G.A.C.O.L.B. Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 Here is a link to the story from The Daily Bruin which is UCLA's paper I guess. http://www.dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38960 Community responds to Taser use in Powell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- By Sara Taylor DAILY BRUIN SENIOR STAFF staylor@media.ucla.edu An incident late Tuesday night in which a UCLA student was stunned at least four times with a Taser has left the UCLA community questioning whether the university police officers' use of force was an appropriate response to the situation. Mostafa Tabatabainejad, a UCLA student, was repeatedly stunned with a Taser and then taken into custody when he did not exit the CLICC Lab in Powell Library in a timely manner. Community Service Officers had asked Tabatabainejad to leave after he failed to produce his BruinCard during a random check at around 11:30 p.m. Tuesday. Cont'd.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooka Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 If I get pulled over for a valid reason, I show my ID. If I cop randomly, in the middle of nowhere, demands my ID for no reason, then forget it. Yea, but are you going to refuse, or are you going to scream at the police at the top of your lungs?You start acting crazy and screaming at officers and they're not gonna react too nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raperry2 Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 shouldve showed his ID. DUH!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manleyistheman Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 And some of you would be the first little ****es whining had this kid done something Colombine-like.Where were the cops? Why wasn't he checked? I know, this concept called "authority", it's been hard for libs to swallow ever since the hippies popped up Nobody wants a cop around, unless their ass is in jeopardy So is that how it works in your delusional world Sarge? Guilty until each citizen proves his/her innocence? It is you that is the little ***** with your constant need to assert some sort of overcompensated "authority". Somebody must have done a real good job on your ass at some point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Judges Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 What are you all, sheep? The authorities demand to show your papers, and you comply like well-trained lackeys?Forget that. And no, the kid did not have it coming to him because he didn't immediately comply to the powers in charge. It is amazing how some of you brush off every abuse of power as the person "having it coming to them." All the lovers of Big Government... If they do not have a good reason to card someone, they do NOT most certainly have the power to further abuse the citizen because they did not comply with a questionably legal order to "show your papers." What, did we fight against the Nazis and oppose the Commies only to adopt their actions, with the weak willed supporters of authority are all willing to give into their power while proclaiming yourself to be "loyal Americans"? Pffft. You get in line with everyone else. Not me. Next step, turn in your firearms, for they need to be registered, too. Some of you are oblivious to the fact that one thing leads to another. Then, appear for the appointed work camp, and get on the work camp train. If I get pulled over for a valid reason, I show my ID. If I cop randomly, in the middle of nowhere, demands my ID for no reason, then forget it. I think being in the campus library alone is a good enough reason to demand student ID. It's not a public library. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 So is that how it works in your delusional world Sarge? Guilty until each citizen proves his/her innocence? It is you that is the little ***** with your constant need to assert some sort of overcompensated "authority". Somebody must have done a real good job on your ass at some point! Dude, when someone with a badge or some other kind of authority asks to see you ID, you show them your damn ID. Had dumbdick done this, things woudl have been fine. But no, he wanted to bow up and make a statement. This is the result Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baculus Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 If you act crazy, then yeah, you probably have something to you. But, for example, that woman that was pulled over in VA didn't act crazy. She asked why she was being pulled over, and when the cops refused to say, she said she didn't have to show her ID, as within her rights as a citizen. They promptly yanked her out of her car, pushed her around, searched her car, and when they found books on the Constitution and such, they wondered if the documentation as "legal." Some of you forget that this is supposed to be the "land of the free." Even in the name of security, when I think of this nation, I do not think of random IDing and searches. Maybe you do, but I don't. Comrades. And this has nothing to do with liberals, since many conservatives are appalled by the idea of random IDing and searches. I will not stand in the way of an officer merely doing his job, and "Serving and protecting." But I do not support mere heavy handness in the name of law enforcement. And the day it happens to some of you, it may change your mind as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manleyistheman Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 Dude, when someone with a badge or some other kind of authority asks to see you ID, you show them your damn ID. Had dumbdick done this, things woudl have been fine.But no, he wanted to bow up and make a statement. This is the result I'm not denying that he should had shown his ID. What you and I completely dissagree on is the idea that he got what he deserved and that "authority" can take any action at its own discretion. It does not work that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 If you act crazy, then yeah, you probably have something to you. But, for example, that woman that was pulled over in VA didn't act crazy. She asked why she was being pulled over, and when the cops refused to say, she said she didn't have to show her ID, as within her rights as a citizen. They promptly yanked her out of her car, pushed her around, searched her car, and when they found books on the Constitution and such, they wondered if the documentation as "legal." That's because the cop asked to see her ID. Again, much like this kid, had see just pulled out her licence, all woud have been good The cop didn't have to answer her question at that time. He asked to see her ID. That is where the **** stops. No matter what you say after that, unless it's "Here's my licence" is going to be wrong When she refused to comply, that was game over point for the cop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 That's because the cop asked to see her ID. Again, much like this kid, had see just pulled out her licence, all woud have been goodThe cop didn't have to answer her question at that time. He asked to see her ID. That is where the **** stops. No matter what you say after that, unless it's "Here's my licence" is going to be wrong When she refused to comply, that was game over point for the cop 4th amendment. unless he has a reason to take her ID, she isn't compelled to give it. if he can't give her a reason, then its as good as not having one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 Ah, here we go. It's always the leftist that, when confronted with authority, start squealing "Nazi" Actually Sarge, I remember pretty vividly when you and I had our confrontration in the past... that's exactly what you started "squealing". If you'd like.... I could recruit a few ES moderators to confirm it?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 Actually Sarge, I remember pretty vividly when you and I had our confrontration in the past... that's exactly what you started "squealing". If you'd like.... I could recruit a few ES moderators to confirm it?! As could I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeySkin Posted November 16, 2006 Author Share Posted November 16, 2006 It's Prison PlanetIt's a joke of a web site If Rupert Murdock owned it, then would it be legit enough for you? :laugh: Everything on that site has links to mainstream news. Their only agenda is the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 Son, what we have heah is a failure to communicate.... Unfortunately, I can only get the first 30 seconds of the video to load. I do think the commentary on that website is way overblown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 Son, what we have heah is a failure to communicate....Unfortunately, I can only get the first 30 seconds of the video to load. I do think the commentary on that website is way overblown. you need to see the whole thing. they kept tasing him after he was in cuffs, and he wasn't fighting. he just didn't stand when they told him to, so they continued to taze him. its an aweful thing,and if i remeber, illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 If Rupert Murdock owned it, then would it be legit enough for you? :laugh: Everything on that site has links to mainstream news. Their only agenda is the truth. You mean there's links to government documents that show 9/11 was an inside job? Please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyansRangers Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 Their only agenda is the truth. :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cskin Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 If they do not have a good reason to card someone, they do NOT most certainly have the power to further abuse the citizen because they did not comply with a questionably legal order to "show your papers." What, did we fight against the Nazis and oppose the Commies only to adopt their actions, with the weak willed supporters of authority are all willing to give into their power while proclaiming yourself to be "loyal Americans"? Pffft. Huh? WTF??? The security team was doing a random search of the library...asking for ID of the students to make sure they were indeed supposed to be in there. It's probably something they do on a regular basis as directed by the Department of Homeland Security. You do believe there are terrorists within out midst and enrolled in local colleges don't you? This kid didn't comply.... became confrontational... and got what was coming to him. Comply.... follow the rules and authority of those given the authority, in this case the security team, and there is no problem. Those screaming "police state" and wrongdoing by the cops are the first ones who cry "why didn't the security team ID this guy" when it's learned he communicated with terrorists and coordinated a devastating attack on the UCLA campus. You simply cannot have your cake and eat it too. Finally...it's obvious he's a whiny blame America bleeding heart liberal fully versed in the utilization of the race card to create confrontation and ultimately get his way. His remark about the "Effing Patriot Act" make it crystal clear he's an appeasing liberal brainwash subject from the Left Coast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyansRangers Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 You mean there's links to government documents that show 9/11 was an inside job?Please I still havent stopped laughing at the truth comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 I think being in the campus library alone is a good enough reason to demand student ID. It's not a public library. Agreed. In the campus library at midnight, there are two kinds of people. University people, and trespassers. The cops have a right to see which category the person is in. That said, however, when the person refuses to show it, then the correct response is "Then I'm going to have to ask you to leave. Now." If the person refuses to leave, then the officers have the right to use force to remove him (or to take him into custody for charges, if they feel like some more paperwork). But, they have the right to use the minimum necessary force to accomplish that "mission". If the person refuses to stand up, they don't have the right to draw and fire. Those tasers, like the night stick and the pistol, are for the officer's self defense, or the defense of civilians. They are not for "teaching a lesson" or for "showing who's in charge". One of the things I'm seeing in this thread that's just stunning to me is the number of people who're trying to appear studious or moderate by saying "I'll reserve judgement because we don't know what happened before the video". News Flash: The officer has the authority to use that weapon if the suspect is in the act of attacking the officer or someone else. In order to decide if this force was justified, that's the only question to ask: Was he attacking someone at that time? It doesn't matter if, 30 seconds ago, he'd pulled a gun, shot a student through the head, and then holstered the weapon. Once he holstered the weapon, the cop doesn't have the right to shoot him. It doesn't matter what he'd done before the video. It doesn't matter what he said about the cop's mother. It doesn't matter if the cops were searching for a rapist. Either the cop tasered him because the suspect was threatening an imminent assault. Or the officer committed assault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 I still havent stopped laughing at the truth comment Yeah, that was good for a chuckle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baculus Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 You have to remember why we even had the 4th amendment and our experience with British authorities. Authority, like everyone, tends to have mission creep. It starts with one intention and becomes another. We do have law enforcement because Man can be a pretty violent and vile creature, but we also have to remember that cops are men too, prone to such weaknesses as other men. Cops are not perfect - we have to remember that when they make mistakes. We also have to remember that when they step over the line as well. It is a tough, but needed job, but it does not mean that they have unlimited authority. NO ONE has unlimited authority. Remember, there is a reason why many conservatives oppose Big Government, because it tends to become a run away train. And this sort of "ID anywhere, any time, no questions asked" is the sort of issue that can become a runaway train. Of course, folks don't care if it doesn't happen to them. One cannot profess to be against Big Government, but then turn around and support government coercion at the same time. Let's have a little bit of consistency here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyansRangers Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 PrisonPlanet and Alex Jones are supporters of Tom Cruise against the Brave New World.. http://libertytothecaptives.net/prison_planet_tom_cruise.html yea... the truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeySkin Posted November 16, 2006 Author Share Posted November 16, 2006 Yeah, that was good for a chuckle Believe what you want... I still haven't stop laughing about how you got OWNED by Die Hard you hypocrite :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 LOS ANGELES — A UCLA police officer shocked a student with a stun gun at a campus library after he refused repeated requests to show student identification and wouldn't leave, police said. The student, Mostafa Tabatabainejad, was shocked Tuesday at about 11 p.m. as police did a routine check of student IDs at the University of California, Los Angeles Powell Library computer lab. "This is a long-standing library policy to ensure the safety of students during the late-night hours," said UCLA Police Department spokeswoman Nancy Greenstein. She said police tried to escort Tabatabainejad, 23, out of the library after he refused to provide identification. Tabatabainejad instead encouraged others at the library to join his resistance, and when a crowd began to gather, police used the stun gun on him, Greenstein said. Tabatabainejad was arrested for resisting and obstructing a police officer and later released on his own recognizance. He declined to comment Wednesday night. The incident was recorded on another student's camera phone and showed Tabatabainejad screaming while on the floor of the computer lab. It was the third incident in a month in which police behavior in the city was criticized after amateur video surfaced. The other two involved the Los Angeles Police Department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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