nonniey Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 More Jimmy Carter part Duex stuff; "It may seem rather unkind to express some serious doubts about US President Barack Obama just now. He is wowing the UN with talk of nuclear disarmament. He is mesmerising the Group of 20 with talk of global recovery. He is leading a policy review that talks of winning in Afghanistan and he will not send more troops in response to the request of the US military commander in Afghanistan, Stanley McChrystal, without deeper talks. He has stirred hearts in the Middle East with talk of peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians. And from October 1 he will be talking directly with the Iranians in pursuit of his talk of stopping Tehran from getting nuclear weapons. It's a lot of very impressive talk. And yet, and yet... Machiavelli said for a prince it is better to be feared than to be loved. For much of his presidency, most of the world feared George W. Bush. For a brief, shining moment after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, America's enemies feared Bush, while almost all the rest of the world loved him. That is the perfect situation for any US president. It can't be sustained, of course, and Bush squandered the love part of the equation much more quickly and much more comprehensively than he should have. But he never lost the fear bit........." Click link for rest of Article http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/09/24/waiting_for_a_fonzie_moment_in_obamas_richie_cunningham_presidency.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 It's apparent that a lot of people fear him. Why else would there be such a concerted effort to spread incorrect info about him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 I bet he has Sarge shacking in his boots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Yeah, but they're all just racist retards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted September 24, 2009 Author Share Posted September 24, 2009 It's apparent that a lot of people fear him. Why else would there be such a concerted effort to spread incorrect info about him? Maybe but isn't it a bit worrisome that it is only Americans that fear him (oh and our closest friends - ie this Australian writer)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 I agree with the writer wholeheartedly. I think it was much better for America when this was the face that we showed to the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toe Jam Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 My ignore user button is getting a hell of a workout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 From what I can tell at least half of the Republicans in this country really, really fear him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailYeah Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 A consequence of being feared is being hated. Got to throw that factor in there as well. How much fear is worth being hated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 I agree with the writer wholeheartedly. I think it was much better for America when this was the face that we showed to the world. (Giant picture of Cheney looking mean) :secret: that would be Bidens equivalent... and in this case i believe we lost a notch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Oh joy 2 threads of Obama=Carter from the same user in one day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexey Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Machiavelli was a racist. For a brief, shining moment after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, America's enemies feared Bush, while almost all the rest of the world loved him. That is the perfect situation for any US president. The funny part is that Obama's friends love him and his enemies actually do fear him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elessar78 Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 The world feared GW Bush cause he was a loose canon. Feared and respected are two totally different things—no other countries really respected GWB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 A consequence of being feared is being hated. Got to throw that factor in there as well. How much fear is worth being hated? I think the it is possible to speak softly and carry a big stick. Bush was terrible at the former, ok on the latter though he swung it too wildly. Obama is great at the former. Jury is out on the latter. In that respect, the article has a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Is this really what the shining city on the hill has become? A place where we demand our leaders cause the world to fear them? I couldn't disagree more than that. You should fear awakening a sleeping giant but have nothing to fear otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
81artmonk Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Not a chance. I think every enemy of the USA breathed a sigh of relief when Obama was elected. Becuase they knew that he wasn't someone to respect/fear but rather saw him as weak and a non issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailYeah Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Not a chance. I think every enemy of the USA breathed a sigh of relief when Obama was elected. Becuase they knew that he wasn't someone to respect/fear but rather saw him as weak and a non issue. What about our allies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Perhaps Obama should just wag the dog soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexey Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Not a chance. I think every enemy of the USA breathed a sigh of relief when Obama was elected. Becuase they knew that he wasn't someone to respect/fear but rather saw him as weak and a non issue. That sigh of relief was quickly drowned out by explosions of munitions dropped from UAV's on their heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailYeah Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 That sigh of relief was quickly drowned out by explosions of munitions dropped from UAV's on their heads. Seriously, let them fear our bad ass military. And at the same time not have as much leverage with moderates in allied nations - the real political battleground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Not a chance. I think every enemy of the USA breathed a sigh of relief when Obama was elected. Becuase they knew that he wasn't someone to respect/fear but rather saw him as weak and a non issue. :blahblah: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljs Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 I think the point was not about the Americans who don't like him, (for the record I do not fear him, I disagree with most of his policies). There is a huge difference between that and our enemies fearing him. Our enemies should fear our president- they should be afraid to attack us, knowing that if they do- we will kick their ass, or like the Cheney poster-Kill every last one of them. I don't think our enemies fear Obama in that sense. I think that they think he is weak and that if we are attacked, he would not react the same way GWB did. I also think that they feel like maybe they can convince him to change policies, such as lifting trade embargo's(but then look how he handled Cuba recently). all I know is, as long as we stay safe, I'm cool. The minute we are attacked, and Obama doesn't react the way he should to protect us, then I'll be pissed. til then- I'm not real worried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Judges Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Republicans make very good points. North Korea feared Bush so much they developed, tested, and acquired nuclear weapons on his watch. North Korea also developed and tested longer range missiles because they were so afraid of Bush. Same goes for Iran, they feared Bush so much they sent thousands of roadside bombs to Iraq and built thousands of uranium enrichment plants. And don't forget the Russians, who on Bush's watch, invaded Georgia and took over the region of Abkhazia-all because they feared Bush's awesome influence over eastern Europe. And then there's the Palestinians, who launched thousands of rockets into Israel-purely because they feared Bush. Clearly, the fear of Bush is why American foriegn policy has been such an unmitigated success over the last 8 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 I think that they think he is weak and that if we are attacked, he would not react the same way GWB did. You mean by asking the country that DID attack us to hand over a handful of bad guys allowing them time to escape? Apparently according to Gary Berntsen of the CIA let Osama get away once we had him cornered by not allowing US troops to finish the job. Shift the focus away from those that actually attacked us to Iraq a war we are still stuck in to this day. Is that how you want Obama to respond? I don't. If we get hit again I want to be at war the next day and I want the war to be focused on exactly who attacked us and I want those people defeated. Bush was praised for his response but unlike many I thought the US response to 9/11 was weak and indecisive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Republicans make very good points. North Korea feared Bush so much they developed, tested, and acquired nuclear weapons on his watch. North Korea also developed and tested longer range missiles because they were so afraid of Bush. Same goes for Iran, they feared Bush so much they sent thousands of roadside bombs to Iraq and built thousands of uranium enrichment plants.And don't forget the Russians, who on Bush's watch, invaded Georgia and took over the region of Abkhazia-all because they feared Bush's awesome influence over eastern Europe. And then there's the Palestinians, who launched thousands of rockets into Israel-purely because they feared Bush. Clearly, the fear of Bush is why American foriegn policy has been such an unmitigated success over the last 8 years. Don't forget the 2nd coming of anti-american socialists all over latin america that used Bush as a rallying cry to crawl back into power. They were so afraid by this strong leader that they were strong arming their nations into submission and openly mocking him weekly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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