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LOS ANGELES — A UCLA police officer shocked a student with a stun gun at a campus library after he refused repeated requests to show student identification and wouldn't leave, police said.

The student, Mostafa Tabatabainejad, was shocked Tuesday at about 11 p.m. as police did a routine check of student IDs at the University of California, Los Angeles Powell Library computer lab.

"This is a long-standing library policy to ensure the safety of students during the late-night hours," said UCLA Police Department spokeswoman Nancy Greenstein.

She said police tried to escort Tabatabainejad, 23, out of the library after he refused to provide identification. Tabatabainejad instead encouraged others at the library to join his resistance, and when a crowd began to gather, police used the stun gun on him, Greenstein said.

Tabatabainejad was arrested for resisting and obstructing a police officer and later released on his own recognizance. He declined to comment Wednesday night.

The incident was recorded on another student's camera phone and showed Tabatabainejad screaming while on the floor of the computer lab. It was the third incident in a month in which police behavior in the city was criticized after amateur video surfaced. The other two involved the Los Angeles Police Department.

om my god is this a different view

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MonkeySkin

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Tony and I have a little history. I don't know if you were around when the aforementioned incident took place. I can always look it up and tell you what happened afterward

Honestly, reading the things you say around here I don't really even consider you a human being and I'm not really interested :laugh:

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Maybe they check ID's to help prevent stuff like this

http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/news/articles.asp?id=34408

A calm and quiet Westwood was briefly disrupted Friday afternoon when the Los Angeles Police Department bomb squad inspected and detonated an explosive device found within the Midvale Plaza apartment complex on the 500 block of Midvale Avenue.

After responding to a call made at 11:13 a.m., the bomb squad arrived at 527 Midvale Ave. to find “an improvised explosive device” in the building’s open-air courtyard, said Grace Brady, a spokeswoman for the LAPD.

No injuries were reported, but authorities have been slow to release details about the incident and the device.

Residents said they first heard a small explosion sometime between 5 a.m. and 8 a.m. Friday, but most said they went back to sleep. It was not until a resident found an explosive device later that morning that the police were called.

Police cars, FBI vehicles, ambulances, fire trucks and parking-enforcement vehicles blocked access to the street, and police officers restricted nearby pedestrian traffic while the bomb squad inspected the device. About 15 people waited at the corner of Midvale Avenue and Ophir Drive until they were allowed to return to their apartments near where the explosive was found.

Neither the apartment building nor nearby buildings were evacuated, but Paul Robi, a detective with the FBI bomb squad, said the squad executed “a moderate evacuation,” which amounted to telling residents to stay off their balconies and in their apartments. Curious onlookers who stepped onto their balconies said they were immediately told to go back into their apartments.

Shortly after 1 p.m., the bomb squad remotely detonated the device. A low boom was audible for about a one-block radius, and several people who live across the street said they felt their apartments shake.

Beau Gillman, a second-year business economics student who lives across the street, said he heard shouts of “fire in the hole” before he heard and felt the explosion.

About five minutes later, police reopened the street to vehicles and pedestrians.

Most of the residents interviewed said they were aware of the situation, but they did not feel afraid or threatened. Most were surprised that someone would put an explosive in a Westwood apartment building.

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Honestly, reading the things you say around here I don't really even consider you a human being and I'm not really interested :laugh:

You were interested when it was just the "Prison Planet" side of the story. You know, the "truth"

Don't go run and hide now

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Anyone want to guess this guys religion? I didn't see this on the "Prison Planet" story

http://cbs5.com/topstories/local_story_320102734.html

Uproar Over UCLA Student Tasering

(CBS 5 / AP) LOS ANGELES Southern California Islamic leaders are calling for an independent investigation into Tuesday night's incident at the UCLA library where campus police apparently stunned a student with a "Taser" gun.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations urged "state and national authorities, including the FBI" to investigate the incident involving the 23-year-old Mostafa Tabatabainejad.

A camera phone captured Tabatabainejad being stunned repeatedly after he allegedly refused repeated requests to show his student I-D and would not leave a campus library.

Campus officials are investigating the incident.

But the American-Islamic relations group says an outside probe's needed to make sure the case's "civil rights aspects" are taken seriously.

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Agreed. In the campus library at midnight, there are two kinds of people. University people, and trespassers. The cops have a right to see which category the person is in.

That said, however, when the person refuses to show it, then the correct response is "Then I'm going to have to ask you to leave. Now."

If the person refuses to leave, then the officers have the right to use force to remove him (or to take him into custody for charges, if they feel like some more paperwork).

But, they have the right to use the minimum necessary force to accomplish that "mission". If the person refuses to stand up, they don't have the right to draw and fire.

Those tasers, like the night stick and the pistol, are for the officer's self defense, or the defense of civilians. They are not for "teaching a lesson" or for "showing who's in charge".

With you so far...but then you go on to say...

One of the things I'm seeing in this thread that's just stunning to me is the number of people who're trying to appear studious or moderate by saying "I'll reserve judgement because we don't know what happened before the video".

Actually, some of us, like myself, wanted to know the WHOLE story, which includes the initial actions by the officers and the student which were NOT VISIBLE on the video and/or occurred immediately BEFORE the video started.

News Flash: The officer has the authority to use that weapon if the suspect is in the act of attacking the officer or someone else. In order to decide if this force was justified, that's the only question to ask: Was he attacking someone at that time?

Again, we don't know. Maybe he WAS attacking the officers.

It doesn't matter if, 30 seconds ago, he'd pulled a gun, shot a student through the head, and then holstered the weapon. Once he holstered the weapon, the cop doesn't have the right to shoot him.

It doesn't matter what he'd done before the video. It doesn't matter what he said about the cop's mother. It doesn't matter if the cops were searching for a rapist.

Either the cop tasered him because the suspect was threatening an imminent assault. Or the officer committed assault.

You need a serious reality check. If a student was on a college campus, ARMED with a FIREARM, whether or not it was holstered, and whether or not they had allegedly shot someone, they would be ordered by the police, AT GUNPOINT, to lie down on the ground with their hands behind their head or spread out on the ground. They would then be handcuffed and the weapon secured by the police. Any failure to comply in full, or any attempt to resist or "get cute" with the cops at that point legally could be met with DEADLY FORCE.

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You were interested when it was just the "Prison Planet" side of the story. You know, the "truth"

Don't go run and hide now

Like MANY others have said in this very same thread, it's not ALL about the ID part of it. But you don't hear those things do you? :doh:

Sorry, but I don't think tazering his ass multiple times was called for.

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You were interested when it was just the "Prison Planet" side of the story. You know, the "truth"

Don't go run and hide now

And there you have, ladies and gentlemen, Sarge's definition of "the truth".:

Proof that, somewhere else in the same general neighborhood, there once was a crime committed. (Supposedly by somebody).

And evidence that suggests that the victim had an undesirable religion.

Comming soon: Revelations that he may have been an ACLU member.

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Like MANY others have said in this very same thread, it's not ALL about the ID part of it. But you don't hear those things do you? :doh:

Sorry, but I don't think tazering his ass multiple times was called for.

No, it's about the little guy standing up to authority, isn't it?

I'll show them!!

Seen this quote yet? It wasn't in Prison Planet either

"Here's your Patriot Act, here's your ****ing abuse of power,"

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Again, we don't know. Maybe he WAS attacking the officers.

While lieing on the ground, handcuffed, and while the officers were ordering him to stand.

Yes, he may have previously attacked the officers. To which, the appropriate response are felony charges and a long stay in the Reality House.

But again. If he isn't attacking anyone right now, then they don't have the right to attack him right now.

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And there you have, ladies and gentlemen, Sarge's definition of "the truth".:

Proof that, somewhere else in the same general neighborhood, there once was a crime committed. (Supposedly by somebody).

And evidence that suggests that the victim had an undesirable religion.

Comming soon: Revelations that he may have been an ACLU member.

Let's see. Muslims and **** blowing up. Hmmmmm

No connection there, huh?

Tell me again where you parked the squad car Det Tracy

Now do you understand???

I understand the cops are charged with protecting the campus. I understand there was someone on campus that refused to show their ID, rendering the cops unable to assertain whether or not this person beloned there

The assumption was made that he did not belong there. He was removed.

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Seen this quote yet? It wasn't in Prison Planet either

"Here's your Patriot Act, here's your ****ing abuse of power,"

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The video and the eyewitness reports describe multiple taser shots as Tabatabainejad begs and pleads while at one point screaming, "Here's your Patriot Act, here's your f---ing abuse of power."

It was right there in the first post from the article I posted :laugh:

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Guy should have left when he couldn't produce his ID. That's the school policy, he should follow it.

Guy seemed like he wanted to make a point, screaming that Patriot Act nonsense. I mean, we're talking UCLA rent-a-cops here.

Judging from what the video shows... well, why in the hell couldn't the cops simply pick the guy up and march him out? The last two times they taser the guy seem completely uncalled for and will no doubt cost them their jobs.

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Let's see. Muslims and **** blowing up. Hmmmmm

No connection there, huh?

Tell me again where you parked the squad car Det Tracy

I understand the cops are charged with protecting the campus. I understand there was someone on campus that refused to show their ID, rendering the cops unable to assertain whether or not this person beloned there

The assumption was made that he did not belong there. He was removed.

if it was as simple as him being cuffed and removed, there would be no problem. but they continued to taze him after he had been cuffed. there is no excuse for that.

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