Spear Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 this place is pretty unbelievable sometimes.... our 24 year old STAR and future LEADER of the team has just made his 2nd ProBowl in two years and some of you sadclowns want to use the opportunity to ***** about the validity his accomplishments or the game itself? get a ****ing lifethe game itself has always been a joke, but a long and successful career can often times be measured by Pro Bowl appearances.... as of right now, we have a young guy who could easily go down in history as one of the most dominant pass-rushers of all-time. If you think about it, Bruce Smith had 200 sacks during a 19 year career... Orakpo is technically on that same pace... so all you gloomy, cave-dwelling, mongers of hate need to rip the bong, pop in the 'ol billy madison vhs, and chill the fuggout. Are you his agent?He's good, but he's not that good. He's pretty invisible as a linebacker and his sack numbers are down from a year ago, despite more opportunities. If you're going to linearly project statistics over a 20 year career, why not include that 22% year-over-year decline in your calculations? Wouldn't that be ~49 sacks over a 20 year career? After 16, they start rounding to 0. We're all hoping Orakpo becomes a star player, it's just that some of us don't see it as a sure-thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bifflog Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Stop the presses, Orakpo declared "not that good" by Spear. Maybe we can ship him for a 5th? Kill me now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 There's 8 other players on the field along with Orakpo, Fletch, and Hall. Those 3 can only do so much on their own. Probowl is for individual players, not entire units. Is there anything about their individual stats which sows they don't deserve the Probowl (keeping in mind Orakpo and Fletcher are alternates). Oh, not at all. I was really speaking to the irony of that, if it happens. But just on principle, I don't think that "alternates" should even be allowed. But that goes right back to me believing that it shouldn't be a game, but just an "all-pro" list. That way, it doesn't matter if a player's team makes the conference championship or the SB. They are still the only ones being honored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Oh, not at all. I was really speaking to the irony of that, if it happens.But just on principle, I don't think that "alternates" should even be allowed. But that goes right back to me believing that it shouldn't be a game, but just an "all-pro" list. That way, it doesn't matter if a player's team makes the conference championship or the SB. They are still the only ones being honored. I'd agree with this. It's gotten to the point now where guys just outright refuse to play in the Pro Bowl, (for whatever reason) resulting in a bunch of third alternates being thrown out there. The game itself is a joke anyway, seeing as how players pretty much just lovetap each other for 60 minutes. Do it sort of like college football, with a list of players, three deep at every position, minus special teams. With that being said, I am still happy for Rak, and hope that he gets back to double digit form next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 I see a lot of people on here giving Orakpo crap about not deserving to make it. Who, pray tell, in the NFC deserves to make it over him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icbmayday Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 The guy is a stud and will only get better. Haslett needs to put him in position to make plays like Clay in Greenbay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tris Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 The guy is a stud and will only get better. Haslett needs to put him in position to make plays like Clay in Greenbay He is in the exact same position as Matthews in GB. Unfortunately, Matthews is a far better all around player, and also benefits from a far better defensive line. I love that he has made the second straight pro bowl, but Orakpo need to go to Clay Matthews school this summer, and work on getting low and angular around tackles like Matthew, work on some pass rushing moves, and change up his technique to avoid being held to become a dominate defensive player - and the Redskins need to draft a solid 5-tech to help out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TE#80 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Did any of you actually bother to watch the pro bowl last year??? It was the first pro bowl that was actually worth watching. Aaron Rodgers put on a clinic, touchdowns and big plays were happening throughout the entire game. The headsets worn by coaches and players provided insight into the operations and terminology of a true nfl game. When else is this level of covergage in an NFL game possible? If your a fan of dominating Defensive line play this is not the game for you, but lets be honest if it's not the redskins playing who cares about good defense? In other news I think there should be some kind of denotation indicating if the player was an alternate for the probowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 but lets be honest if it's not the redskins playing who cares about good defense? Uhh...I do, always. I enjoy watching the Steelers, Ravens, Jets, and Green Bay defenses more than watching ours, even when it was technically good...the exception is when Sean Taylor was playing. And this is purely the football fan in me talking...I'd rather watch my Skins every day of the week. But I absolutely care about watching good defenses when watching other games...otherwise, why not just watch Arena Football, or watch replays of the 2007 Pats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSkins Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 The real question is what will Rak do once he gets there? (No blitzing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justice98 Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Oh, not at all. I was really speaking to the irony of that, if it happens.But just on principle, I don't think that "alternates" should even be allowed. But that goes right back to me believing that it shouldn't be a game, but just an "all-pro" list. That way, it doesn't matter if a player's team makes the conference championship or the SB. They are still the only ones being honored. Goddell has no problem getting rid of 2 preseason games because under the notion that the preseason is bad football the fans don't care for, but wouldn't the same thing apply to the Pro Bowl which is much of the same, albeit with bigger names. They should just have a big Pro Bowl gala the week before the Super Bowl, and trot out the All-Pros, give out the postseason awards, and all that stuff. You could televise it, have some celebrity host, turn it into an NFL version of the ESPYs. ---------- Post added January-21st-2011 at 11:52 AM ---------- Did any of you actually bother to watch the pro bowl last year??? It was the first pro bowl that was actually worth watching. Aaron Rodgers put on a clinic, touchdowns and big plays were happening throughout the entire game. The headsets worn by coaches and players provided insight into the operations and terminology of a true nfl game. When else is this level of covergage in an NFL game possible? If your a fan of dominating Defensive line play this is not the game for you, but lets be honest if it's not the redskins playing who cares about good defense? In other news I think there should be some kind of denotation indicating if the player was an alternate for the probowl. There's so many limitations on the Pro Bowl game, it's ridiculous. It's like watching some other league. No motion, no blitzing, basic plays, can't rush punts or FGs, no grounding, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailToTheRedskins14 Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Glad Orakpo got in but remember this next time you're using Pro Bowl appearances in a debate. He only made it because the two better players were busy in the paloffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaRonDontLikeUgly Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Are you his agent?He's good, but he's not that good. He's pretty invisible as a linebacker and his sack numbers are down from a year ago, despite more opportunities. If you're going to linearly project statistics over a 20 year career, why not include that 22% year-over-year decline in your calculations? Wouldn't that be ~49 sacks over a 20 year career? After 16, they start rounding to 0. We're all hoping Orakpo becomes a star player, it's just that some of us don't see it as a sure-thing. No, I am just a fan who recognizes 'special players' when he sees one. Orakpo is a man of high-character who is willing to work hard and accept his role as a leader- even early on in his career. He has now played in two very different defensive schemes over the past 2 seasons while attempting to adjust to NFL-life in general. It's not easy task, and even in his 'sophomore slump' that some of you seem to be alluding to- he still makes the Pro Bowl while being a player that every team in the NFL has to game-plan around. None of those numbers you threw out there made any sense to me. My honest opinion is that if Orakpo is somehow able to play in the NFL for 20 years, he will easily approach- if not shatter- Bruce Smith's sack record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 why would it not be deserved? He was third in the NFC at the OLB position in sacks, with Matthews and Ware ahead of him. I think his first alternate position was well earned. Hopefully Fletcher can get a little help from the bears and get his second consecutive nod. we can look at numbers and slots etc. and argue all day long about "who's in" and "who's out" ... but the bottom line is that he was rated in the top 5 at his position this year, and that's good enough to get him the game. It sure beats waiting till after the SB to see if another player is injured or decides not to go.This is deserving IMO, it's the system we got and he gets the nod. Congrats to Orakpo, hopefully next year you can break some of those choke holds and get a few more sacks and fumbles. Personally, I'd love to see Fletcher get in there somehow as well. Let's give a little credit where it is due, please. These guys are good players and play at a level above their peers. HAIL to the redskins. when was the last time we've had a rookie record a total of 20 sacks in his first 2 years? ummm, Dexter maybe? Great post, and I agree 100 percent. Orakpo had 4x the sacks that Briggs had, much of the Pro-Bowl is a popularity contest, see London Fletcher. I think Orakpo deserved a Pro Bowl nod. I think Briggs got the nod over him due to inertia; it always seems that once you make the Pro Bowl three to four times you get in every year afterward almost automatically. I see a lot of people on here giving Orakpo crap about not deserving to make it. Who, pray tell, in the NFC deserves to make it over him? The problem is Orakpo is a very one dimensional player. I think he's got a lot of talent and he's going to be a very good player for us, but he's extremely raw as an OUTSIDE LINEBACKER. The position isn't called "pass rush specialist". As a whole, as an outside linebacker he is at the moment an average player with a ton of room to grow and be great. But he's certainly not at that level. His pass rush ability is very good, though. Anyways, I like Rak. Congrats to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cphil006 Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 not sure its deserved agree... he's not great in open space doesn't move well when he goes in multiple directions like DeMarcus Ware. He is very good at simply pass-rushing... Sacks were good, but our defense was horrible. While he had a decent number of sacks, tackles... If you look at film, he missed plays he should have made, he doesn't cover sideline-to-sideline. He plays very stiff. Don't get me wrong, I do like him, I just don't think he's better than Clay Matthews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vicrodjr Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Congrats to Rak! He busted his butt this season, glad to see him get his due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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