Ghost of Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 There are a few, including Dierdorf, who seem to have some type of tunnel vision when it comes to this play. Yoder goes in motion, there was NO FLAG. Then Taylor or some other Dolphin jumps ACROSS the line (not just in the neutral zone, which would be allowed so long as he got back) and makes contact with the offensive line. At THIS point Sellers moves and they throw a flag. This was a bad call. It was NOT a legitimate call. It's like throwing a flag on the offensive players when a defensive guy jumps across the line, touched the QB. It is irrelevant what happens when the defense commits a DEAD BALL FOUL (which encroachment is, play cannot continue.) If the call was for Sellers' motion, it would have been called illegal motion. None of you who defended the call remember that atrocious call that cost us the Green Bay game in 2004? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Good explanation. That was a nuetral zone infraction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkFan8 Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Indeed it was a bad call. In my opinion Sellers was simply moving to get in front of the guy crossing the LOS. He made the misake of stopping like he was moving in motion when the whistle was blown. Overall I wasn't that impressed with the Refs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrell1106 Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 I agree as you stated the play. I'm not sure if Taylor came across BEFORE Sellars moved. That's my only question. I have to go back and watch the play again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Money Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Sorry but Sellars and Yoder both moved... Our bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'KanSkinFan Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 There are a few, including Dierdorf, who seem to have some type of tunnel vision when it comes to this play.Yoder goes in motion, there was NO FLAG. Then Taylor or some other Dolphin jumps ACROSS the line (not just in the neutral zone, which would be allowed so long as he got back) and makes contact with the offensive line. At THIS point Sellers moves and they throw a flag. This was a bad call. It was NOT a legitimate call. It's like throwing a flag on the offensive players when a defensive guy jumps across the line, touched the QB. It is irrelevant what happens when the defense commits a DEAD BALL FOUL (which encroachment is, play cannot continue.) If the call was for Sellers' motion, it would have been called illegal motion. None of you who defended the call remember that atrocious call that cost us the Green Bay game in 2004? We definitely need some Zebras that know what they are doing; thanks for the explination :applause: :point2sky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdskn4eva Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 It looked like the redskins were Shifting formation. Maybe Im wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwoody86 Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Did you hear the explanation? It was something like "abrupt movement that simulated a snap". Can't the refs just admit we drew them offsides? At least it didn't come back to hurt us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUSkinsFan Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Its really sad when a team can have the referees on their side and still lose the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte51Coleman Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 What was the description the ref used? Something like making an abrupt movement to simulate a snap? :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte51Coleman Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Sorry but Sellars and Yoder both moved... Our bad. But that wasn't what was called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwoody86 Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Right, not to mention the fact that it is NOT illegal to have two players moving at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted September 9, 2007 Author Share Posted September 9, 2007 Sorry but Sellars and Yoder both moved... Our bad. Thanks for not reading. Sellers moved AFTER the Dolphin defender committed encroachment. It's like any dead ball play, you don't go calling plays on defenders for being offsides after a guy false starts. The call was made on Yoder. ON YODER. If it was a motion call it would have been called on SELLERS (second one moving) for ILLEGAL MOTION. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdlives Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Definitive bad call. Sellers did not move until the Dolphin player came across. At that point it was a natural reaction. If that player had continued moving hew would have run right into Sellers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinthemboys Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 It was pretty clear to me that the refs really ****ed up on that call. It was clearly offsides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted September 9, 2007 Author Share Posted September 9, 2007 I agree as you stated the play. I'm not sure if Taylor came across BEFORE Sellars moved. That's my only question. I have to go back and watch the play again. Potato Sack said he TIVOd it and that the defender was across and contacting the offensive line before Sellers moved. The fact is, it never should have come to Sellers. The Dolphin defender was moving so fast, they usually call the penalty and stop it before the QB gets leveled on encroachment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 I'll have to watch it again, but on the replay, Yoder was already moving when Sellers also moves. I think that's what we were called on. We won, so I not gonna gripe too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUSkinsFan Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 and lets not forget the blown offsides call that probably cost us a TD and Jansen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegr8est Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 it was obvious by design that the play was to draw the defense offsides, but he did not flinch or move forward. what a crock that he went in motion to abruptly...... i think they (the refs) make ***** up as they go along. I would love to see the rule that covers that call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinthemboys Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Ive watched it three times now. The refs blew the call. It was offsides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 That was a horrible call. That play is designed to get the D to jump so it's obviously legal motion. That's all that needs to be said about that. The refs were bad (both ways) today. They screwed us a couple times and also screwed the Dolphins a few times too (off the top of my head, the intentional grounding call vs. Green was bad...the TE was out for a screen pass). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Money Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 I'll have to watch it again, but on the replay, Yoder was already moving when Sellers also moves. I think that's what we were called on.We won, so I not gonna gripe too much. Thats what I saw, and seeing the replay I didn't see Taylor anywhere nearly as bad as some of you guys. And believe me I pissed and moaned enough... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpfan Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Yep. We had some bad luck in this game. I see the pontential to play MUCH better in the future. The errant passes, dropped passes, dropped ints, and bad calls arent going to come together to haunt us every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUSkinsFan Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 That was a horrible call. That play is designed to get the D to jump so it's obviously legal motion. That's all that needs to be said about that. The refs were bad (both ways) today. They screwed us a couple times and also screwed the Dolphins a few times too (off the top of my head, the intentional grounding call vs. Green was bad...the TE was out for a screen pass). the grounding was a legitimate call, there was NO ONE in the area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzmuda Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 It doesn't matter how many guys were moving if the ball wasn't snapped. You also have 11 guys moving when you break the huddle. That was a shift that the skins ran in pre-season that was ruled a shift. We have the same play ruled 2 different ways. What people are confused about is that you can't have 2 guys moving at the snap, or have 2 guys moving before the snap without having them both set for at least 1 second before sending another guy in motion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.