Darth Tater Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 That call was so atrocious, it should be going to the NFL this week! Thank GOD we won! If we'd lost in OT, that would be the focus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted September 9, 2007 Author Share Posted September 9, 2007 no it was the right call....sellers wasn't allowed to move there. What yoder did was fine, but sellers screwed up. They made the right call im pretty sure. I can only assume that you don't recall the play vividly enough AND that you didn't read the thread. Now, it is game day, so I understand if people have been drinking a bit but the call was on Yoder, so Sellers movement is irrelevant. The call should have been encroachment since the Dolphins came across AND made contact with the line. Also, defenders are not allowed unimpeded access to QB either if they jump across the line. Basically, the call was blown and they tried to blame Yoder to penalize the Skins for running a play that they were made aware of BEFORE the game. Sure, we won but this just shows how incompetent or biased the refs can be. Sellers only moved after the Dolphin came across the line unimpeded. He has nothing to do with the penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 There were a lot of bad calls, and non-calls in that game. That pass interference BS on Rogers let Miami back in the game. That ball was so overthrown it was ridiculous. When Jansen got hurt, Miami was way offsides and it was never called. We had to kick a field goal as a result. The weird thing about the Yoder false start on 4th and 2, was Gibbs said in the presser that he talked to the refs about that play before the game, and told them it was designed to draw the D offsides. The play worked, but the refs completely blew that call. I was so glad to see us win this game, despite the ridiculous amount of road blocks we ran into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEavyJumbo85 Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 no it was the right call....sellers wasn't allowed to move there. What yoder did was fine, but sellers screwed up. They made the right call im pretty sure. they ran this exact same play in the preseason and the defense was in fact called for offsides. These refs are absolutley retarded, especially seeing as Gibbs explained the play to them before the game even started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte51Coleman Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Sure, we won but this just shows how incompetent or biased the refs can be. Did he look anything like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUSkinsFan Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Did he look anything like this? No, but I would be willing to bet that he trained the officials in our game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskins0756 Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 :laugh: haha funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHOPSkins Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Right, not to mention the fact that it is NOT illegal to have two players moving at the same time. Sellers was moving FORWARD....you can't d that Maybe it was not the right call, but there should have been A call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d0ublestr0ker0ll Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Yoder did get out of his three-point stance abruptly, looking as if he was going to block for a second. Could have been that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHOPSkins Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 .....The call should have been encroachment since the Dolphins came across AND made contact with the line. ..... If the defense made contact...if he was in the nuetral zone but there was movement on the offense before the snap....its on the offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYskins Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 I agree with the OP. It looked fishy to me. Looked like Yoder moved, THEN MIA moved, THEN SELLERS moved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUSkinsFan Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 If the defense made contact...if he was in the nuetral zone but there was movement on the offense before the snap....its on the offense Yoder went into motion (which is legal), the miami player jumped offsides and made contact with a redskins player (which is illegal), at that point Sellers moved, so the fact that Sellers moved is irrevelant because the miami player had already committed offsides so the call should have been on Miami. Gibbs also said that he talked to the ref's before the game and they said that the play was legal. It was a blown call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dallasfan Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Good explanation. That was a nuetral zone infraction I'm pretty sure a nuetral zone infraction is only called if the offense jumps offsides in response to the infraction. So technically, since the penalty was illegal motion, the refs might've believed the contact occured after the 2nd player went in motion, even if the phin player started moving first. I'd have to see the play again in slow mo to tell, but it definately was either encroachment or illegal motion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21KO Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Indeed it was a bad call. In my opinion Sellers was simply moving to get in front of the guy crossing the LOS. He made the misake of stopping like he was moving in motion when the whistle was blown. That's exactly what happened. I was screaming at the TV that Sellers moved after the Fins guy did. If Sellers hadn't crouched, but instead had pointed a finger at the guy, we would have gotten the call. Bad refs, bad bad refs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomwvr Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Gibbs - said he told the REFS about this play before the game so they would know that it was a DEAD play - the play was designed to pull the other team offside and if they did not move they would call Time Out. The Skins did NOTHING wrong the refs just blew it and Gibbs sounded very upset with the call. Tom W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodriggo Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 It definitely seemed weird. If Yoder can break the line and move in motion then Taylor should have been flagged for offside because we snap it before Sellers moves. By the way is it just me or was Taylor offside on the play Jansen got injured? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Switchgear Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 I'm pretty sure a nuetral zone infraction is only called if the offense jumps offsides in response to the infraction. So technically, since the penalty was illegal motion, the refs might've believed the contact occured after the 2nd player went in motion, even if the phin player started moving first. I'd have to see the play again in slow mo to tell, but it definately was either encroachment or illegal motion. When the ball is snapped, only one man can be in motion. Two or more men can be in motion prior to the snap as long as they reset for 1 second prior to the ball being snapped. So the 2nd player going in motion isn't a penalty, unless the ball is snapped at that point. A neutral zone infraction is called whenever anyone on either side of the ball enters the neutral zone. It's not offense or defense only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zCommander Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Its really sad when a team can have the referees on their side and still lose the game. Actually that is called good Karma. The truth always WINS!!!! Edit: We should really send the refs some flowers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ucfSKINS Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Horrible call at a horrible time. But you have to deal with it, can't change it, and move forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Sick Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Sooooo...what they are saying is that the shift is legal, but Yoder did it too quickly. Right? I still think we got shafted on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk1ns Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 two guys CAN go in motion at the same time.. the rule is that only 1 man may be going in motion when the ball is snapped, but before the ball is snapped you can have all 11 guys move as long they get set before the ball is snapped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stroupjr Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 2 words describe this call - Chicken Shi*! And Gibbs talked to the zebras about this exact play before the game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUSkinsFan Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 It definitely seemed weird. If Yoder can break the line and move in motion then Taylor should have been flagged for offside because we snap it before Sellers moves. By the way is it just me or was Taylor offside on the play Jansen got injured? Taylor was definitely offsides on that play. But did you notice that after that Taylor was relatively ineffective. He got outrun by Jason on an 8 yd scramble. He got manhandled by Cooley on the Portis TD run and he got injured and sat for a few plays. Karma is a *****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cphil006 Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 Is it because he moved abruptly instead of smoothly>>> ??? Or is it because Sellers moved before Yoder had been set for a second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throwback37 Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 It doesn't matter how many guys were moving if the ball wasn't snapped. You also have 11 guys moving when you break the huddle.That was a shift that the skins ran in pre-season that was ruled a shift. We have the same play ruled 2 different ways. What people are confused about is that you can't have 2 guys moving at the snap, or have 2 guys moving before the snap without having them both set for at least 1 second before sending another guy in motion. Good explanation. This was the same play the skinz ran in preseason and it was ruled offsides/encroachment on the D. The skinz did nothing wrong, the refs blew it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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