DCDiesel44 Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Difficult decision as much as it is the right decision. Move on with the younger guys, Jansen's past his prime. He's leaving appreciated though, I know that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 I wonder if this move holds any clue to Mike Williams' comeback progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 You know this how?Chances are Buges wanted to keep Jansen. That's been his trademark, being undying loyal to the guys who play for him. But unless there's a quote or somebody was in the meeting rooms, it's all complete and total speculation... When Gibbs retired he stated that Snyder had a fondness for Buges and Buges would have a position as long as he wanted one. Buges was also brought in during the Spurrier era to evaluate the blocking schemes. Vinny Cerratto was officially given roster control when he was promoted after Gibbs retired. Zorn was on the chopping block until the skins won a 10-3 game against the Eagles. He is a fraud and on borrowed time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Yeah 'cos Buges and Cerrato are known for over valueing rookies when comparing them to vets... oh wait a minute... I got that the wrong way round. So did you, but you skewed it to fit your agenda, I see. Well played Please name a rookie O-lineman that was drafted who is on the roster. Who is the one skewing facts now? Oh wait, yours are immediately discredited. Maybe you should stick to subjective topics because you suck with facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 When Gibbs retired he stated that Snyder had a fondness for Buges and Buges would have a position as long as he wanted one. Buges was also brought in during the Spurrier era to evaluate the blocking schemes. Vinny Cerratto was officially given roster control when he was promoted after Gibbs retired. Zorn was on the chopping block until the skins won a 10-3 game against the Eagles. He is a fraud and on borrowed time. I'm curious...where exactly did you get such specific information? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 I'm curious...where exactly did you get such specific information? Prior to the Eagles game Cerrato stated that everyone would be evaluated at the end of the season. Following the Eagles win, he stated that Zorn would be the coach in 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiro Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Prior to the Eagles game Cerrato stated that everyone would be evaluated at the end of the season. Following the Eagles win, he stated that Zorn would be the coach in 2009. You're assuming things and you don't have any solid evidence that Zorn was really on the "chopping block" as you say. Cerrato had been badgered by questions about Zorn returning, and he finally described the question as "crazy". Find me a solid quote that gives you reason to believe that he was going to be fired, not some JLC conjured rumor about Zorn's job security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsenic Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 you know.. It would seem weird to see Buges on the sidelines with youngin's. ha I wonder if 'ol Buges is trying to set us up for the future before he steps down? That will be a sad sad day in DC. I've always kinda hoped we'd have some players coaching eventually, at the OL position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OuterBanksTarHeel Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 I disagree with the assumption that Buges was the one who kept Jansen here longer...Buges is the same guy who demoted Jeff Bostic in 1987 before the season even began. I think the Skins just wanted to wait until after the cap was adjusted for next year to make this move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Jansen has to be kidding. 'Really enthusiastic'? to be going to the 0-16 Lions? People aren't going to Detroit these days, they are LEAVING. But it appears Jon's competition at RT in Detroit is even thinner than it was here, so perhaps that is what has him excited. In reference to the point made by the other poster, I agree that I would like to have seen a Redskins veteran return as OL coach, but it was never going to be Jansen. He always seemed too selfish of a player to me to make a good coach. At the end he was in real denial about how far his skills had declined, something that was there for all to see the second half of 2008. Russ Grimm was here as OL coach for a good while until Marty decided that Mike Solari was more 'qualified' (ie he was his guy from KC). The Redskins could have used Grimm as OC and potentially HC down the road, but they let him go to Pittsburgh and the rest is history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Funny how quick he latched onto Detroit. Must have been an emotional decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Does this move put Thomas on alert if he begins the same trek that followed Jansen with injuries? I noticed last season that Thomas was really having issues with run blocking. The right side of the O'line got better with Jansen reclaiming his tackle spot. Thomas was an alternate pro bowler last year, and that was playing with a severly injured neck. He seemed to get beat more than usual but no one seemed to be calling him out as the problem. Jansen on the other hand seemed to be the whipping boy for the O line criticism. Remember 2 seasons ago or maybe it was 3, Parcells was profiled in the Times about his coaching approach to the game, and at the time he was watching tape and he pointed out that Jansen was getting beat and is not the same guy he was. And that was a younger Jansen, before his last injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Sad to see him go, but the reality is he just wasn't capable of performing at that level anymore. Age is a factor. Just how much longer will it take for us to see thats the case with the rest of our offensive line as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gortiz Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Zorn is doing his best to be kind and still make winning decisions. Jansen gave a lot to the team. He simply wore down and could not play at the level desired/needed, and there was no viable alternative role for him here, given all the circumstances.It is a tough business, as most are these days. Athletes generally take all the rope (money/bennies/perks) they can possibly get (logical), and owners/coaches need to make the moves they feel they need to make to win (logical). While I have full appreciation for Jon, wish him well, and think he'll likely be a fine jock/broadcaster, I think it was certainly time, after one last look, to part ways. yeah, after reading zorn's straight up no BS comments and your breakdown i feel better about the move. i killed this team for the move yesterday ...i guess it was just the last 10 years of bad moves and then seeing jon go this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel2 Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Thomas was an alternate pro bowler last year, and that was playing with a severly injured neck. He seemed to get beat more than usual but no one seemed to be calling him out as the problem. Jansen on the other hand seemed to be the whipping boy for the O line criticism. Remember 2 seasons ago or maybe it was 3, Parcells was profiled in the Times about his coaching approach to the game, and at the time he was watching tape and he pointed out that Jansen was getting beat and is not the same guy he was. And that was a younger Jansen, before his last injury. Jon Jansen was a solid RT who came in after being drafted and did a great job for about three seasons. But the injuries to his ankle and foot started his dismiss. I just hope Thomas holds up better than Jon. I know he was injured last season, and, still recovering but I did noticed before the reported injury to his shoulder that he was having some difficulty blocking on some run plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walking Deadman Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 The good news of all of this is that younger guys like a Edwin Williams and Devin Clark, or even solid depth players (and possible starter) like Will Montgomery have the opportunity to fight for a roster spot that most of us thought would have automatically gone to Jansen. And I wish Jon the best, he'll be very good on tv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 I don't think you can get any more fair and honest than that with out stripping the man (Jansen) of his dignity. Zorn is only expressing the issues that us outsiders have observed for the past 3-4 seasons. I agree. No need to dwell on the age or injuries of the man because we all know about them and that it's the reason he dropped off so much the past few seasons. It's good to see him go to Detroit because it's his home and he'll probably get to start there. As much as I wish he could have retired a Redskin, this works out better for everybody. We get the roster spot that he would have taken up and he gets to start and keep playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Please name a rookie O-lineman that was drafted who is on the roster. You reinforce my point for me. Who is the one skewing facts now? As per usual..... Oh wait, yours are immediately discredited. Maybe you should stick to subjective topics because you suck with facts. Wrong again. I would like to know how answering the rookie OL question (zero) would do anything other than reinforce my point that old/underperforming OL players have been overvalued in recent years, which must have been either by Bugel or Cerrato, or Bugel and Cerrato. Rabach's next though he may last one more season as a starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chump Bailey Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Rabach's next though I certainly hope so. The OL should and likely will receive much more attention after this season. Rabach's smart and durable, but we need a stronger body there IMO in a major way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heatman28 Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 I don't think you can get any more fair and honest than that with out stripping the man (Jansen) of his dignity. Zorn is only expressing the issues that us outsiders have observed for the past 3-4 seasons. Well said man!:applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flexxskins Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Z man saved us from Bugel playing to his emotionsI was thinking the very same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljeasel Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 Rabach's next though he may last one more season as a starter. IMO Good Ol' Ryback should have been first. But thats just a personal beef I have with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkskin Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 Jansen was a good 'skin, but I think this is a good move. I think the best thing is that it must mean that the staff has confidence in the new additions or the young guys from last year are looking good. All the best to Big Jon, and I wish him well with the Lions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercuryrising Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 The Lions would be getting one heck of a RT.... if only it were 2006! As it is I hope Culpepper or Stafford know his limitations on passing downs, because they could get KILLED..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 I certainly hope so. The OL should and likely will receive much more attention after this season. Rabach's smart and durable, but we need a stronger body there IMO in a major way. IMO Good Ol' Ryback should have been first. But thats just a personal beef I have with him. This is the second off season of short legs quotes and trying out other OL position guys at C. Hopefully there won't be a third. Must have been very hard for the RG last season with revolving doors to left and right. A big guy in the Anthony Montgomery type size range (6' 6" 330lbs) would be nice. A forward push on short yardage plays would really help our O IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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