sacase Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 The tackle was not a horsecoller tackle he had a hand in front of the guy as well. You guys are really something. If it was that serious of a problem then you would see it called at all levels of football. It is a legal tackle at every level of play except the NFL. The NFL only has that rule now because TO go injured. However, the tackle on Clark was a horsecollar. The NFL honestly just pulls stuff out of its ***. A couple years ago Darren Woodson hit some Seattle reciever with a legal hit and was fined because it was so violent. Let me say that again. It was LEGAL, but he was fined because he sent the guy into siezures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlood81 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 The tackle was not a horsecoller tackle he had a hand in front of the guy as well. You guys are really something. If it was that serious of a problem then you would see it called at all levels of football. It is a legal tackle at every level of play except the NFL. The NFL only has that rule now because TO go injured. However, the tackle on Clark was a horsecollar.The NFL honestly just pulls stuff out of its ***. A couple years ago Darren Woodson hit some Seattle reciever with a legal hit and was fined because it was so violent. Let me say that again. It was LEGAL, but he was fined because he sent the guy into siezures. He got fined and we're making the excuses and wild assumptions? Just because he had his hand in front he still was pulling from the back. And the motion was still going backward thus a horsecollar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaga Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 The tackle was not a horsecoller tackle he had a hand in front of the guy as well. Was the hand in front on the face mask? I did not see a replay so I cannot confirm this but the angle I saw looked like he got a piece of the face mask.:dallasuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsNoles21 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Was the hand in front on the face mask? I did not see a replay so I cannot confirm this but the angle I saw looked like he got a piece of the face mask.:dallasuck roy williams combined a horse collar with a facemask and then another player flew it for a helmet to helmet collision. It was solid Dallas Cowboy football. he was flagged for a facemask. As for punishment...we will take care of it...just throw the ball over the middle to sellers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Day Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 The tackle was not a horsecoller tackle he had a hand in front of the guy as well. You guys are really something. If it was that serious of a problem then you would see it called at all levels of football. It is a legal tackle at every level of play except the NFL. The NFL only has that rule now because TO go injured. However, the tackle on Clark was a horsecollar.The NFL honestly just pulls stuff out of its ***. A couple years ago Darren Woodson hit some Seattle reciever with a legal hit and was fined because it was so violent. Let me say that again. It was LEGAL, but he was fined because he sent the guy into siezures. I have not seen anything that says as long as you have your hand on the front it is not a horsecollar. This case was actually one of the few Horsecollars I have seen that actually goes by the original rule. He had his hand inside the Shoulder pads. They even expanded the rules to include the jersey this year. His tackle last night was a blatant text book example of the illegal horsecollar. In fact your argument about him having his hand on the front of the jersey makes it even more of a argument for his suspension. If he could get his other arm around the front then he had no reason to do the illegal tackle. If his one hand was around to his front he could have easily pushed him out of bounds (he was going there anyways) or actually **GASP** wrapped him up. Instead he chose to go for the illegal tackle and in fact by his actions and the knowledge of the danger of his actions he chose to attempt to injure the runner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Day Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Was the hand in front on the face mask? I did not see a replay so I cannot confirm this but the angle I saw looked like he got a piece of the face mask.:dallasuck there were three fouls on that tackle A minor facemask, a major horsecollar, and a major helmet to helmet (not accidental, the defender dove at him with his head first) hit. Of the three the majors where 15yds and the facemask was 5. Guess which one of the three with the official standing 3 feet from the play was called against the cowboys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Om Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 roy williams combined a horse collar with a facemask and then another player flew it for a helmet to helmet collision. It was solid Dallas Cowboy football.he was flagged for a facemask. To me, that's the issue. How the officials could ignore both the horsecollar AND leading-with-the-helmet infractions on the same play was just mindboggling. And if their defense is that they didn't see either of them, that's even worse. The horsecollar was as blatant and unobstructed as any I've ever seen, and the helmet to helmet, while quick enough to MAYBE have been missed, also appeared to come well out of bounds. It really does make you wonder sometimes. As to what to do about Williams, raising the fines isn't enough. Suspensions are the only way to get a player's attention becuase it hits them both in the wallet (game checks) and the ego. And woe to both RW and the league if the next time he does it--and he will--he ends a player's career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntotoro Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 I am against suspending him. Just keep fining him and increase it every time. Eventually, they will get to a number that matters to him. Money means nothing to these guys. If so suspend them, though, they lose play time and a game check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dockeryfan Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 The tackle was not a horsecoller tackle he had a hand in front of the guy as well. You guys are really something. If it was that serious of a problem then you would see it called at all levels of football. It is a legal tackle at every level of play except the NFL. The NFL only has that rule now because TO go injured. However, the tackle on Clark was a horsecollar.The NFL honestly just pulls stuff out of its ***. A couple years ago Darren Woodson hit some Seattle reciever with a legal hit and was fined because it was so violent. Let me say that again. It was LEGAL, but he was fined because he sent the guy into siezures. lol, what were you saying about pulling stuff out of your Azz? It has nothing to do with a hand in front. You couldn't know less if you tried. All players are prohibited from grabbing the inside collar of the back of the shoulder pads or jersey, or the inside collar of the side of the shoulder pads or jersey, and immediately pulling down the runner. This does not apply to a runner who is in the tackle box or to a quarterback who is in the pocket. Previously, the “horse-collar” tackle rule did not include the back of the shoulder pads or jersey. This increases the scope of the rule. Penalty: Loss of 15 yards.Reason for the change: Player safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlood81 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 there were three fouls on that tackleA minor facemask, a major horsecollar, and a major helmet to helmet (not accidental, the defender dove at him with his head first) hit. Of the three the majors where 15yds and the facemask was 5. Guess which one of the three with the official standing 3 feet from the play was called against the cowboys. And the helmet to helmet hit was out of bound also I think. That was one of the worse call I have ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ax Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Yes, ole Cheapshot should be fined, and suspended. Of course, Tom Brady is hoping it won't be until AFTER he gets to throw at, over, and around him next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinky Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 does the league normally take this long to issue a fine or suspension? i dont even hear one bit about it except here maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkekoa Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 He should not be suspended this time; however, the NFL should call him and let him know the next time he horse collar's somebody he will be suspended and the length will increase each time and have a corresponding fine. There should be a fine of $50,000 this time. Exponential increase plus 50 is a nice round number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsNation Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Keep a sticky on this thread. When Texas Toast is fined yet again we can put a fork in it. They named the freakin rule after him!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulane Skins Fan Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 But if TT gets fined, who is going to get burnt in the secondary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanboyOf91 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 TT needs to be suspended before Dallas plays us. Look what he did to CP with that horse-tackle when Dallas came to FedEx in 2005: CP was never the same for the rest of the year (and 2006 if you think about it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Don't suspend him, then the Cowboys might actually put a safety into the lineup that can cover a WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 He should continue to be fined each and every time that this occurs. If he injures a player with this move and the player is out for the season due to injury, Williams should be fined and have a years suspension handed to him by the commish to mirror the loss of the player injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emor09 Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 he should be..he is trying to hurt players and isnt playing true to the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllAboutSkins08 Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 He should continue to be fined each and every time that this occurs.If he injures a player with this move and the player is out for the season due to injury, Williams should be fined and have a years suspension handed to him by the commish to mirror the loss of the player injured. the argument that keeps coming up though is that he KNOWS that the rule was put into place mostly because of the fact that he used this tackle a lot and was responsible for injuring other players with it and he was already fined for this a few weeks ago. i mean why would he blatenly do that again when he knows that the move is illegal and has been fined for it just weeks before? doesn't sound like the fine helped him learn. and i wouldn't want to wait for RW to injure another player and possibly take him out for a year or even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWinzit Posted October 11, 2007 Author Share Posted October 11, 2007 It has been less then 2 weeks since his last horse collar fine. How can the NFL not be looking into this latest incident? Are they just waiting until after the NE game?:doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfaninny Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 I can understand why some guys use the horsecollar sometimes. It's understandable when you're chasing a guy down from behind and can't gain on him enough to wrap him in a legal tackle. To avoid a TD, they'll take the 15 yard penalty. Coaches even prefer the penalty to the TD. But this time RW wasn't even behind the guy when he initiated the horse collar. If you watch the replay, he's beside him and could wrap him and tackle. Instead he reaches around the back and horse collars him. That is the most flagrant and unecessary use of the horse collar I've ever seen. The guy is a tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 Are fines from the previous week reported anywhere on a regular basis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingtar Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 You can fine the guy all you want, but what is 15,000 bucks to a guy that makes millions? At some point they will have to levy a suspension to get his attention, because right now the guy just doesn't care about the rule. He is getting away with it, so why should he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyKilmer Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 The NFL is Winking and forgetting anything happened. The Cowboys are the Yankees and at 5-0 EVERYONE in the NFL HQ is Smiling. Face it Fairness went out the window a long long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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