsensical on a lot of levels for me. But if it ends up costing us a second young player out of it, it'll just be ******* ridiculous.

Hail.

Banks isn't a given to make this team at all. He was a return specialist last year, and we drafted a few of those this year. Not to mention, the theory is that there won't be as many Kickoff Returns with the ball being moved up 5 yards. This lowers his stock dramatically. This kid is a good returner, but he is far from an adequate receiver.

The reason we have over 12 Wide Receivers is because that position is one which most frequently gets soft tissue injuries in groins and hamstrings, and the numbers allow for insurance and to not over stress them.

As for the 5th and 6th spots, you're looking at Niles Paul, Dante Stallworth, Malcolm Kelly and don't forget Terrance Austin. Everyone else is training camp fodder or Practice Squad when it comes to Aldrick Robinson.

[MdMack21]

Moss

AAA

HankTime85

Gaffney

Stallworth

Kelly (IF healthy) (Coach kept him around for a reason)

Practice Squad

Niles Paul

Robinson

Banks is not going to make this team in my opinion. He is too small to be a legit WR and his skills on special teams have been hurt by the new rules. We also brought in a few guys who can play in the return game.

[Hubbs]

I'm rooting for him if for no other reason than the fact that if he bursts onto the scene and has a big season, I have no doubt that "The Comb" will spread as a nickname because literally thousands of ES members are familiar with it, and we'll all get to enjoy the DC sports media try to figure out what the hell a comb has to do with Malcolm Kelly.

[justice98]

If I had to guess, I think:

In:

Santana Moss

Anthony Armstrong

Leonard Hankerson

Probable:

Jabar Gaffney

Questionable:

Niles Paul

Dante Stallworth

Brandon Banks

Doubtful:

Malcolm Kelly

Terrence Austin

Aldrick Robinson

That said, Shanny doesn't seem to give a **** where you were drafted or what you make. He's going to keep the best guys on the roster. So, we're probably in for some surprises.

I would agree with this your assessment. Recent events, draft picks, and Kelly's inability to play special teams have now made him a longshot. But my guess is he sticks around as long as possible, like to the final cut assuming he stays healthy all camp. The second he gets hurt, he's done.

[iMeast]

I think Malcolm Kelly hasn't done enough for us to even be having this conversation.

Here, here ...

HTTR

[sportjunkie07]

Banks is not going to make this team in my opinion. He is too small to be a legit WR and his skills on special teams have been hurt by the new rules. We also brought in a few guys who can play in the return game.

i dont buy the whole "new rules greatly drops Banks value." yeah, he might not get as many chances, but neither will other team's returners. that means the value of a good return, which Banks is very good at, goes up even more. additionally, i noticed that banks' better returns were when he took it out of the end zone and had time for his blocks to setup.

[THE HAMMER'IN HOG]

Why did we trade for gaffney is the question? How many WR's do we need? We draft 3 WR's, we already have 4 WR's on the roster with experience and were bringing in Gaffney? We never change, we have no concept as a team no matter who's running things on how to deal with personel, either commit to the youngsters or don't bother drafting them! So glad we used a supplemental pick on Jarmon, we just love to repeat failure! Another mediocre WR, super bowl here we come.

[s0crates]

i dont buy the whole "new rules greatly drops Banks value." yeah, he might not get as many chances, but neither will other team's returners. that means the value of a good return, which Banks is very good at, goes up even more. additionally, i noticed that banks' better returns were when he took it out of the end zone and had time for his blocks to setup.

I'm with you on this.

During conditioning drills today, Banks was easily the fastest guy on the field. Banks' speed is a real weapon.

The spark he provides on special teams is worth a roster spot in my opinion, even with the rule changes. The competition at WR is steep, but I think Banks has a good shot. He contributed a lot last year.

---------- Post added July-30th-2011 at 04:43 AM ----------

Why did we trade for gaffney is the question? How many WR's do we need? We draft 3 WR's' date=' we already have 4 WR's on the roster with experience and were bringing in Gaffney? We never change, we have no concept as a team no matter who's running things on how to deal with personel, either commit to the youngsters or don't bother drafting them! So glad we used a supplemental pick on Jarmon, we just love to repeat failure! Another mediocre WR, super bowl here we come.[/quote']

In my mind, this is all about the competition in camp. You put a dozen WRs out there, rookies and vets, guys with potential and guys with experience. You let them compete, you make evaluations, and the best 5-6 make the team.

If Kelly and the rooks are better than Gaffney, they have to go out and prove it in camp. If not, give Gaffney the job.

[NoCalMike]

Brandon Banks reminds me of Antonio Brown from 2005. The dude would catch lightning in a bottle on a rare occasion and get a good return, but it wasn't often enough to make up for the fact that he did little else for the team at all.

In the end, if it comes down to a roster spot, and now, like Kyle Shanahan said, he feels there is real competition at WR spot, I think unless Banks can show the coaches something besides speed, he is as good as gone.

in 2010, we all laughed when Joey Galloway was signed during offseason, but then we cried when he actually made the team. It was a sign that there was little to no depth on this roster last year. We saw how entirely unproductive the WR core was as a whole, but they had to get playing time cause they were all we had.

Moss is clearly the #1 on this team. Beyond that it is cloudy. I'd like to think Armstrong is a strong #3 right now, who can maybe work his way higher, but we have no idea if Armstrong's 2010 production was due to there really being no one else around to compete. I am rooting for the guy, I am pretty certain he makes the team but we never know.

Just remember, we have actual coaches here now, so I will trust in them to evaluate.

[Chump Bailey]

I think Kelly's talent is obvious. Even the scant few opportunities he's had I think he's shown he can play. He has the best hands out of every WR we have put together. There's not a chance in hell he would still be around if the coaches felt he was of no value. If he earns a spot, I think Kelly will open some eyes.

[CommanderDOOM]

If I had to guess, I think:

In:

Santana Moss

Anthony Armstrong

Leonard Hankerson

Probable:

Jabar Gaffney

Questionable:

Niles Paul

Dante Stallworth

Brandon Banks

Doubtful:

Malcolm Kelly

Terrence Austin

Aldrick Robinson

That said, Shanny doesn't seem to give a **** where you were drafted or what you make. He's going to keep the best guys on the roster. So, we're probably in for some surprises.

Austin and Banks didn't initially make the team last year, remember??

[Highway66]

banks is a lock! next question

[jfr3ek]

Kelly will be gone. Id rather have Austin. he had a promising season last year.

[Bobbyst21]

Malcolm who?

Oh you mean the guy who fills our IR roster....gotcha.

[NoCalMike]

When a coaching staff & GM have real competition at training camp in can change things drastically.

Rod Gardner is a good example. While Gardner was never spectacular, you can't say he wasn't productive. Did he drop balls? Yep. Too many? Yep. But at the same time he was a solid #2 WR and I believe either had or was very close to being a 1000 yd receiver as a rookie.

Once he was cut from the 'Skins and went to the Panthers it was predicted he would be a big help for that team, he had an unspectacular season and then was gone from the league pretty soon after.

Sometimes a team who has no depth is forced to put certain players on the field because that is the best of a bad bunch. They might produce under the given circumstances, but as soon as better talent shows up into camp their short-comings start to become glaring.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

I find it impossible to imagine that we traded for Gafney just to cut him.

The issue that we are going to run into with WR is the issue we always run into at WR and RB:

Who plays special teams?

[TD_washingtonredskins]

banks is a lock! next question

Why? What if one of our draft picks demonstrates the ability to return kicks and contribute to the passing game?

[Laxpunk2006]

I find it impossible to imagine that we traded for Gafney just to cut him.

The issue that we are going to run into with WR is the issue we always run into at WR and RB:

Who plays special teams?

All we gave up was a player that it seems wasn't going to make the team anyway. I would assume Jarmon didn't have much value around the league and most teams assumed we'd end up cutting him. By no means does that guaruntee Gaffney a roster spot. That being said I still think he ends up making it because he can play special teams. Outside of return ability Niles Paul is the only WR on the team I could see playing kick coverage.

[ds1001]

What was that all about?

---------- Post added July-29th-2011 at 10:57 PM ----------

What was that all about?

basically it was an altercation which left banks in the hospital for a lot longer than it should have. i believe that he got a knife wound on the arm but was in the hospital for a pretty good amount of time.

[repo_4]

It seems alot of people, understandably, are not too high on MK. I think he has the ability to be a stud if he can stay healthy. I keep my fingers crossed that he can keep his toothpick legs in one piece long enough to show it. If not, just another in a LONG line of disappointments...

---------- Post added July-30th-2011 at 08:36 PM ----------

It seems alot of people, understandably, are not too high on MK. I think he has the ability to be a stud if he can stay healthy. I keep my fingers crossed that he can keep his toothpick legs in one piece long enough to show it. If not, just another in a LONG line of disappointments...

[VaK9Trainer]

Imagine if you will that Malcolm Kelly makes the team. BIG, STRONG receiver with great hands. Pair that with Hankerson who is much the same way and you can really create some mismatches when you get into those jump ball situations down near the goal line. Throw in a Fred Davis or Cooley. That excites me!!

[Taylor21_INT_4_TD]

I dont even consider banks a wr becuase he is just a return specialist. i mean hopefully he can be used in some packages but overall if kelly is healthy he is the better wr based off skill set.. atleast i think

[mi6]

I think our starting WRs are going to be ....

1/ Santana Moss

2/ Anthony Armstrong

3/ Leonard Hankerson

4/ Niles Paul

5/ Jabbar Gaffney

For KR/PR would be the guy we drafted (because he has size, and can also play WR), and Dante Stallworth.

Unfortunately, as much as I like Brandon Banks ... I think he is a gonner. He wasn't the same after his injury last season. His size is gonna be a concern, because it makes him that much more injury prone.

Then again, with Philly, Dallas, and NY having physical DBs, we need size, and speed.

I don't see Terrence Austin, Brandon Stokley (not sure if he signed), and Malcom Kelley being cut. Malcom got a free ride for 3 years, and a good paycheck for doing NOTHING!