Ghost of Posted September 9, 2007 Author Share Posted September 9, 2007 I'll have to watch it again, but on the replay, Yoder was already moving when Sellers also moves. I think that's what we were called on.We won, so I not gonna gripe too much. Pete, I know we won but I felt like we had a decent game from the refs until we hit crunch time. If the call was on an illlegal motion, they would have called it illegal motion. Instead they called it false start on Yoder for "abrupt movement." Basically, it was a CYA for refs because they decided they didn't want to call a penalty on the Dolphins for encroachment. It's real simple, illegal motion happens all the time. If that's what it was, they would have called it that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD Riggo Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Bad call! So was the uncatchable PI call in the 4th quarter against the Skins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Now, I had a few beers this afternoon, but I think it was the right call. If you are going to shift, you have to be off the line of scrimmage. Yoder wasn't. He should have backed off a yard - and then shifted. I think. My BAC is about .14 right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwoody86 Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 the grounding was a legitimate call, there was NO ONE in the area No, because one of the necessities for it to be intentional grounding is the QB has to be under pressure. No one was within 5 yards of him. That was a blown call in our favor. (This is why spiking the ball is legal). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUSkinsFan Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 My BAC is about .14 right now. So were the Ref's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcarey032 Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 I almost had to go out and buy a new television after that call. It was absolutely disgraceful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskin4ever Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Bad call! So was the uncatchable PI call in the 4th quarter against the Skins. The PI call was the worst of the game. First, that wasn't interference. Rogers didn't pull down, the receiver was actually using his arms to not let Rogers run past him. Second, the contact was at the 10, and the ball his 7 yards deep in the endzone. There was no way that ball was being caught. A bad call all around. Thankfully, the Phins imploded and didn't get a TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Gibbs just said he talked with the Refs BEFORE the game so they would be aware of the "no play" and he said the refs said the player "moved to quick" was why they were penalized we got hosed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskin4ever Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 I went to the NFL's website to lookup the rule. The explanation the Ref gave was correct. It is a judgement call, and I think he made the wrong judgement, but he did have the right call if that is what they thought happened. http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/positionofplayers Position of Players at Snap Offensive team must have at least seven players on line. Offensive players, not on line, must be at least one yard back at snap. (Exception: player who takes snap.) No interior lineman may move abruptly after taking or simulating a three-point stance. No player of either team may enter neutral zone before snap. No player of offensive team may charge or move abruptly, after assuming set position, in such manner as to lead defense to believe snap has started. No player of the defensive team within one yard of the line of scrimmage may make an abrupt movement in an attempt to cause the offense to false start. If a player changes his eligibility, the Referee must alert the defensive captain after player has reported to him. All players of offensive team must be stationary at snap, except one back who may be in motion parallel to scrimmage line or backward (not forward). After a shift or huddle all players on offensive team must come to an absolute stop for at least one second with no movement of hands, feet, head, or swaying of body. Quarterbacks can be called for a false start penalty (five yards) if their actions are judged to be an obvious attempt to draw an opponent offside. Offensive linemen are permitted to interlock legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haszard4 Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 There are a few, including Dierdorf, who seem to have some type of tunnel vision when it comes to this play.Yoder goes in motion, there was NO FLAG. Then Taylor or some other Dolphin jumps ACROSS the line (not just in the neutral zone, which would be allowed so long as he got back) and makes contact with the offensive line. At THIS point Sellers moves and they throw a flag. This was a bad call. It was NOT a legitimate call. It's like throwing a flag on the offensive players when a defensive guy jumps across the line, touched the QB. It is irrelevant what happens when the defense commits a DEAD BALL FOUL (which encroachment is, play cannot continue.) If the call was for Sellers' motion, it would have been called illegal motion. None of you who defended the call remember that atrocious call that cost us the Green Bay game in 2004? I was listening to Gibbs press conf. after and he said they went over this play with the Zebras before the game. the play is designed to draw the d offsides. I thought there was some bad calls in this one. but well take the w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Jones Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 The ref said "abrupt" movement as the violation not any kind of illegal motion. He was refering to Yoder and not Sellers. The ref was calling it for what it was an attempt by the skins to pull them offside. I don't like it or agree with it, but that was the call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUSkinsFan Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 I went to the NFL's website to lookup the rule. The explanation the Ref gave was correct. It is a judgement call, and I think he made the wrong judgement, but he did have the right call if that is what they thought happened. http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/positionofplayers Position of Players at Snap Offensive team must have at least seven players on line. Offensive players, not on line, must be at least one yard back at snap. (Exception: player who takes snap.) No player of offensive team may charge or move abruptly, after assuming set position, in such manner as to lead defense to believe snap has started. No player of the defensive team within one yard of the line of scrimmage may make an abrupt movement in an attempt to cause the offense to false start. But he didn't move abruptly, he went in motion and the miami player jumped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCRoughrider Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 "Abrupt movement" is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much of a judgement call. It's manna from the gods for a dirty official! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted September 9, 2007 Author Share Posted September 9, 2007 The ref said "abrupt" movement as the violation not any kind of illegal motion. He was refering to Yoder and not Sellers. The ref was calling it for what it was an attempt by the skins to pull them offside. I don't like it or agree with it, but that was the call. I do stand by what I said because all the apologists for the call mentioned Sellers NOT the movement of Yoder. But for me, I didn't think Yoder moved 'abruptly' at all and if they're going to do that, they can call that on just about every motion. Dolphins got bailed out on that one and the refs decided to punish the Redskins (via officiating lol) for trying to get the officials to give them an edge by possibly calling offsides/encroachment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattGeorge85 Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 NBA anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachingWinsChampionships Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Thats not a new play by any means and it was always legal before. Even worse, I remember about 2 years ago the Colts had a play where they had a tight end back up in his stance like he was pass blocking and draw everybody offsides...and they gave the Colts a first down. Abrupt movement my ass... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Yeah that was a shameful display by those referees. Nobody on our team MOVED FORWARD. So in that case the only thing you can call is illegal motion, but motioning two players at a time is illegal. Id say that was a royal screw up, but the call on the next drive was worse. Not only did Rogers NOT commit pass interference, it was 10 yards overthrown, and the refs NEVER discussed that? WTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatSkins27 Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 the coach just said in the post game that it was a daw them offsides play where we shift and he told the ref's about it before the game and the ref's said it was legal before the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatSkins27 Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 ever notice how the best ref's are in the games like New England and the Colts and the cowboys and the awful refs are for us and the texans and detroit lions?? Same for the play by play people on FOX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moondog Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 It was a bad call and Sellers should have put Taylor on his back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsn24 Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 There are a few, including Dierdorf, who seem to have some type of tunnel vision when it comes to this play.Yoder goes in motion, there was NO FLAG. Then Taylor or some other Dolphin jumps ACROSS the line (not just in the neutral zone, which would be allowed so long as he got back) and makes contact with the offensive line. At THIS point Sellers moves and they throw a flag. This was a bad call. It was NOT a legitimate call. It's like throwing a flag on the offensive players when a defensive guy jumps across the line, touched the QB. It is irrelevant what happens when the defense commits a DEAD BALL FOUL (which encroachment is, play cannot continue.) If the call was for Sellers' motion, it would have been called illegal motion. None of you who defended the call remember that atrocious call that cost us the Green Bay game in 2004? Exactly, if i was on here earlier i would have written the exact same. Sorry but Sellars and Yoder both moved... Our bad. Sellers moved after Taylor moved, yes Toder was still moving but taylor had already come across, so his movement doesnt matter. Period Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzmuda Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Just to clarify, illegal motion is not a dead ball flag. There can be no illegal motion until the ball is snapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOVA2Tampa Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Scoreboard 'nuff said... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phishisthegreatstuff Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 no it was the right call....sellers wasn't allowed to move there. What yoder did was fine, but sellers screwed up. They made the right call im pretty sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte51Coleman Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 no it was the right call....sellers wasn't allowed to move there. What yoder did was fine, but sellers screwed up. They made the right call im pretty sure. But the penalty was called on Yoder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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