@DCGoldPants Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 If Wall comes back and plays well enough that somebody else would want him......that probably means we'd want to keep him. Beal is the only tradeable piece right now. Maybe it happens during the season if they are really bad and Ted finally realizes "All-In for 8th Seed" isn't happening. Right now I think he still really believes it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted July 3, 2019 Author Share Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Renegade7 said: "For next season" is not the rebuild this team needs. And not clarifying what's going on with the front office makes me question whatever their plan actually is. As a fan the plan looks like trying to get out the luxury tax, I want to hear why they let Sato go if they were planning for a quick turnaround. Did they "let" Sato go or did he want to leave? Let's assume John reclaims his starting spot, do you want to pay 10m per year to his back up? Edited July 3, 2019 by BRAVEONAWARPATH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, BRAVEONAWARPATH said: Did they "let" Sato go or did he want to leave? Let's assume John reclaims his starting spot, do you want to pay 10m per year to his back up? I understand letting him go because of the cap situation. I'd feel better about it they hadn't replaced him with inefficient guards that can't play defense. I was hoping for a culture change that included a revamped dedication to the dirty work on the court. Signing IT and Ish feels like tanking to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Judging by his numbers, Sanon is probably two years away from the NBA. He's got good tools, but he doesn't seem particularly precocious. Figure the plan is to roll with Isaiah Thomas and Ish Smith for a tank year, wait for John to come back, and then hope Sanon can come over to be a back up point and defensive specialist by '21. Looking at the assembled young talent, Hachimura, Brown Jr, and Schofield have good defensive tools. Jemerrio Jones looks like he could end up being a high quality defensive specialist. Sanon will probably end up being a defensive specialist too. Our long term outlook for the defense isn't as dire as I initially thought. But they're going to be awful in the near term. Jemerrio Jones is the one who really interests me out of the whole group. 16 rebounds in his first NBA start is very unusual for a 6'5 wing. His college stats are really strange too--he averaged just over 13 rebounds a game in his final season, and had a DRtg of 83.2. I think this dude could be a total dog, and that he might be the real prize of that Lakers trade. I definitely want him to make the team, and I'm going to be pissed if Scott Brooks buries him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted July 3, 2019 Author Share Posted July 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Destino said: I understand letting him go because of the cap situation. I'd feel better about it they hadn't replaced him with inefficient guards that can't play defense. I was hoping for a culture change that included a revamped dedication to the dirty work on the court. Signing IT and Ish feels like tanking to me. It might be tanking....but thats not necessarily a bad thing imo. I'm hoping for one more lottery pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 23 minutes ago, BRAVEONAWARPATH said: Did they "let" Sato go or did he want to leave? Let's assume John reclaims his starting spot, do you want to pay 10m per year to his back up? Given we dont know what Wall we're getting back, if he can stay healthy, and our overall lack of talent while Sato can play multiple positions, yes I'd bring him back for 3 years, $30 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Destino said: I understand letting him go because of the cap situation. I'd feel better about it they hadn't replaced him with inefficient guards that can't play defense. I was hoping for a culture change that included a revamped dedication to the dirty work on the court. Signing IT and Ish feels like tanking to me. It feels like tanking to me too. Ish is a pure stop gap. IT is a flyer. They'll kill us on defense this year, but the hope is that they'll keep the offense running well enough that our young guys won't have to do too much on offense and that they'll get the ball in position to make shots. IT has been dreadful the past two seasons, but if there is any kind of rehabilitation of his game, he's a good offensive player. Long term, point guard is going to have to be addressed unless Wall makes a surprising recovery. Rim protector is probably going to have to be addressed too. If Rui works out, we'll actually have a decent collection of forwards though. Summer League is going to be fun this year. I want to see what Schofield and Robinson in particular can do. Robinson is 24 and signed a multi-year contract, so I think Brave is right that he's much more in our plans than a typical UDFA signing. Schofield is 22 and he has three and D potential. Kind of a Jae Crowder type of body and skill set. If he's a smart defender, then he could be pretty good. Robinson has a strong body too. Quick lefty release with a pull up from three. Good court vision. He's got a no frills game that's just kind of physical and fundamental. He's small and doesn't have switch potential, but could be a decent point guard defender due to his strength. 2 minutes ago, Renegade7 said: Given we dont know what Wall we're getting back, if he can stay healthy, and our overall lack of talent while Sato can play multiple positions, yes I'd bring him back for 3 years, $30 million. I would have brought him back too. He's a good player and a good fit for any team. But I suspect he wanted out. I can't think of any other reason why we would let him go when we could have matched his offer sheet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted July 3, 2019 Author Share Posted July 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Renegade7 said: Given we dont know what Wall we're getting back, if he can stay healthy, and our overall lack of talent while Sato can play multiple positions, yes I'd bring him back for 3 years, $30 million. You're assuming Sato actually wanted to return. Yes, we could have matched but personally I prefer the long term cap flexibility....especially with how this team is presently constructed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Saw this on BR from Miami Hearld, thoughts?: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article231882358.html Quote As we reported on Twitter (@flasportsbuzz), the Heat has reached out to the Washington Wizards about Bradley Beal and there is sentiment internally to taking on the last four years and $172 million of John Wall’s deal to facilitate a trade, according to someone with direct knowledge. But there is no indication that Washington would be willing to do that, even with Wall out for much or all of next season with a ruptured left Achilles’ tendon. Beal has said that the Wizards have assured him he won’t be traded. Even if Washington agreed to such a scenario, Miami - with its hard cap situation -would need to send out salaries comparable to the combined $65 million that Wall and Beal would make next season. That’s possible, but a challenge. Beal has two seasons remaining on his contract Can Miami actually do that? I feel like I understand nothing about the way the NBA cap works if they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted July 3, 2019 Author Share Posted July 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Renegade7 said: Saw this on BR from Miami Hearld, thoughts?: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article231882358.html Can Miami actually do that? I feel like I understand nothing about the way the NBA cap works if they can. I wouldn't even pay that any mind. Yeah, the Heat want Bradley but taking on John too? Nah lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, BRAVEONAWARPATH said: You're assuming Sato actually wanted to return. Yes, we could have matched but personally I prefer the long term cap flexibility....especially with how this team is presently constructed. I'm not, Bulls drafted Coby White to be their starting PG of the future, it doesnt make sense for him to go there and think he has a chance to start. How is that cap flexibility going to help us if players dont want to come here? We waited for Sato, watched him become a serviceable player, and now hes gone, there really isnt much positive I can take from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, Renegade7 said: Saw this on BR from Miami Hearld, thoughts?: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article231882358.html Can Miami actually do that? I feel like I understand nothing about the way the NBA cap works if they can. They'd have to salary match us to do it. They've got a lot of fairly substantial contracts they could piece together to get to 60 million or so in outgoing salary, but none of them are players we'd want. They don't really have any assets. Getting Beal from us would hinge on us being willing to give away Beal just to get rid of Wall. No thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearrock Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 I'm interested on the assurance to Beal part. Did FO make the assurance without Beal's assurance of resigning? (Why?!?!) Did Beal promise to resign and just waiting to see if he can make All NBA for DVPE eligibility this year? (Hmmm....). Is the FO just BS'ing to Beal? (lord I hope not. Teams shouldn't be lying to players, especially in the NBA). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticksboi05 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 3 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said: That's not realistic. Realistic...absolutely not. But one can dream. If you offload Wall and have confidence that star free agents will want to sign here you could become good much faster than waiting for picks to develop BUT recent history suggests there's not much interest. My post wasn't meant to suggest it was viable or that any team would be that dumb, just that it is in a literal sense, one of the possibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 https://www.ridiculousupside.com/2019/7/3/20681834/kendrick-nunn-g-league-santa-cruz-warriors-miami-heat-2019-summer-league One of the prospects that have impressed the most during this initial Summer League slate is current Heat guard Kendrick Nunn. During his two games in Sacramento, he averaged 24 points, 3 assists, 3 rebounds and 2 steals on 42% from the field and 47% from beyond the arc on 7.5 attempts per game. While that’s obviously a small sample size, it might show a pattern that could put the Oakland alum closer to getting a permanent spot on an NBA roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 The Grizzlies want to trade Iggy. I wish we could deal Mahinmi and like a second round pick to get him. Bring him in purely for The cultural effect he'd have on the young players. Plus we need a SF. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDibbs31 Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 17 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said: Summer League is going to be fun this year. I want to see what Schofield and Robinson in particular can do. Robinson is 24 and signed a multi-year contract, so I think Brave is right that he's much more in our plans than a typical UDFA signing. Schofield is 22 and he has three and D potential. Kind of a Jae Crowder type of body and skill set. If he's a smart defender, then he could be pretty good. Robinson has a strong body too. Quick lefty release with a pull up from three. Good court vision. He's got a no frills game that's just kind of physical and fundamental. He's small and doesn't have switch potential, but could be a decent point guard defender due to his strength. I would have brought him back too. He's a good player and a good fit for any team. But I suspect he wanted out. I can't think of any other reason why we would let him go when we could have matched his offer sheet. Justin Robinson is only 21 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 48 minutes ago, BigDibbs31 said: Justin Robinson is only 21 years old. Thanks for the correction. Some draft site I saw had his birthday in 1995, but I think they were confusing him with another player of the same name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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spjunkies Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 (edited) Damn those uniforms look sleek!!! Edited July 4, 2019 by spjunkies 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBash Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 I think Troy Brown Jr is going to make a nice jump this year. I like the smoothness of his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry.Randolphe Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 I wonder if we can get Boogie to come here on a 1 year contract with an option for a 2nd so he can play with Wall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 10 hours ago, spjunkies said: Damn those uniforms look sleek!!! It's funny, when they had those uniforms I thought they were so drab and boring. Now they look awesome. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Can't read too much into this but it's cool. https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/demarcus-cousins-free-agency-rumors-center-has-spoken-briefly-with-the-wizards/115cqtny250dg192ajasg1bwqf?amp_js_v=0.1&usqp=mq331AQCKAE= Wall and his achilles, Isaiah Thomas and his hip, Boogie and his achilles/quad...maybe they can Frankenstein a player together out of them and get some production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearrock Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 (edited) Hmmm.... I wonder if it is related to this news.... https://twitter.com/Sam_Vecenie/status/1146068851227938816?s=20 Apparently, I have no idea how to embed a tweet. Wiz applying for injured player designation for Wall, which would mean he won't be able to play at all this year and team gets one year cap room of 9 mil. Edited July 5, 2019 by bearrock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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