SKIN4WAHOOZ Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 really @@@hole? you and snyder are the f'ing problem. how bout a front office consultant. most successful organizations call them GM's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Looks like I was wrong about them getting together yesterday, since Vinny says he's not here yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeyeG Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 I can't really see how this is going to make JC a better QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito-01 Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 IMHO, this is a BAD move. Vinny and Danny need to really think thru about what they want to do, and do it with the integrity. I feel for coach Jim Zorn. He really wasn't given an opportunity to succeed. He did have an opportunity to pick his assistant coaches, and a QB that fit his offensive vision. He was given hand me downs, and poor ones at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 It's my hypothesis that Lewis is there to report to Snyder and Cerrato about his feelings on Zorn's operation here, to review film on Jason, make recommendations for benefit in the short term but mainly to give Snyder an outsider's impression of what Zorn is doing right or wrong. It is interesting but it would be funny if Lewis told them that Zorn's play design looks OK but it's the timing and the QB execution. It may be Zorn's "stay" of execution except that he may be asked to make certain personnel changes--will he? I don't know. It may be that Lewis finds he's not communicating something to the offense and by doing so, he's failing as a coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horatio Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 http://www.warpathconfidential.com/?p=1508Cerrato says this is all his idea. Not Dan Snyder’s. Cerrato came up with it on Monday and cleared it with Jim Zorn, whose job security is obviously threatened by such a move that was twice before replicated in the Snyder era, including Bill Arnsparger “helping” defensive coordinator Mike Nolan, whose contract soon expired and wasn’t invited back. Funny...Nolan was the one who Snyder canned at the end of the year due to the vanilla ice cream flap...and why we have the worst owner in the league (not including Al Davis): http://larrybrownsports.com/football/daniel-snyder-does-not-like-vanilla-ice-cream-so-says-mike-nolan/792 Early that season, after a Redskins loss, Snyder told Nolan that his defensive calls were “too vanilla.” Like the other coaches, Nolan had figured out by then that trying to explain football to Snyder was pointless, since he already had the game figured out. A few days later a gallon of 31 Flavors ice cream showed up on Nolan’s desk with a note that said, “This is what I like. Not vanilla.” Nolan laughed and sent Snyder a note: “Thanks for the ice cream. My kids enjoyed it.” “The first time it was actually kind of funny,” Nolan said. “I didn’t mind it at all.” The next time wasn’t as funny. The Redskins lost on the road to Dallas, and Nolan went into his office late Sunday night to start looking at game tape. When he arrived, there were three giant canisters of melting 31 Flavors ice cream on his desk with another note: “I wasn’t joking. I do not like vanilla.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 He did have an opportunity to pick his assistant coaches, and a QB that fit his offensive vision. He was given hand me downs, and poor ones at that. They should have upped the ante for Cutler. I really think you'd see more from the Zorn offense (though I don't know how much more) if they'd have done that and I don't know if Zorn wasn't involved in those attempts to get Sanchez or Cutler. I have to say, if Snyder and Cerrato wanted continuity on D, they should have just kept Gregg Williams and screw who you get along with personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 what's sad is there are a lot of anti-Snyder people who I could easily see pulling the same kind of tactic as Snyder did with the icecream and Nolan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlees Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Listen, Don't feel sorry for Zorn. He didn't have to take the job. He's not qualified to be a head coach yet, bottom line. He knew that. It's like being a nurse but taking a job as a surgeon. No offense to nurses at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 It's my hypothesis that Lewis is there to report to Snyder and Cerrato about his feelings on Zorn's operation here, to review film on Jason, make recommendations for benefit in the short term but mainly to give Snyder an outsider's impression of what Zorn is doing right or wrong.It is interesting but it would be funny if Lewis told them that Zorn's play design looks OK but it's the timing and the QB execution. It may be Zorn's "stay" of execution except that he may be asked to make certain personnel changes--will he? I don't know. It may be that Lewis finds he's not communicating something to the offense and by doing so, he's failing as a coach. This is a very astute observation. If there is a breakdown, it may be between Sherm Smith and Campbell. The conclusion may be that Smith is the weak link and that Campbell simply doesn't have "it". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 I dont think it's just you my friend. I remember last year when Vinny told us he wasn't talking to Miami and then like an hour later told us he had spoken to them three times that day. I still give him a pass on the no talks with Miami thing as I've always viewed it as being in the best interests of the team. This though is a bit odd. As Art & I were in the hotel that weekend & know from Sonny that they were up that night with the ice cream party Dan had going on that night. I've no idea if Vinny was attending that, interviewing Sherm, on in his room. So, given that, maybe Vinny is being on the level with Sherm not interviewing in Detroit. :whoknows: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 They should have upped the ante for Cutler. I really think you'd see more from the Zorn offense (though I don't know how much more) if they'd have done that and I don't know if Zorn wasn't involved in those attempts to get Sanchez or Cutler.I have to say, if Snyder and Cerrato wanted continuity on D, they should have just kept Gregg Williams and screw who you get along with personally. I agree with alot of what you have stated here in this post. However, Williams was not a "yes" man and he wasn't going to be used as a puppet. Snyder is going to have a "yes" man in place until he hires someone like Shanaha, Holmgen or possibly Cowher. I don't think Cowher would come here though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBush Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Does this guy know the path from the redzone to the endzone? Does he know how to score TDs in the first half? If so this may help. The way I see it is Zorn needed some sort counterbalance to his play calling. If I remember correctly the current OC is a former running backs coach and didn't have playcalling experience previously. I think we all knew something needed to be done to improve the offensive production. I don't know if this is a too many cooks in the kitchen situation until I see the outcome at Carolina, but man for all the shots Zorn has taken for bland predictable playcalling I didn't expect this reaction from the fans. :whoknows: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 In your opinion, last I checked you are not the dictator here We won the game, the decision was correct. Last I checked, you're agenda comment wasn't needed and was unrelated to the thread. Like I said in the other thread, quit trolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandman69 Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Talk about being desperate. Especially for Vinny.Pathetic. Not the first time they have done it. Remember the Nolan experiment and the "consultant" they brought in. Doh someone beat me to it! The Ice Cream is classic Snyder. Kind of funny in a way, but kind of a reflection of things to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvtbred Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Wasn't Pepper at the game against the Bucs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkhorse472 Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Lewis has been out of the game for 5 years...is he really going to be that great of a "consultant"? Here's what happens when a company hires a consultant... - Management identifies a problem (that the workers already know) - Management tries to figure it out (without speaking to the workers) - Management hires a consultant or a team of consultants to analyze the problem (that the workers feel is unnecessary) - Consultant comes back with a solution that not necessarily the best solution (the best solution could have already been suggested by the workers) - Consultant gets paid big bucks & some workers lose their jobs (workers get pissed and now have to hard harder causing more dysfunction) It's a damn Dilbert cartoon! More evidence that Zorn is gone next year. Hopefully, Vinny is too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Maybe Dan has already hired the next coach. He brought Sherman in at the behest of the new coach who wants to see what is going on and whether it would be worth that coaches time to take over after the bye or wait until next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C26 Run Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 We are doomed to fail under Cerrato. This consultant crap is doing nothing but causing more harm than good. :helmet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark The Homer Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Check the other thread on this. In there, the theory is Lewis is being brought in as a convenience to getting past the Rooney rule, clearing a quick path for a Shanahan or like hire in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veteranskinsfan Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Darkhouse472- You gave a very good and accurate description of what happens when a company hires a consultant. I think Zorn cannot fix everything that is broken on this team but I agree with you that the owner will not keep him around next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addicted Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Check the other thread on this. In there, the theory is Lewis is being brought in as a convenience to getting past the Rooney rule, clearing a quick path for a Shanahan or like hire in January. Why wait until January though? The seasons not lost. Its not ideal to bring in a new coach in the middle of the year but doing that would ensure that the guy we want is here before he lands somewhere else. The Rooney rule is negated by interviewing Blanche for the job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 I still give him a pass on the no talks with Miami thing as I've always viewed it as being in the best interests of the team.This though is a bit odd. As Art & I were in the hotel that weekend & know from Sonny that they were up that night with the ice cream party Dan had going on that night. I've no idea if Vinny was attending that, interviewing Sherm, on in his room. So, given that, maybe Vinny is being on the level with Sherm not interviewing in Detroit. :whoknows: Well, Lewis probably lives in Michigan and is a former employee of the Lions, so him being there doesn't strike me as unusual. As for the speculation, sometimes things are what they are and that he's just here to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Jason "the coach killer" Campbell strikes again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Jason "the coach killer" Campbell strikes again. If only the problems were Jason Campbell. If only... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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