GibbsFactor Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Orakpo needs to learn how to use his hands and incorporate a spin move. His speed bullrush is usually ineffective and isn't getting holding calls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botched Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Congrats to Orakpo, but this "Pro Bowl by default" thing is kind of a joke. It's supposed to be for the best players, not the best players who aren't injured or playing in their conference championship game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 All in all, the Pro Bowl should end. The fact that Super Bowl players can't play in it is ridiculous. The fact that no one watches it is ridiculous. Unlike baseball or basketball where the all star game can be fun (run and gun, etc.) and take place during the season, football's is just a boring, straight-ahead game. They'd be better off naming all-stars and not playing a game. I apologize that this has nothing to do with Orakpo...it's very impressive that he's made in for 2 straight years. yeah, it's two different topics of discussion: Orakpo's early success and the validity of the Pro Bowl. I don't think they should do away with the game, but I do think they should overhaul the entire shibang...not sure exactly how, though lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 yeah, it's two different topics of discussion: Orakpo's early success and the validity of the Pro Bowl. I don't think they should do away with the game, but I do think they should overhaul the entire shibang...not sure exactly how, though lol. The problem is they use these Pro-Bowl apparences for HOF credentials. Now you are going to have many more pro-bowlers every year than in years past. You are going to have so many players that have 5 or more pro bowls on their resume when they were the 5th or 6th best at their position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 yeah, it's two different topics of discussion: Orakpo's early success and the validity of the Pro Bowl. I don't think they should do away with the game, but I do think they should overhaul the entire shibang...not sure exactly how, though lol. Football is just unique in that you can't really play it half-speed or for fun. OL and DL have to collide on every play, you have to tackle, etc. In baseball, it can become a hitting display. In basketball, you can just not play D and give the fans a show. I guess you can do something similar in football, but then you're hanging specific players out to dry since they don't play both ways...it just doesn't translate well to an all-star game in my opinion. I'd just rather they pick conference all-stars and all-pros and leave it at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Orakpo needs to learn how to use his hands and incorporate a spin move. His speed bullrush is usually ineffective and isn't getting holding calls. Really agree with this. He is an excellent pass rusher right now just by using his strength and quickness. If he could incorporate better hand placement, more moves and counter moves he would be borderline unstoppable. Hopefully its something he works on this offseason. It just seems too easy to hold him and neutralize him that way (every OT gets away with holds sometimes); much of the time the difference between a guy who can get away from those holds or attempts at holds and a guy who can't is hand work and knowing counters to what the guy is trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Congrats to Orakpo, but this "Pro Bowl by default" thing is kind of a joke. It's supposed to be for the best players, not the best players who aren't injured or playing in their conference championship game. So how many OLB should a Pro Bowl roster carry? ---------- Post added January-18th-2011 at 09:43 AM ---------- The problem is they use these Pro-Bowl apparences for HOF credentials. Now you are going to have many more pro-bowlers every year than in years past. You are going to have so many players that have 5 or more pro bowls on their resume when they were the 5th or 6th best at their position. It's up to the sportswriters who vote for HOF inductees to be knowledgeable enough to know if a player's Pro Bowl nods were as starter or as an alternate, though. If they can't know that then they shouldn't be voting to begin with, imo. It's also up to them to be knowledgeable of how the Pro Bowl selection and game have evolved over time and take that evolution into account. They already claim to do that with the evolution of the league to a pass-friendly game and take that into consideration when looking at a WR's stats, for example. No reason they can't do the same with the Pro Bowl nods. Football is just unique in that you can't really play it half-speed or for fun. OL and DL have to collide on every play, you have to tackle, etc. In baseball, it can become a hitting display. In basketball, you can just not play D and give the fans a show. I guess you can do something similar in football, but then you're hanging specific players out to dry since they don't play both ways...it just doesn't translate well to an all-star game in my opinion. I'd just rather they pick conference all-stars and all-pros and leave it at that. Is blitzing allowed in the Pro Bowl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Is blitzing allowed in the Pro Bowl? Pretty sure that is a negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Is blitzing allowed in the Pro Bowl? I don't think so...I think defenses have to just rush 4 and be very careful with the QBs. Like I said, I don't believe you can really make rules around it...football is just a very violent game that doesn't translate well to half-speed in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpskins10 Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Congrats, Rak! Make sure to get in on your own next year when you have 23 sacks. That being said: Fletcher, I love you, but I can't bring myself to root for Chicago. Hopefully Urlacher becomes whiny after losing and takes himself out of the Pro Bowl and you can go anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsCrushCowboys Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Pretty sure that is a negative. great, then it should not be that big of an adjustment for him from the regular season...props to him regardless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audible_Red40 Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Pro bowl is stupid. Congrats to Rak anyhow. But now have fun being in coverage for a silly exhibition playoff game. He get voted, albeit as an alternate, because he gets after the QB, well his job will change for this lame game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingGibbs Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Deserved or not I'm happy for him. I do however agree that the Pro Bowl is completely watered down now. Being an alternate just doesn't have the same meaning as being voted outright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfWashington Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 If Chicago beats Green Bay, Fletcher also gets to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGI Jef Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 even if Orakpo didnt initially understand the significance of this, i'm sure his agent did. good for Rak, though. as people have mentioned, if guys knew they couldnt hold him he probably would have had 12+ sacks and gone anyway. i would also like to think that he was an alternate b/c of his play. better him go than an average player who is voted in as part of a "cowboys ticket." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzSkinsFan63 Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Most held player in all of football! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Its a joke that if Chicago goes to the SB, the last-ranked (almost?) defense in the league will have 3 players in the Pro Bowl. I'm of the opinion that judging a defense by yards allowed isn't the best way, but still....that would be a joke. Congrats either way, Orakpo. I know you'll be getting in on your own merits in the future, once this defense gets more players that fit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perky72 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Neither do I. But I'll take it.If only he could learn a few new moves. He could make it a habit of going to the Pro-Bowl....but as a starter. Or if only our defense could switch to a scheme that enhanced rushers like Orakpo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustAfan47 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Number of holds not accounted for. I am glad he is recognized for his play, he deserves it. Tru to that... It seems like every play he would get some kind of hold on him that the ref's just didn't seem to have seen!... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Its a joke that if Chicago goes to the SB, the last-ranked (almost?) defense in the league will have 3 players in the Pro Bowl.I'm of the opinion that judging a defense by yards allowed isn't the best way, but still....that would be a joke. Congrats either way, Orakpo. I know you'll be getting in on your own merits in the future, once this defense gets more players that fit it. There's 8 other players on the field along with Orakpo, Fletch, and Hall. Those 3 can only do so much on their own. Probowl is for individual players, not entire units. Is there anything about their individual stats which sows they don't deserve the Probowl (keeping in mind Orakpo and Fletcher are alternates). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tris Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 There's 8 other players on the field along with Orakpo, Fletch, and Hall. Those 3 can only do so much on their own. Probowl is for individual players, not entire units. Is there anything about their individual stats which sows they don't deserve the Probowl (keeping in mind Orakpo and Fletcher are alternates). I have never seen such an appropriate summation of the past decade of Redskins. Handful of Pro Bowlers, but with little resources spent on the surrounding cast, little to show for those big names on the team level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenegadeTK Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Great for Rak. you can tell by his demeanor on the field and the side line that he is a guy that loves to compete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaRonDontLikeUgly Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 this place is pretty unbelievable sometimes.... our 24 year old STAR and future LEADER of the team has just made his 2nd ProBowl in two years and some of you sadclowns want to use the opportunity to ***** about the validity his accomplishments or the game itself? get a ****ing life the game itself has always been a joke, but a long and successful career can often times be measured by Pro Bowl appearances.... as of right now, we have a young guy who could easily go down in history as one of the most dominant pass-rushers of all-time. If you think about it, Bruce Smith had 200 sacks during a 19 year career... Orakpo is technically on that same pace... so all you gloomy, cave-dwelling, mongers of hate need to rip the bong, pop in the 'ol billy madison vhs, and chill the fuggout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirt Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Geez, what's up with some of you finding a way to bash this??? I know this team is frustrating, but come on. You want young, growing talent? You got it, his name is Brian freaking Orakpo, and he's 2 for 2 on Pro Bowls. And that's all there is to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 When was the last time, if ever, we've had a player go to the pro bowl in each of his first 2 seasons in the league? That's pretty impressive. Lavar is the closest I can think of. I don't think he made it as a rookie, but I know he made it three of his first four years. Champ Bailey also missed it his rookie year but then made it for the next seven straight seasons. Samuels also missed it his rookie season but made it the next two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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