terrifNick21 Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 lets here it for the washington native americans!!!!:point2sky lmao!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljs Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 maybe I don't understand the "history" over the negative view of the word Redskin, but as a Native American, I actually view it as a compliment that professional sports team, or even schools at any level would use any type of Native American name for it's mascot. hell no, we won't go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Lets change it to the Washington Negros? Or Even worse, The Washington N-Words, how bout the Washington Wetbacks, and we will see how many people defend it. Come on guys, I know that American Indians represent a very small minority of people, but they deserve the same respect that other minorities do. Sometimes, when I see fans in the facepaint of a Native American, I wonder how many stereotypes are in effect. I sit and compare it to when shows were put on in "blackface" and tell myself, "its not the same"....but part of me wonders how similar they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motorhead Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 maybe I don't understand the "history" over the negative view of the word Redskin, but as a Native American, I actually view it as a compliment that professional sports team, or even schools at any level would use any type of Native American name for it's mascot. hell no, we won't go! HTTR and you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantasm Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 First off, how in the hell can the government tell the Redskins to change their name? This country is getting to be more of a socialist state every day. Also, people have a lot of rights in this country, but the right to not be offended is not one of them. Get over it, kiss our asses, and find something else to ***** and moan about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 First off, how in the hell can the government tell the Redskins to change their name? This country is getting to be more of a socialist state every day. Also, people have a lot of rights in this country, but the right to not be offended is not one of them. Get over it, kiss our asses, and find something else to ***** and moan about. uuh, socialism? Interesting perspective you've got there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantasm Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 uuh, socialism? Interesting perspective you've got there. Okay, maybe socialism is the wrong word, long day at work I guess. What I'm saying is the government (or any other entity) should have no say at all in the name of a sports franchise, or anything that isn't directly supported by the government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 First off, how in the hell can the government tell the Redskins to change their name? This country is getting to be more of a socialist state every day. Also, people have a lot of rights in this country, but the right to not be offended is not one of them. Get over it, kiss our asses, and find something else to ***** and moan about. The government wouldn't be. The lawsuit brought against them would be representative of the people who won. The court's job is exactly to decide who is right and wrong in cases of dispute based on the evidence and strength of arguments for and against each issue. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aREDSKIN Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 The government wouldn't be. The lawsuit brought against them would be representative of the people who won. The court's job is exactly to decide who is right and wrong in cases of dispute based on the evidence and strength of arguments for and against each issue. ~Bang This lawsuit is about trademark and what can/can't be trademarked ie protection of a "name" in this case. Harjo & her ilk contend the term "redskin" is an offensive name and therefore is ineligible for federal trademark protection. If the Redskins cannot trademark the name "Redskins" then they can't sell protected merchandise etc. The NFL would in fact make them change the name because they would not be able to make as much money off all the Skins merchandise they sell every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Why don't they get an official vote from the Indian reservations in the country? To this day, I've never heard an Indian/Native American say a thing about it. It's just an issue made up by the PC police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSunday Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 No living Indian has ever had this name used in description of them. It's a non-issue. Long has been. Guilty white liberals merely have a hard time getting over their own sensitivity. Art , do you have a link that can back that up?This says a little bit different. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redskin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiLfan Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 The most hilarious part of the article was where he wondered how we would explain or defend the nickname to a time traveler from the future. Yeah, that's what keeps me up at night. How would we ever explain this to Doc Brown and Marty McFly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSunday Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 This link will bring you to a page that offers lots of different opinions for both sides and says that the Name was first used by native Americans themselves.:cool: http://64.38.12.138/News/2005/010568.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGreenistheBest Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 If I may, I will play devil's advocate and provide a counter-argument. Suppose that a sports team is started in 1927. The Washington Ni**ers. This team's logo is a somewhat proud looking profile of a man who looks like a basic African native. The practice of the fans of this team is to go to games in blackface and cheer by making clicking noises with their tongues. Does this offend you? Moving forward in an alternate reality, suppose that by 1997, the word Ni**er has fallen out of common use outside of reference to our team. Most people don't bat an eye at the name or the practices of the fans. But the name and practices are the same as they were in 1937. Why are they more acceptable? I would also like to point out that the reason Native Americans don't make a big deal out of the name is because we killed most of them. In the 2006 census, people who claimed to be solely of Native American descent made up .8% of the population. Another .6% could claim partial heritage, but I could claim partial heritage and I look nothing like them nor do I really know much of anything about the culture. Hard to make noise when there's only a handful of you. Contrarily, Black Americans make up close to 13% of the population, more than one in ten, which is probably why the Washington Ni**ers never got off the ground. If the name were changed, I would feel bad about it. I would miss the logo and mascot I have been so loyal to. But I'd still root for Washington. After 10 years, a name change would be only a minor point of contention. In 20, just a bit of nostalgia. In 30, trivia. So, the counter-argument is made. The level of the offensiveness of the name seems to be based on nothing more than arbitrary opinion. The only group of people that could make a true judgment on whether or not it is wrong were conveniently reduced to almost nothing. And, ultimately, giving the team another name doesn't really change anything. Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeeb Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 I understand the issues and why it is offensive.However, I would like to ask, does anyone use this term outside of the team name? I have never heard anyone use it to call Native Americans in a derogatory way. It seems, to me at least, that while it is offensive, we have some what turned it into a celebratory way. Our song praises the name/team, our fans do, and the city does. While in the past, I can see it being a major issue, I am not sure if I feel as though today it is. But then again, I don't know mnay Native Americans. well, there really are not any around to use derogatory terms on. It always bugged my great grandmother (full blooded Shawnee) when I wore Redskins memorabilia as a kid, but whatever its been this way for too long to change it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 When you sing the following words, does it conjure up racism in your mind or your favorite football team? Hail to the Redskins! Hail Victory! Braves on the Warpath! Fight for old D.C.! Run or pass and score -- we want a lot more! Beat 'em, Swamp 'em, Touchdown! -- Let the points soar! Fight on, fight on 'Til you have won Sons of Wash-ing-ton. Rah!, Rah!, Rah! Hail to the Redskins! Hail Victory! Braves on the Warpath! Fight for old D.C.! You see, a word has whatever power you give it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantasm Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 You see, a word has whatever power you give it. Amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantasm Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 The government wouldn't be. The lawsuit brought against them would be representative of the people who won. The court's job is exactly to decide who is right and wrong in cases of dispute based on the evidence and strength of arguments for and against each issue. ~Bang Ok, thanks for the clarification. Still seems frivolous to me, but so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Actually TK made a great point by posting the fight song. "Hail to the Redskins" I seem to recall another song called "Hail to the Chief". (and why would he/she be called Chief ?, That should be racist too, or can only a Chief be honorable and brave) ? Do people realize how the word "hail" is used in these songs ? This whole thing is outlandish and absurd. I am one of the less than 1% of NA's left in this country, I have grandparents, cousins, sisters, Aunts, uncles, and a brother... Not one is offended by the name or usage of Redskins. It's all a crock of ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forehead Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Who cares? This guy is a former writer for Santa Rosa, Sacramento (Not the Bee, a lesser paper) and some work for SI. Probably dreams of being the next Bob Ryan or Michael Wilbon but can't quite hack it. So instead, he resorts to attention grabbing headlines like this in an attempt to recapture his past; to hold on to his failing dream. OK, I'm probably wrong, but I just don't care what a Yahoo Sports writer has to say about an issue that should have been buried long ago. If for some reason the team ever loses this court fight, and does have to change the name, just drop the "Red." Call them the Skins, hell, that's what half of us do anyway in casual conversation. It sets us up to get sued by nudists, but we'll fight that battle when it occurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGREENHULK Posted May 20, 2009 Author Share Posted May 20, 2009 When you sing the following words, does it conjure up racism in your mind or your favorite football team?Hail to the Redskins! Hail Victory! Braves on the Warpath! Fight for old D.C.! Run or pass and score -- we want a lot more! Beat 'em, Swamp 'em, Touchdown! -- Let the points soar! Fight on, fight on 'Til you have won Sons of Wash-ing-ton. Rah!, Rah!, Rah! Hail to the Redskins! Hail Victory! Braves on the Warpath! Fight for old D.C.! You see, a word has whatever power you give it. Thanks TK for this post not only did I get to sing our fight song but your 100% right I think of Pride, Tradition and Honor not a racist thought crosses my mind when I hear our fight song. HAIL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 The Cleveland Indians symbol is much worse: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 I personally wouldn't care if they were called the Senators, Hogs, Skins. I got over them and the missing "burgundy and gold" uniform. I'd get over this also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shi no Tenshi Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Art , do you have a link that can back that up?This says a little bit different. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redskin That article also says they used it to describe themselves. You don't get it both ways! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantasm Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 That article also says they used it to describe themselves. You don't get it both ways! I'll do you one better, I present to you: RedSkin Magazine http://www.redskinmagazine.ca/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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